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Because DC knows they can’t come up with anything better than the old stuff. I’m legit serious. If they reboot entirely, it’s probably gonna be embarrassing at this point for them.
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>>123101168 Yeah but making it not make sense is just a terrible idea, if you want to have a free grip just bring back the multiverse while maintain the main 52 timelines.
Arno Niem
American comics faced decline before; Marvel and DC looked to the UK for "talent" ... and that helped. Neil Gaiman has made things for DC (Black Orchid, Sandman, some Batman stuff) and Marvel, to name just one British creator.
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>>123101068 >What did they mean by this? they mean they don't care about quality control
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>>123101357 it's not too much capeshit, it's capeshit used to shove sjw agendas down your throat that turns people off
Anonymous
>>123101068 who cares, nobody reads comics for the plot anyways
plus comics are just an excuse for animation movies and video games to exist
Anonymous
Most manga is terrible on its own right, with samey characters and plotlines across each genre (shounen tend to be mostly the same, shoujo also repeat themselves all the time, and so on), character growth and evolution are usually a freaking joke, and their endings are generally the fucking worst.
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>>123101461 Those "SJW agendas" have been in capes before either of us were born and were just as in your face about it now as it was in 1939, 1983 or 1991.
Anonymous
>>123101357 >instead of churning out yet more capeshit, get new talent Two problems with that. The first is that capeshit is the most lucrative it's ever been, which makes DC completely unwilling to take any real risks with their IPs. You won't be getting any Sandman or Starman or whatever out of today's DC.
The second, America has more than enough talent to reinvigorate the superhero genre, DC just doesn't want to tap into it. Web talent is at an all time high right now, but DC seems really adverse to taking advantage of it. They're ignoring an entire generation of artists and writers.
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>>123101068 >another "muh manga" thread Thank you for this. Truly.
Anonymous
People don't want to read the same stories with the same characters over and over again,
Anonymous
>>123101357 I mean the best current running marvel series is the deadpool manga so I guess this isn't wrong.
Anonymous
>>123102480 >The second, America has more than enough talent to reinvigorate the superhero genre, DC just doesn't want to tap into it. It's not that simple. Marvel UK and Vertigo worked because they weren't part of Marvel or DC's process.
They had their own editors and writers. So it's not like American talent isn't good enough, it's that American talent would be stifled in the processing.
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>>123101068 >manga is much more cohesive in it's stories and usually have one straight forward story with a clear beginning middle and end This is not even remotely close to being even partially true.
Anonymous
>>123101357 >Marvel and DC looked to the UK for "talent" ... and that helped. Not sales-wise, it sure as fuck didn't.
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>>123101357 >there is too damn much capeshit No, there isn't. Only 2 companies make it. If there's "too much" of anything it's "sci-fi and/or fantasy WITH A TWIST", which has completely taken over indie publishers.
>methinks Oh, you're one of THOSE.
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>>123101357 >capeshit >methinks Anonymous
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>>123101068 Maybe they did this to make it easier to meet deadlines. If editors and writers can handwave any continuity issues away with this random ass everything counts excuse, theoretically it should be easier to pump out floppies on time.
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1. Manga writers are more devoted because they get to keep their intellectual properties.
Anonymous
>>123103389 7. Nobody is going to come alone 5 years later and ruin a manga's story by retconning in some nonsense.
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>>123103389 >Manga writers >writers As much as you faggots obsess over celebrities, 90% of comics buyers don't even look at the credits pages or know who any of the people that make that comics are. And they don't care either. People buy comics for the CHARACTERS and no amount of spamming "MUH FOLLOW CREATORS NO CHARACTERS" will ever change that.
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>>123101068 Manga sells better because it’s relative cheapness and format
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>>123103389 >1. yeah ask people how "devoted" the author of Bleach was before he was forced to end the story because he was a shithead. >2. no, but it takes you 60 years to read a story to the end. >3. Boruto says "hi". So does DBS. >4. Fresh copy pasta of other protagonists and antagonists, copying the abilities of other characters too, sometimes exactly. >5. Worlds which don't matter in the end unless it's One Piece which is literally about the world now. They are just stylistic choices meant to fit or look interesting. >6. Work themselves to death you mean, while being badly paid. And finally, your example is Berserk, which is awesome, but takes a year per chapter and will never be finished.
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>>123103155 British invasion ushered in the new era of trade paperbacks.
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>>123103155 It absolutely did. Comics from the British invasion are still big sellers today. How much has Watchmen sold?
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>>123104851 >>4 . Fresh copy pasta of other protagonists and antagonists, copying the abilities of other characters too, sometimes exactly.You would have to be in complete denial to not see this is even worse in Superhero comics
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>>123104851 I'm sorry I only read Seinen, so I have no idea what you're talking about.
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>>123104851 >>1 . yeah ask people how "devoted" the author of Bleach was before he was forced to end the story because he was a shithead.Guess who's getting another season, shithead?
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>>123105032 Where did I mention Superhero comics in my post? Thats right. I fucking didn't.
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>>123105165 Not Bleach. I don't care what you've read on fake news shit clickbait sites like Kotaku.
Anonymous
>>123104851 >6. Work themselves to death you mean, while being badly paid. Kubo Tite, net worth: $50 million
Source of income: Royalties
2020 taxed income: 86 million yen
How is this poor?
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>>123101649 >Most manga is terrible on its own right, with samey characters and plotlines across each genre (shounen tend to be mostly the same, shoujo also repeat themselves all the time, and so on), character growth and evolution are usually a freaking joke, and their endings are generally the fucking worst. And yet even a shitty generic isekai manga will push more units than a given comic series.
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>>123103129 A good majority of manga only get one timeline/story then end. Only series that make it big can do shit like Devilman and Dragon Ball where there's multiple manga with multiple continuities.
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>>123105290 Wow how does that shit even still make money.
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>>123104851 Now this is just embarassing cope.
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>>123104851 Berserk might actually finish at it's current pace.
HunterXHunter, Bastard!! and Guyver are all fucked though.
Anonymous
>>123105477 Does it? I don't even see the progress there in the plot. Doesn't help that I forget the last chapter after a year.
Anonymous
Doesn't Marvel freelance writers have to keep jobs on the side to afford rent? And they get no royalties or creative rights?
Anonymous
No, they just need to do the Shonen Jump format. Put a monthly/weekly collection in supermarket checkout lines. Also $4-$5 for a floppy is fucking insane.
Anonymous
>>123105574 Weekly Shonen Jump is 500+ pages for 270 yen ($2.5)
DC and Marvel charge more than that for 20 pages.
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>>123101068 Making everything canon is not the problem, the problem is shit talent.
Anonymous
Oh boy, it's another Disney/Marvel shills thread where they pretend marvel has done no wrong for years and is selling comics in the trillions. And the stories make super duper sense with no reckoning.
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>>123105235 lol you're so angry. You're cute anon
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>>123105843 >Redefining canon to make stories more accessible. Sales drop.
>Making everything canon. Sales continue to drop
Anonymous
>>123105574 A... anthologies don't sell! Even though you have to ignore that when comics were selling their best they were anthologies
Anonymous
>>123105756 >>123105574 American Comics are the worst entertainment value in the market. $5 for for 15 minutes for a slow-reading kid. Meanwile SJ probably takes hours for kids to read through. Kids would rather watch TV and play video games
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>>123105927 Keeping a consistent canon with over 80 years of content with hundreds of different writers and titles is a fools game . All I read from DC are self contained stories
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>>123105987 You don't think DC and Marvel have thought of that? Marvel's Editor-in-Chief went on a Twitter rant complaining about how comics aren't profitable anymore and how Marvel in due time will be solely a movie licence if fans don't start buying comics.
It's so desperate it's sad. But somehow manga is more popular than ever...
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>>123106015 WSJ is suppose to last through the week. There are around 27 chapters from different stories at a time. It's very popular with kids still.
Anonymous
>>123101068 Feels good to read from chapter 1 to 1013 and still makes sense.
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>get a subscription to viz for $2 and read hundreds of chapters of manga that update weekly >Go to a shitty comic shop and spend $4 on one single issue
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>>123106089 If Marvel can't find a way to make comics profitable then they deserve to die. Fans don't owe them anything and this isn't a charity
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The other path besides the Shonen Jump model is a TRUE service model, $10 a month with every new issue at publication, not 6 fucking months down the line. Kids have tablets, so Market the shit out of the app.
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>>123106139 Luffy won that fight. Donut boy can run back to mommy
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>>123101068 >One of the reason for this is that comparatively manga is much more cohesive in it's stories and usually have one straight forward story with a clear beginning middle and end But there are tons of western comics like this as well. Virtually all indie comics are this yet they sell way less than the perpetual stuff from DC/Marvel.
Anonymous
>>123106296 A lot of Dark Horse stuff is good, but there's no one to discuss it with like manga.
But I agree, DC and Marvel is hot garbage.
Anonymous
>>123106296 But nobody knows they exist because the accessibility of comics is shit. They usually need an adaptation to get noticed like The Walking Dead or Invincible
Spider girl fanboy !0xgiqCKp4o
Anonymous
>>123101068 Books should come out every two weeks. A month is too long and the quality of most comics doesn't justify the wait
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I wanna make a brand new Spiderman outside the main universe
Spider girl fanboy !0xgiqCKp4o
Anonymous
>>123106471 >>123106623 Go shill your channel elsewhere.
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DC needs to fire everyone, close down its american offices, and outsource the comics to european and japanese artists.
Anonymous
>>123106367 >But I agree, DC and Marvel is hot garbage. I never said that. It's actually most western "indie" stuff that's hot garbage which is why it sells so little. How many high selling books have IDW had recently? TWD, Saga and Invincible are really it.
>>123106391 Invincible and TWD were already hits before they got adaptations though. However they're the exception. This isn't a long running vs defined beginning, middle and end thing like OP is trying to paint it is. The west and Japan are just completely different markets. It'd be like trying to argue that since the perpetual Disney comics sell insanely well in Europe, higher even than manga in Japan, that Japan should switch to that format.
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>>123105863 Marvel's gay but this is just blatent retardation.
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>>123106491 I don't it will work, Some artists have problems with a monthly deadline.
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The Linearverse is just an excuse for editors to not do their jobs
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>>123102778 only boomers can make that argument, how can a kid or some zoomer say he's read the same story over and over again when he's read like 3 comics and watched one show
Spider girl fanboy !0xgiqCKp4o
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>>123106649 >Mad at evidence Lol
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Just make better cartoons since they're usually self contained or at the very least nowhere near as expansive with dcau vs comics
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>>123103471 The original manga writers do that themselves.
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>>123101068 The other big factor is that manga isn't pozzed. They don't have nepotism for diversity hires that don't sell books but still get new titles. They also don't show contempt for their consumers every chance they get.
Anonymous
>>123101649 How many manga have you read?
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>>123104851 >no, but it takes you 60 years to read a story to the end. Not really. Not even the longest running manga would take that long to finish
>Boruto says "hi". So does DBS. Not the norm and most people don't consume or like Boruto
>badly paid. You're confusing mangaka with sweatshop animators
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>>123105432 Still separate shit. The original saga is perfectly accessible.
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>>123101068 >DC comics desires to double down and make literally everything canon Are they just pulling a Marvel sliding timescale now? How do the multiverse crossovers and reboot events fit into this?
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>>123108934 >DC: Whatever... That's how it works, everything is canon.
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You would never see this in manga. As long as the western industry doesn't fix this they're doomed to fail further
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>>123108934 As far as reboots go, the heroes know that for a time they didn't remember their full history.
They haven't dealt with the multiverse stuff yet, although it'd only be an issue for Pre-Crisis worlds (Earth 2, Earth S and such). They haven't explained how those fit with the current continuity.
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>>123108853 Boruto and Super are just straight sequels aren't they? That's not the same as having 7 Batman comics running at the same time
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>>123104851 Boruto doesnt exist
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>>123105477 >Bastard!! Holy shit, someone else knows that exists
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>>123105477 Fucking Hajime no Ippo still releases weekly and that's not even close to finishing even after 32 years
Anonymous
Japan is going to make those egocentric SJWs learn the hard way their bullshit won't fly.
Anonymous
>>123101068 >Help me! I can't get into comics because its not a cohesive story! What a lame excuse. You can literally start from issue 1 and go from that point onwards using a reading guide. I've been reading X-Men like that, you just start at issue 1 like you would anywhere else.
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>>123110658 >You can literally start from issue 1 You do that with manga.
With comics, you then have to ask, ok WHICH #1? Do I want Rebirth WW? Or New 52? Or is it Perez or 2006? That's really just the entry point. If you need to further break out a guide, it's already a losing battle.
Anonymous
>>123110904 Read the oldest issue, damn.
>Should I read Superman #1 from 1939 or Superman #1 from 2019? I don't know which one is the original starting point! There are better criticisms than the whole "issue 1" thing
Anonymous
>>123110978 im not sure why your trying to at like thats not a legitimate issue that westerns comics have.
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>>123111145 Knowing where to start isn't that big of an issue, everyone knows where to start. You start with the first comic, it's simple. The biggest issue is that, since there are a bunch of different writers and artists writing for one character, it can lead to runs with vastly different qualities. This probably the big problem manga fans have with comics, not that issue 1 stuff. It can sometimes be annoying to real comic fans too as we have to read shitty stuff just because it is part of our character's lore. Occasionally having shitty people do work on your character is probably what scares some people away
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>>123101068 There actually was a Joker Manga Recently
Anonymous
Anyone up for raiding the Dragon Ball Super thread on /a/ with Ben 10 posting?
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>>123101649 Sounds to me like you need to diversify your reading.
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>>123111518 One Piece is on break this week, raid the One Piece thread.
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>>123101068 It’s why I pretty much only buy comics that are self contained, or at least mostly so.
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>>123101068 >Manga good! >DC & Marvel bad!! Great thread.
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>>123105987 >Even though you have to ignore that when comics were selling their best they were anthologies And now anthologies consistently sell like shit. What's your point here, that you're an idiot who can't see that the market is fundamentally different sixty years later?
Anonymous
>>123101068 Chainsaw Man Volume 1 is the greatest superhero comic of the 2010s
Anonymous
>>123110978 >starting with Superman #1 instead of Action Comics #1 This shit is so confusing even you got it wrong, thereby proving the point.
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>>123110904 >You do that with manga. Depends on the manga. There's countless series that reboot, do sequels, spin offs, retellings, etc. where you have to wiki that shit to know what the hell is going on. Look at how many separate series something like GTO has now. Or Gundam. Or Devilman. Or Sailor Moon. Or Lupin III. Or Attack on Titan. Or Fate/Stay series. Or Fist of the North Star. Fucking Naruto has multiple spin offs now
Anonymous
>>123110978 But superman #1 isn't the first superman issue, action comics #1 is.
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>>123112929 >>123113004 Kind of how the first Spider-Man issue isn't Amazing Spider-Man #1 but Amazing Fantasy #15
Or how with Thor you start with Journey into Mystery #83
How the fuck do you expect someone to know this without guides?
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>>123113068 People don't buy single issues from sixty to eighty years ago, you fucking moron.
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>>123110978 >>123113138 >Read the oldest issue >PEOPLE DON'T START AT THE BEGINNING YOU FUCKING MORON I see.
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>>123104851 It's not uncommon for manga and light novel authors to be involved in adaptations of their work.
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>>123113174 People buy collections that conveniently collect old issues under its covers, you subhuman troglodyte.
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>Detective Comics Comics >No detective comics
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>>123112957 Some series do get complicated although the worst ones that you listed are because they were not originally manga. Even when they have spinoffs, with the vast majority of manga you can google the name of the series and volume 1 and 90% of the image and shopping results will be what you are looking for.
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>>123113326 >with the vast majority of manga you can google the name of the series and volume 1 and 90% of the image and shopping results will be what you are looking for. And same applies to comics
Anonymous
>>123113263 What are you even arguing at this point?
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>Japan >manga business is cut throat and it doesnt give a shit about gender or politics, it's all about making entertainment that sell >this means that everyone competes on the ground level, even famous creators have to compete against newcomers to get their stuff published and for their stuff to keep being published >mangas that succeed gets exported overseas, animes and other deals to make it even more popular >a good story will always rise above the vast amounts of garbage to reach a mainstream international audience >Modern comics >it's not about quality but it's all about what political view you're pushing and who you know >surprise! Manga outsells comics
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>>123113383 >Japan has no politics or gender issues addressed! >That's all western comics do!! Talk about a strawman.
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>>123113510 Tell me more about the Japanese version of Snowflake and Safe Space
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>>123113686 Snowflake and Safeplace aren't real, brainlet. Their fucking names are Snowflake and Safespace, how retarded do you have to be to think that those two characters were made sincerely. The comic never released, the characters were made as a troll and it gave Marvel some extra publicity with the troglodyte crowd for a bit
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>>123113736 What an absolute cope
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>>123113820 Do you really think that someone unironically named their diverse POC teen superpower "Snowflake"? Not only that, they named his sister fucking "Safespace". You think this happened earnestly without a shred of irony?
Anonymous
>>123113686 So, what, an ice themed character and someone with a force field? Or do you mean character names that trigger you because waaaaaah they're descriptive?
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>>123113852 Yes. It is perfectly in line with the stupid stuff they do.
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>>123113852 And exactly what is wrong with those names?
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Why so many people try the "yeah well manga is good but they work themselves too hard" argument?
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>>123110658 >Need a fucking reading guide to follow a series I dont know how brainwashed you gotta be to think like this
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>>123113912 STOP BUYING MANGA BUY BAMHAM
HE'S FIGHTING THE DARKNESS THAT GIGGLES AND DESTROYS ENTIRE UNIVERSES ISN'T IT COOL
TELL ME YOU CARE ABOUT BAMHAM
Anonymous
>>123113925 How do you follow the endless crossover stories without reading order guides? You need to step away from your decades of experience and think about it from an outside perspective.
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>>123113948 You buy trades. If you're in the 1% who buys just single issues, the comic says which book it continues on and you can just google it if you can't figure it out. You're making it out to be more difficult than it really is.
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>>123113948 collected comic book omnibus are cheaper than buying whole manga collections
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>>123110658 >1 and go from that point onwards using a reading guide This is the problem retard. People don't want to get bogged down with a bunch of events and crossovers
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>>123114106 Yet the general population prefers manga to western comics for this reason among many, you cannot dismiss it simply because you have decades of experience and don't have the problem anymore.
>>123114118 >$120 for 800 pages Yeah no, manga is much more bang for your buck than that.
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>>123101068 >One of the reason for this is that comparatively manga is much more cohesive in it's stories and usually have one straight forward story with a clear beginning middle and end. Anonymous
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>>123101068 Why does everybody seem to forget that everything already was canon for most of DC's history? It was only a few years ago that they had changed that..
Anonymous
>>123112851 They sell like shit because they're full of Z list losers.
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>>123114160 >Yeah no, manga is much more bang for your buck than that. It's usually over 800 pages also it's not a manga collection can go for over 300 dollars it's just not worth it compared to an omnibus
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>>123114106 >buy a tpb of Amazing Spider-Man numbered volume 1 >it's still got decades of continuity you need to know to understand what's going on and who all these people are That didn't work out.
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>>123113174 Hardly see the point since most of all the dc characters that we know now has been during post crisis.
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>>123113375 He's just lashing out because he knows this industry is fucked with no way out
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>>123114171 truth hurts uh?
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>>123114106 When it comes to big names, trades have a bad habit of naming themselves after what story is in them rather than having any actual indication of where they happen in a character's timeline.
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>>123114186 >post crisis A normal person trying to get into comics doesn't know what post-crisis means. You're thinking with your experience again.
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>>123113383 >competition >a good story will always rise above the vast amounts of garbage to reach a mainstream international audience You can tell every single shill for manga on this board is doing so out of contrarian spite for the occident because there is no way in hell anyone still believes this.
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>>123114178 Okay so how much does buying all those Conan omnis run you?
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>>123114177 Shouldn't you be more interested in the stories than in the names on the cover? Have people forgotten that many of the current "A listers" started as villain of the week or joke characters? You represent the real problem in the cape industry, secondaries that don't want to read good stories, but just want more of the brand name on a shelf.
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Latest manga I read and spent money on is The Seven Deadly Sins. I like how Meliodas gropes Elizabeth without shame, I like how Elizabeth likes being groped, I like the fact the protagonist is white and blond, I like there's so many white people, I like the art, I like the flow, I like the action, I like the pervert humor, I like the female characters showing off their boobs and asses, I like the fair-skinned attractive cast. Why can't american comics offer the same? American comics don't offer anything I like, american comics can die.
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>>123114216 You still get more bang for your buck, hardcover, nice paper and colored pages, with self contained tales, I can also just buy one omnibus that is self contained that isn't a whole run and enjoy the story, I bought the two Silver Age Green Lantern omnibuses and it was way cheaper than any manga collection I've bought
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>>123114247 I hate colored comics. I like white and black like manga does it. Another reason why I don't buy western comics.
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>>123114218 Get fucked you self righteous cunt. You can pretend all you like that fans are in it for "Good stories" but we all know that's bullshit. The worst Batman comic will always outsell the greatest Firestorm story ever written. It's not "Secondaries" or whatever stupid term you want to use, it's the majority of comic fans being shit eating characterfags
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>>123114267 You sure showed him, anon
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>>123114267 The more you call me a faggot the more money I spend on manga
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>>123114266 >Get fucked you s that one hit a nerve I see. Secondaries are so fragile, yet all you will ever do to prove yourself wrong is buy more funkopops and insult me more.
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>>123114287 to each their own
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>>123114295 That's another copy of Boruto for my zoomer cousins
Anonymous
>>123114288 So no actual rebuttal then. Just a bunch of starwmanning
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>>123114266 >Firestorm Thank you for remembering.
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>>123114207 I think people overrate manga nowadays, I mean ya comics nowadays
>Though fine as shown here >>123106471 >>123106623 has dropped significantly in quality there is no denying that and people criticizing it and telling marvel or dc to improve on their shit, but sometimes there just feels to be just an obsessive grudge against comics, now if I were to shill for manga I wouldn't shill demon slayer or my hero academia or most shonen shit other than the old stuff like dbz, saint seiya, fist of northstar, devilman and shilling berserk and other seinen shit nevermind the fact demonslayer and mha can be cringe at times wouldn't recommand aot since aot screwed their ending.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Oo36rT7CKI&t=1764s Anonymous
>>123114247 You can't seriously pretend you can't buy 800 pages of manga for less than that single omnibus. I can get 500 page manga volumes for 15 bucks.
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>>123114337 I guess short manga but I was comparing long term by that logic I can find comics even cheaper than that are collected in trade.
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>>123114184 We can't help it if you're too stupid to put couple of seconds into looking at what you're about to purchase to make sure you're getting the right one.
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>>123114363 Anon, if we compare the number of pages you can buy for the same price there's no way western comics can compete. How can you even claim that?
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>>123114370 >just start at the beginning >NO NOT WITH THE OLD STUFF YOU RETARD >NO NOT WITH THE NEW STUFF YOU RETARD There's no winning this, every starting point is wrong.
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>>123114370 Insult the audiences that sure will induce people to buy your shit
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why are there so many of these threads today?
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>>123114403 Yeah this. The neurotic elitist dweeb has been a great image for comics!
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>>123114238 This post exemplifies the problem
american comics don't offer anything worth reading, americans write shit and then get mad when people don't want to read their shit
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>>123114388 Idk maybe it's because I seem to have an easier time fining omnibus collections that whole manga collections
Spider girl fanboy !0xgiqCKp4o
>>123114402 https://cmro.travis-starnes.com/character_details.php?character=61 There homework done.
For dc the characters the people have known and loved for years have mostly been from post crisis so start with post crisis and their starting issues.
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>>123114426 they used to be like that...
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>>123114388 He's saying he can get a completed story in one Omnibus. I see what he's saying but I still disagree and see Manga Omnibuses as more bang for your buck since even for a long running series like One Piece you can buy enough Omni's for the same price that cover entire sagas. You can cover the entire East Blue saga, 4 omni's, 2000+ pages for $60
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>>123114455 >need to check out some shitty convoluted website Meanwhile, I walk in at my local manga store, pick up Naruto #1, and I'm done
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>>123114455 And how is someone completely new supposed to know any of this? You're still not understanding the problem. An outsider doesn't know what "post-crisis" means, they don't know about your website. They're not going to put in all of that effort, so they're not going to get into western comics at all.
Do you understand?
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>>123113948 Your problem is that you have lived your entire life wallowing in shit anon.
"Oh it is not so bad, you just need to waddle through this part, then hold your breath for 30 seconds while putting your shoes in your head and doggy paddle through this one corner, put in another casual 30 mins of butterfly style and you are there". Most people would just choose to not step in shit in the first place
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>>123114402 >>123114403 I don't have to spoonfeed morons to a point where I have to hold their hand when buying a collection simply because they're so autistic that they have to start reading a comic from sixty years ago. You can start anywhere. Almost every single comic fan has started reading from something that wasn't the original #1 of the series. Nobody is putting a gun to your head and say read Amazing Fantasy #15, you are creating a arbitrary problem to whine how difficult it is. 98,9% of comics have next to nothing to do with what they were like fifty years ago when they debuted when compared to their current output, so the massive amount of continuity between doesn't matter. You will be explained most things within the story itself. Get of your soapbox, you whiny little fucks and just pick a comic and read it. That's how people did it for decades. Yet somehow today, when it's never been easier to read and find comics, you can't do that.
Anonymous
>>123114527 >That's how people did it for decades. Yet somehow today, when it's never been easier to read and find comics, you can't do that. That's because for decades that was the only option people had, but now they have manga and can just read that instead.
Anonymous
>>123114527 This is true, I picked a lot of Rebirth comics for the first time and I wasn't lost, everything was explained, the order was actually quite easy
Anonymous
>>123114207 Wdym? Shit manga dosen't get translated
Anonymous
>>123114527 >almost every single comic fan has started reading from something that wasn't the original #1 of the series And that's why nobody is a comic fan nowadays
Anonymous
>>123114550 Then go read manga and shut the fuck up. Nobody wants to hear your incessant whining when it's just for the sake of complaining.
Anonymous
Isn't manga only doing better because comics have a horrible financial structure? The entire comic industry is built around floppies, something that barely anyone buys. They are probably a couple of hardcore comic fans that have never read a floppy in their life, and they are what the industry is held up by. To increase floppy sales, publishers release a bunch of #1s to hopefully bring back the collectors and speculators of the 90s but its never gonna happen. Times have changed, floppies are obsolete, comics need to find a new financial structure because while relying on floppies may have worked in the 40s.. that shit is killing the industry today
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>>123114564 I started reading with Rebirth in 2016 and only really had knowledge of Flashpoint, as a newfag at the time I wasn't lost at all the #1, they neatly explained everything and it became its own story afterwards
Anonymous
>Try to read a book >But don't start at chapter 1 >We start at chapter 86 volume 5 >It is fine, everything will be rebooted in volume 7 anyway >Who is this random character who just jumped in the middle of the book like he knew everyone, you ask? >He was first introduced in another author's book >Just use wikipediaxdd >Yeah the quality nose dived in volume 10 because we changed author >Ohohohohoho variant collector covers ohohohohohohoho
Anonymous
>>123114551 I started with New 52 and wasn't confused either. I just understood that anything that was referenced happened in the past but even then it usually had a few panels showing whatever they were referencing . I feel the issue is that people think they have to start from the original #1 so they don't bother.
Anonymous
>>123114580 Anon I'm not whining, I'm explaining to you why people are choosing manga over western comics. Your attitude represents very well the attitude of the people in charge of American comic book companies and shows why they aren't adapting.
The audience is leaving and they are not coming back unless you can find ways to appeal to them.
Anonymous
>>123114583 >Isn't manga only doing better because comics have a horrible financial structure? The entire comic industry is built around floppies That's what manga does as well. The only difference in print is that English manga translations can just immediately put out the collected volume and cut the part where it's serialised, which happens in Japan.
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>>123114583 Ya, basically the comic industry is going through some form of evolution.
See
>>123106471 >>123106623 Anonymous
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>>123114600 SHUT UP SHUT THE FUCK UP YOU'RE A FUCKING PEDOPHILE
Anonymous
Yeah, manga is so great. I love waiting six years in the hopes that the mangaka will finally come back from hiatus to put out enough material for it to get compiled into another translated volume. And then hope the story eventually gets completed.
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>>123114583 holy absolute cope holy shit this is desperate LMAO
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>>123114631 That's your own fault for reading HxH
Anonymous
>>123114604 People like starting with the original #1 and like a story that starts and ends and doesn't change the characters turning them into shit they don't like
I don't want Batman as an emo or Batman as a villain or Batman as a black tranny activist, you make the character shit I don't read you
simple as that
manga is coherent and doesn't let parasites turn characters into fanfiction shit
comics are a pile of retconned fanfiction shit, that's why comics are dead
Anonymous
>>123114560 Nah, you'd be surprised what shit gets translated.
A good example being "Valhalla Penis Mansion" which is like the trifecta of shit.
Anonymous
>>123114604 >I sarted with a reboot so it's ok adults there have gond throught 3 reboots at least, zoomzoom, that shit doesn't help
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>>123114631 That is how it is with ongoing series. Game of Throne off the top of my head for example
I dont even understand why you complained about that
Anonymous
>>123114640 >I don't want Batman as an emo or Batman as a villain or Batman as a black tranny activist I hate that shit as well I just pick up what I enjoy, if batman is a crap I will drop it until a writer I like is back on it, is this concept so difficult?
Anonymous
>>123114631 That's much more likely to happen in western comics. Just look at Image. When was the last time an issue of Saga came out?
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>>123114641 If it gets translated that means it's good to someone, much better than your comic crap that wasn't good enough to attract that person's attention
cope and seethe you are shit
Anonymous
>>123114631 Name 20 manga where this happens.
Hard mode: No HxH, Vagabond, or Berserk
Anonymous
>>123114613 No, you're asserting a very narrow and simplistic reason as an explanation, when the issue is far more complex and nuanced. It isn't as cut and dry as "oh boo hoo it's too hard for me to buy the correct Spider-Man volume because the only way I can read something is if I go back to the 60s and spend a decade slowly reading through it in chronological order, so now I won't ever buy and read Spider-Man"
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>>123114315 >no rebuttal >Get fucked you self righteous cunt. >we all know that's >it's the majority of comic fans being shit eating characterfags You are just doubling down on being a secondary, you want to buy the hyped big brand, you admit it yourself twice in that post.
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>>123114646 Are you drunk?
Anonymous
>>123114661 I like manga because I can interct with other fans and find a common ground, what common ground do you find when you get called a nazi for not liking tranny Batman? It turns me off completely, I don't want to pick up your shit ever again.
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>>123114207 Ofcourse people eat up casual main stream shit, anon. You cant have everything be a masterpiece.
We do not count amateur-ish manga because we also not count self posted fetish deviantart comic
Anonymous
>>123114671 I know people who have that problem though and you acting like an ass isn't going to take that away. If you feel like you have something of value to contribute to this conversation I'm all ears but I seriously doubt you do.
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Marvel and DC dying would literally be the best thing ever for them and comics in general at this point, just put them to rest
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>>123114671 Too bad that's exactly what happens, I ain't going to waddle through shit to find a decent starting point, deal with it
Anonymous
>>123114683 Ok so read the classics, someone like Batman has millions of runs and self contained tales
TDKR
Batman Year One
Knightfall trilogy
Superman Batman Generations
DC New Frontier
Is this so difficult?
Anonymous
>>123114666 Well Satan from series I've read I got:
REAL, D. Gray-Man, Bastard, Glass Mask, World Trigger, Wandering Island, Emanon
Spider girl fanboy !0xgiqCKp4o
>>123114683 >what common ground do you find when you get called a nazi for not liking tranny Batman? Lol don't go on fucking twatter or any social media shit anon.
Anonymous
>>123114671 >It not THAT >what do you mean, I don't have to actually tell you the REAL problem lmao. You are the problem
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>>123114646 >New 52 >ZoomZoom Anon, New 52 was 10 years ago
Anonymous
>>123114701 >World Trigger Nigger, what?
Anonymous
>>123114699 Yes, how the fuck is someone completely new going to find these specific stories? How is someone who has never read a single Batman comic going to like reading Knightfall where Batman is replaced by a murderous psycho wearing EXTREME 90's power armor?
Are you sure this is good advice?
Anonymous
>>123114699 I don't want to read that shit
I like Naruto, I read Naruto. Why is this so difficult?
Anonymous
>>123114713 The author got arthritis or something, I remember reading about it.
No I haven't read any of those manga bcause I'm now a fucking weeb you retard
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is there a discord thing happening today, there a lot of people on the catalog talking about manga and blaming "sjws" and shit. i feel like this a discord raid or something
Anonymous
>>123114721 Because comic books are better written
Anonymous
>>123114703 >don't share what you love with others then what's the fucking point? Manga thrives on fan circles making doujinshi and fans sharing the love for their series, americans want to kill interest instead.
Anonymous
>>123114600 People read novel series out of order all the time when they aren't directly picking up where the last one ended. They watch movies out of order all the time. It's no different from comics where most things will not require intricate understanding of the previous 50+ years of publishing history. You choose to make this an issue for yourself out of laziness
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>>123114721 You're just being obtuse now
Anonymous
>>123114715 Imagine getting filtered by Azrael when you read edgy manga garbage
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>>123114721 why are you on /co/
Anonymous
>>123114735 No they are not. They are shit, if they were better written they would interest me but they don't, so they are shit.
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>>123114723 World Trigger is actively being released anon.
It's not on hiatus.
It's also extremely popular in Japan.
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>>123114736 Ya except twatter is infested with these people in both anime and (insert what ever interest) are in the first place, why would anyone go to twitter for conversation and rational discussion?
Anonymous
>>123114736 Anon, /co/ is social media where I talk about comics
Anonymous
>>123114747 Watchmen, Moore's Swamp Thing, New Frontier, Killing Joke, Green Lantern by Johns, All Star Superman, Superman/Batman Generations
All better than your shonen trash
Anonymous
>>123114762 and look how much love comics get huh
Anonymous
>>123114745 See this attitude? This is what turns people off from trying your superhero books.
Anonymous
>>123114770 all ugly shit, I'm still reading Naruto thanks
your trash can die
Anonymous
>>123114771 I don't need a hugbox
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>>123114663 Saga as a creative policy always took hiatus between completed arcs. It's a bad example. Look at how often something like Vagabond or Yotsuba updates these days. Welcome to the Ballroom took like a year off because the author was hospitalised. It's stupid to paint a picture that manga has no issues at all and everything is superior to western comics.
Anonymous
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>>123114757 And where do people go to discuss past issues before you stopped reading, anon? Don't say /co/ because we don't do that shit here.
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>>123114784 If that were true you wouldn't be whining here nobody reads your trash
Anonymous
>>123114691 And those people are dumb and have to be smacked in the face and told it's not that hard, stop being nitpicky and just read a fucking comic.
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>Like Comics >Like Manga >Like 2000AD and French comics Don't give in to hate /co/. There's quality to be found all over the world. This guy
>>123114778 is just b8ing or retarded. But never the less, isn't worth your time
Anonymous
>>123114792 Stop burying your head in the sand. There are serious problems with western comics, and those problems need to be addressed if the art form is to survive. Stuffing your fingers in your ears and telling all the weebs to go away is not going to make the garbage Marvel and DC are putting out now any better or more appealing to the general population.
Comics as an art form deserves better than this. Why do you run from this fact?
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>>123114778 Naruto is fucking shit, this is the shit I am talking about anything that isn't seinen is crap to most comics I read.
Shit man if you are going to shill manga at least shill for the good ones.
>>123114793 >Don't say /co/ because we don't do that shit here. Make a story time thread on it faggot.
Anonymous
>>123114807 You will never convince people with that attitude, and that is why western comics are losing ground. Do you lack self-awareness, or are you maybe able to comprehend this?
Anonymous
>>123114823 >WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHH I HATE YOU WHY WON'T YOU READ MY TRASH WAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH Naruto is better than all your trash
deal with it :-)
Anonymous
>>123114620 Mangas are not built on floppies at all. The big mangas usually get printed in with other mangas in this anthology book releasing every week. While floppies exist, they are far from being the backbone of the industry and usually after thoughts printed on cheap paper. Manga also has a big digital market, which comics also seems to following on luckily. Despite being reliant on floppies now, the digital streaming service of the future may bring salvation to the comic industry
Anonymous
>>123114818 Because everything has flaws I enjoy the stories I do and you can enjoy the stories you do, comics aren't doing great now but there's decades worth of comics I haven't read yet and I bet you haven't either, so I'll enjoy what I like and you can enjoy whatever you like
Anonymous
>>123114823 Naruto doesn't need to be shilled retard, it already made and is still making billions. It's already popular on its own merit. Can you say the same for the crap you desperately try to shill?
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>>123114855 You're running away from the problem again.
Anonymous
>>123114846 go back to /a/ or whatever gay ass discord server you came from, your clown act is getting lame
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>>123114704 It's cultural issue, people reading less in general, comics being considered childish, access in print being limited because LCS model and non-viability of buying individual issued in stores, transition to digital means you need specific apps for it, etc. It's complicated, which doesn't translate to "oh no, I am confused, that's why I will just complain rather than use Google for five seconds!" excuses by people who claim they just can't handle comics. It's really more that they just can't be bothered to do it.
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>>123114867 Sure anon, you clearly don't want my money afterall :-)
Anonymous
>>123114715 >How is someone who has never read a single Batman comic going to like reading Knightfall where Batman is replaced by a murderous psycho wearing EXTREME 90's power armor? But sitting down and reading it and judging it by the merits of the story, and not being a whiny prick.
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>>123114877 And by calling your prospective customer a whiny prick you have just lost another customer. Notice how this attitude doesn't help you?
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>>123114877 Being a whiny prick has worked out excellent for me, it has ensured I only read manga I want and I don't waste my time on trash comics I don't like at all, why should I change for the worse and get my time wasted like that? You're so disrespectful, fuck off.
Anonymous
>>123114877 Anon, what do gain by talking to him? He's a discordfag trying to get his rocks off by fuckin around on another board, just let him seethe in private
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>>123114846 >Naruto is better than all your trash I would name all the flaws of naruto and take a huge dump on it and the retarded bullshit right after the pain arc.
But first, I mean shit, Wolverine vs sabretooth is far better than the shit that culminated in naruto and that isn't even the best one in comics.
>>123114860 > Can you say the same for the crap you desperately try to shill? >Shilling comics in a comic board ???
Anonymous
>>123114910 >please read these shit comics my industry is dying >not shilling kek
>the rest of your post nah
your opinions are shit, keep seething nobody is reading your shit :-)
Anonymous
>>123114909 No I'm not. The state of western comics hurts me as well you know. Seeing the rare good releases like BWS' Monsters reminds me of how far we've fallen.
Anonymous
>>123114837 Those people would never read western comics in the first place because they're just giving wishy washy excuses as to why it's too "hard". If they had genuine interest they would put effort in finding what they want to read, they wouldn't complain it's too difficult to decide which they should read, volume 2. Deathstroke or volume 1. Deathstroke.
Anonymous
>>123114932 >keep seething nobody is reading your shit I'm reading it, son
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>>123114944 and still whining nobody else reads it
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>>123114852 >Mangas are not built on floppies at all. It's the same basic chapter per chapter serialisation shit in just slightly different format. Plenty of people never read the anthologies and just buy compiled tankoubons.
Anonymous
>>123114940 How has blaming the customer base worked out so far? Has it increased sales? I don't think it has.
Anonymous
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>>123114934 That's because you don't really read western comics and understand very little of how the industry works
Spider girl fanboy !0xgiqCKp4o
>>123114932 >>please read these shit comics my industry is dying Comics aren't going anywhere bub,
>>123114331 (also proving my point) despite it's varying quality nowadays but when compared to shonen shit and it's cringe dialogue at times is enough to be off putting especially when during some "inspiration speech" or the powa of friendship! And this isn't even getting to the endings that are generic as well.
Anonymous
>>123114965 Okay but if you seriously compare the great runs of comics Marvel had in the 80's to what they're putting out now, it's unrecognizable as the same company. The fact that manga is dominating sales is pretty much a given when the quality of American comics has fallen as low as it has.
This doesn't have to be how it is, but so long as you ignore all problems you will never fix them.
>>123114983 That's an interesting theory. Feel free to explain.
Anonymous
>>123114961 There is nothing tp be gained by bending over backwards to placate people who have to be treated like brain dead corpses with no ability to do anything that isn't done by a third party holding their hand all the way through the process
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>>123115001 >There is nothing tp be gained by bending over backwards to placate people who have to be treated like brain dead corpses Sure there is. Money
Anonymous
Anonymous
>>123115001 And this is why your sales are dropping, because you ignore potential clients' wishes and insult them.
Manga doesn't do this and that is part of why people buy it. I'm sorry it has to be this way.
Anonymous
>>123114997 >if you seriously compare the great runs of comics Marvel had in the 80's to what they're putting out now, it's unrecognizable as the same company That's largely because of cherry picking and forgetting all the garbage they were putting at the time. This is both nostalgia, and failure to understand that at any point in time, you're putting out a lot of pure shit. And quality is never consistent, it goes up and down all the time. It's really juvenile to pretend everything was great in year X and now it's all horrible. A lot of stuff doesn't hold up at all upon rereading it.
Anonymous
>>123115025 Marvel and DC go out of their way to placate people like that and they still refuse to read comics. They reboot and relaunch to make it easier and they still say no
Anonymous
>>123114990 >waaaaaaaaahhhhhhh why do people like manga and don't read my trash waaaaaaahhhhhhhh The fact that people love manga and not your shit proves you wrong
deal with it :-)
Anonymous
>>123115070 >reboot and relaunch Have you thought people don't want to see the same trite old characters being raped another way by another fanfic writer with a paycheck
Why do you think Invincible works? Because it's like manga, no rebooting no retconning no relaunching only a start and an end
Anonymous
>>123115050 I'm not pretending everything in the 80's was great, which is why I specifically said THE GREAT RUNS, not ALL RUNS. THE GREAT RUNS like Claremont on X-Men, Byrne on Fantastic Four, Gruenwald on Captain America, Mantlo on Hulk, you know the ones.
we don't have those anymore. There's nothing comparable to them. There hasn't been in a very ,very long time. Now all we have is garbage. But not only is it garbage, it's actually worse than before because the craftsmanship of comic creation is a dead art, we now have colors applied directly to pencils without inks so the pages are hideous to look at, we have boring compositions with no experimentation.
But I can tell I'm wasting my time with you so I'm going to leave this thread now.
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>>123115001 >if you don't pay me you are a braind dead NAZI recipe for success!
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>>123115092 I don't understand why you need runs at all, why can't Claremont write his own characters instead of stealing the X-men?
Anonymous
>>123115085 >Why do you think Invincible works? Invincible was a comic few people really talked about or cared until it became a cartoon. It had a following but it was hardly a major success or big comic outside of its moderate following. The main appeal is the violence, playing with cape tropes and fairly character focused singular storytelling.
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>>123115072 >The fact that people love manga and not your shit proves you wrong Just because a lot of people likes it doesn't mean it's good.
Why should I like naruto over this shit?
The only manga to rival comics in terms of quality and even surpassing them has mostly been seinen.
Anonymous
>>123115112 And no fanfic leechers trying to make Invincible a gay black tranny
Anonymous
>>123115121 A lot of people like it because they think it's good. A lot of people don't like your shit comics and think they are worthless trash but you can totally live without those people's money oh wait :-)
Spider girl fanboy !0xgiqCKp4o
Arno Niem
>>123102924 Exactly; Gaiman was allowed to do his own thing. Plan and write.
The big titles are planned by committee, the writers are given the storylines they have to follow. In part because crossovers are shoehorned in (often to try and promote 'guest characters').
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>>123115112 Personally I like Invincible because I know it won't be retconned as long the creators don't sell their ip. Same reason why I like Scott Pilgrim, no leech writer changing my beloved characters into shit. Then again it's americans we're talking about, best not get attached.
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>>123114738 >It's no different from comics where most things will not require intricate understanding of the previous 50+ years of publishing history Just because it doesn't require understanding the full 50+ years doesn't make it "no different" to follow as the average movie or novel series.
Anonymous
Anonymous
>>123115152 >The big titles are planned by committee what exactly is "planned by committee" these days because god damn I'm tired of writer swaps that keep retconing the former guy for the sole sake of "leaving their mark".
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>>123115121 if being shit was enough to sell, your capeshit wouldn't be on the verge of extinction. and yet here we are.
Anonymous
>>123115151 >shilling clickbait https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_manga The numbers speak for themselves,cope and seethe :-)
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Arno Niem
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>>123104968 The SANDMAN 30th anniversary edition books did very well and continue to sell. Don't see that happening with all those long running other titles; those just aren't all that memorable (and a lot of it aged rather badly).
Anonymous
>>123115124 Kirkman did that himself
Anonymous
>>123115203 >unlimited global publishing vs console-specific, year-specific shilling kek
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>>123115223 I still see white Invincible there
Spider girl fanboy !0xgiqCKp4o
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>>123115234 You were getting more shit how the game was going to fuck up the story yet it still sold like hotcakes.
Naruto is shit and so are you for defending shit.
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>>123103129 Show me the Zatch Bell reboot honey. Oh wait, you can't, it doesn't exist!
For the love of god, make a distinction, make a distinction between anime-firt shit like Gundam and VN adaptations like Fate from actual manga-first franchises by individual authors like Bleach and One Piece.
Anonymous
>>123115203 >Wikipedia >lists all the best-selling Japanese manga series to date, no limitations, tracks all units ever sold across the globe since the beginning of the series >your link >some dumb article boasting a game being popular at some specific time on some specific console next you're going to say you're the most popular guy in the room when you're alone
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Why are ESLs so obsessed with DC? There's like five threads about this with the same broken English.
Anonymous
I can't believe we're having a controversy about this when Kirkman's Invincible, the closest we get to a manga-like adaptation, it's like the most active recurring topic on this board.
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>>123115278 I ain't watching your youtube channel get a real job
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>>123115112 >Invincible was a comic few people really talked about or cared until it became a cartoon. Similar to most manga. They were popular but a lot of fans didn't get into until the anime dropped And since anime is usually 1:1 to the manga, unlike western cartoon adaptation of comics it's just easier to get into the manga after watching the anime.
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>>123115268 >Changes goalpost >N NEVERMIND look at all these mangas that sold very well over time. Nigga really?
Arno Niem
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>>123105551 If you don't own the IP, having set characters, set locations ... well, you aren't creating much writing copy for that.
It's kinda like with porn; the story really only serves to link setpieces in which (specific) characters face eachother.
Anonymous
>>123115309 >retarded faggot literally can't admit if a manga sells 250 million copies while nobody buys his shit the problem is him not the manga and that's why your industry is dying
250 million peopel >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you :-)
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>>123105551 >And they get no royalties or creative rights? They do now. Why do you think they use their own OCs every time they write or why Bendis is smiling from ear to ear
Anonymous
>Capeshit vs shonenshit the thread
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>>123115403 It's not americans, it's some shitposting gooks.
Anonymous
>>123115372 >Naruto sells 250 million original copies in 14 years of running, reprints are not counted by wikipedia >Superman sells 600 in 83 (eighty fucking three) years counting reprints and collectors editions LMAO
in 60 years Naruto will be in the billions :-)
Anonymous
>>123115092 >we don't have those anymore We do. Ewing is doing a great job with Immortal Hulk currently. Black Cat has also really done a lot to make Black work as a solo character. PAD has been putting out fun limited series one after another. Just because not everything is iconic and character defining run doesn't make it good. Those happen far and few between
Anonymous
>>123113383 japan could fix this if they do a todd mcfarlane on the company.
DC and marvel are fucked tho. it can't write good story for shit
Anonymous
>>123115455 why would japan touch that radioactive cancer
Spider girl fanboy !0xgiqCKp4o
>>123115428 Naruto would be irrelevant by then, how many people still remember devilman before crybaby? And gaiman (I think is his name) and his other creations like violence jack and a couple others?
Or cyber 009, captain harlock battleship yammato?
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>>123115471 why would japan make a competitor company?
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>>123115474 A shitton of people, especially in Japan and in Europe
not my fault americans are retarded
Arno Niem
>>123112957 Sir Terry Pratchett's DISCWORLD is a setting that evolved; there are a load of books, some of which form a series but most stand alone.
You could call some of them spinoffs - e.g. PYRAMIDS which only shares Ankh-Morpork' assasins guild (school) with other books - in effect.
Compare that with Marvel / DC; spinoffs don't get that freedom, the big characters and (main) locations are too influential usually.
Usually; in BLACK ORCHID by Gaiman Batman only plays a very minor part - an important part as his influence in his world counts; he doesn't actually DO anything. Thát is how it should be; use the big names sparingly.
Anonymous
>>123115474 Devilman gets reprinted every special anniversary, you're just ignorant like all ameridumbs
Spider girl fanboy !0xgiqCKp4o
>>123115502 >t they reprinted you muricans are dumb So irrelevant because most americans still don't remember what a fucking devilam is outside of Japan.
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>>123115446 >Immortal Hulk You know I'm trans, right?
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>>123115520 Japan and Europe know and remember, americans are just irrelevant shit just like their comics industry
Anonymous
>>123101168 >If they reboot entirely, it’s probably gonna be embarrassing at this point for them. It always sounds neat on paper but then you end up with shit like Superman in jeans.
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>>123115520 >americans are dumb and stupid >n-n-no it doesn't count because we're too dumb for it Pffffthahahahahahahahahahaha
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> be marica comic company. >make super far left brain dead shit >use that as tape to cover stupid storys and brain dead writers >hope retard saying "i'm the gay " over and over will make people buy your comic. >don't fix comic problems and if we do its just a reboot >reboot when its clogged >reboot when its dying >reboot when the story gets out of control. >be jap munkey >write story with a ending in mind >don't need to pick up any other stuff. just read 1# > writer is the mongo creator and the best is the one that stays >when its done its done. >reboot when story is done but its still the same story and same thing happening just with better animation
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>>123115183 DC and Marvel (and others, sure; look up Suske & Wiske - a series from Belgium - which has albums set in places ... the publisher makes deals about that [with a themepark or an airline] and then a writer has to churn out a story connected to it) are FACTORIES that plan for a certain number of publications; a bunch of those are interlinked.
So they have regular meetings in which the main storylines and 'special' events are decided for a number of months ahead. Meetings between the writers and MANAGEMENT.
This means that the flagship titles cannot help becoming staid; the individual writer has very little creative freedom.
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>>123115633 death to the west
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>>123115611 >be retarded anon when trying to shill manga >changes the goal post >thinks Naruto is genuinely good >Seethes hard against america for some reason >seethes at /co/ >thinks shonen shit is any better Anonymous
Japs sure do love to brag about their conservatism along with their childish comics and cartoons. Is it because everyone out does them by movie, music, television, video games, and even boy bands?
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>>123115667 kek you mad comic faggot.
>retard doesn't know about the big 3 >retard doesn't know what the big 3 is >retard doesn't know why the fillerking is part of the big 3 >seethes everytime a filler makes 10x more then their filler >thinks shonen is bad yet comics sell less then shonen cry more
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>>123115682 >video games But Japanese games dominate. Sony won the console wars.
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>>123115667 nobody changed the goal post retard, american comics made all their sales during the Gold and Silver ages, that's why Naruto took only 14 years to reach 250 millions while Superman the best-selling comic brand is still stuck at 600 after almost a whole century
Let's see in 69 years where Naruto is and where your shitty comics are :-)
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>>123115490 And people still always go “but where do I begin when there’s so many books?!?” with Discworld.
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>>123115611 >write story with a ending in mind I know this entire thread is just your daily east vs west wankery, but let's not just lie about nip authors having any idea how to end their stories. They are notoriously shit at it.
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>>123115704 >thinks shonen is bad yet comics sell less then shone Yes and they are hilariously bad or cringe.
Cry moar.
>>123115715 >nobody changed the goal post retard You did, but what do I know anon you are probably mentally handicapped.
>Superman the best-selling comic brand is still stuck at 600 after almost a whole century It was 500 not to long ago anon...
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>>123115760 being shit at it doesn't stop it from ending. once its over its over
You won't see a reboot that has the hero go back in time like comics and redo the same old shit for 50 years.
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>>123115715 If reprints sell lower than the original run, Naruto will be at around 1 billion units sold in 2090
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>>123115773 nope nobody did you're just retarded
>It was 500 not to long ago Sure thing boomer
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>>123115773 >Yes and they are hilariously bad or cringe. >shonen is selling 3 times more then comic. >nobody shuts the fuck up about manga, but that one retard opinion about shonen being bad has to be right causes comics proof comicfags taking the L for to long rotted the brain.
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>>123115712 I thought we were talking about sales not shitty opinions and feelings smalldick.
Microsoft doesn’t even consider Sony a threat. Google is the future of video games.
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>>123115815 >it makes more money therefore it's good So is last of us 2 good anon?
For fuck shakes I can shill manga far better than you faggots.
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>>123115773 >make 499 millions in the period going from 1930s to 1970s (40 years, golden age and silver age) >die off completely after that >b-b-but we were relevant in the forties!! Anonymous
>>123101461 Sure, there are a lot of examples out there of comics being used as means to showcase social problems, but those were obviously way better execution-wise & way less obnoxious. You just can’t deny that.
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>>123115611 >with better animation No.
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>>123115850 >TLOU2 which is more western comic feel is being lumped in with manga a culture that says if the manga story isn't good it won't sell are you just bad faith and retarded?
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>>123115850 the last of us is popular on all platforms across the globe all the time? I don't think so nigger
Spider girl fanboy !0xgiqCKp4o
>>123115856 >>make 499 millions in the period going from 1930s to 1970s (40 years, golden age and silver age) It hits 499 million around the mid 2000's.
Lmao
Man you faggots trying way to hard.
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>>123115760 Bleach ripped my god damn heart out with its magic arrow bullshit near the end.
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>>123115878 sure it did boomer
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>>123115871 >the last of us is popular on all platforms across the globe all the time? I don't think so nigger Hey according to you if it sells that means it's good.
>Yes shonen is fucking shit if you are going to shill manga go shill for berserk, vinland saga or kingdom and you would have a point Anonymous
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>>123101068 they dont want to make new characters. thats all. sjw characters are win-win characters in a way for both lazy cowardly editors/higher ups and talentless sjw writers
Anonymous
>>123115921 tlo2 selling more than other titles one time does not mean it sells
manga sells more than comics constantly, everywhere on earth
are you too stupid to understand this difference anon?
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>>123115939 >manga sells more than comics constantly, everywhere on earth N-nO iT-It DoEsN't. Mmmmmmmm-My cumic SELL MORE CAUSE TLOU2 DID AND THATS A COMIC...OK LETS COMPARE DEADPOOL....THATS SELLING WELL AS A MANGA IN JAP..OK SUPERMANS REBOOT IS SELLING WELL AND SNOWFLAKE IS MY FAV CARETHER
I'M NOT A BRAINDEAD RETARD I SWEAR
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>>123115863 Anyone with a functioning brain who did a minimal amount of actually reading old comics would dismiss such a claim out of hand.
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>>123115975 >>123115939 >used a link of total overall sales of manga >Has comic sales that over top manga overall >Think manga sales=good quality even though mangas like berserk which doesn't sell as much is far better than 95% of shonen shit >genuinely thinks naruto is good. Anonymous
>>123116036 your right anon. that explains why comics are struggling in merica. its cause its selling well
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>>123116067 i'm not watching your video you spent hours on anon. stop shilling a 92 liked video you made
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>>123116036 >comics in your link total 1.900 millions units sold listing comics printed since 1938 >the manga listed at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_manga total 3.344 million units sold with series starting in 2016 and still ongoing americans can't into math
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>>123116105 Demon Slayer made 150 millions in 4 years. Daaaaamn.
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>>123116171 Yeah it's kind of unbelievable how people will really gravitate towards things they enjoy
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>>123116171 Jap people worried the manga would be cancelled in 3 months just few years ago and then it’s the biggest Shonen manga ever.
Crazy times, man.
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>>123110904 this. With manga it's simple as can be
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The last of us is self-contained.
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>>123115223 I dont see the point you are trying to make here that was already explained on the comics. Mark was the main point of the whole run.
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>>123116105 and that's only counting the series that made at least 100 million copies and above
count goes even higher if you count all series that made at least 20 million copies or more, we enter like tens of billions here
manga STEAMROLLS comics
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It was pretty cringe when dc and marvel tried to make manga/weeb style comics in the 00s
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>>123117286 only one westerner ever made a successful manga and it's a french weeaboo who did it EXACTLY like the japanese do
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>>123114207 >competition >a good story will always rise above the vast amounts of garbage to reach a mainstream international audience this is litterly true tho
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>>123117320 how did he do it?
why does some random french weeaboo understand what makes manga good better than the entirety of the american comics industry?
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>>123117320 I read two volumes today. Hard to believe this mediocre weeb comic got an anime
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>>123105477 >HunterXHunter this was finished after greed island
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>>123117415 its very popular here in europe. we grow up with them, even more than american comics
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>>123101068 >One of the reason The only real reason is that at the height of American Comics' popularity it was Censored like all hell, losing all of it's momentum, Marvel nearly went bankrupt, had to sell film rights just to stay afloat. Manga and American Comics are pretty much the same quality if you know where to look.
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>>123119265 >Manga and American Comics are pretty much the same quality if you know where to look. Meanwhile in the Manga Stockmarket...
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Reminder that quality is irrevelant, capeshit isn't dying because is worse than before, capeshit has always been bad, capeshit is dying because is expensive as fuck, floppies are a terrible format and one of the most expensive forms of entreteinment. Floppies need to die for capeshit to live. Fuck floppies, fuck trades, fuck Israel and and fuck LCS
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>>123108983 You'd be cumming buckets if Superman endorsed Trump on the cover of a comic.
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>>123119706 Superman will never endorsr any right-wing politician in the story of ever, the american media is pozzed to the ends of Earth, so why we're discussing this like it has the slightest chance of happenning?
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>>123101461 Because the only people who would willingly work on comics today is someone who wants to push an ideology.
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>>123106391 >. They usually need an adaptation to get noticed like The Walking Dead or Invincible Just like manga!!
But seriously, why there are so few adapatations of comics with clear beggining and ends?
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>>123119734 Superman used to take orders from Ronnie
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>>123119706 It would call atention to the disaster that is being so openly political.
Like, this is not a art published on the artist's social media, its the actual work.
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>>123118971 He was too based and weeb.
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>>123112957 At least the fact there is no connected universe means that one title can reboot itself and allow others to continue.
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>>123114171 Compared to capeshit
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>>123114527 >You can start anywhere This just means that nothing matters. Why read story that doesn't matter?
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>>123101068 >Manga is super power in the modern era and is much more popular then American comics >One of the reason for this is that comparatively manga is much more cohesive in it's stories and usually have one straight forward story with a clear beginning middle and end. >To combat the declining sales DC comics desires to double down and make literally everything canon, as a result making the timeline make less sense and less cohesive as a result >What did they mean by this? Why are autist like this?
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>>123120295 Cherry blossoms are so pretty
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>>123120321 A storm of blood and petals.
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>>123120466 I love bishies, sure hunks are nice, but damn that I like bishies.
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>>123101068 >>One of the reason for this is that comparatively manga is much more cohesive in it's stories and usually have one straight forward story with a clear beginning middle and end. >implying that's a selling point that most people reading manga or comics even think about The cohesive series of numbered volumes makes manga a lot more accessible than comics, but I don't think many readers decide the main reason they're going to start reading MHA or Naruto over Batman or Spider-Man is because they know they'll get a definitive ending eventually.
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>12 year old in the 60s >no internet >basically no collections/omnibus/tpbs >dodgy distribution methods at local food stores >an “adult” in 2021 >access to internet >most back issues easily purchased in collections >speciality stores that have comics every Wednesday
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>>123122584 >an “adult” in 2021 Adults shouldn't be reading superhero comics, that is the issue, this should be read for teenagers, not adult niche market.
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>>123122584 Part of the issue is that the things that led to temporary increases in sales like events and new #1s also led to long term complications and individual issues of comics are no longer made as stand alone stories.
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>>123101068 nobody cares about your stupid raid bullshit go back to discord faggot
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>>123102011 >and were just as in your face about it now No, even with the ALWAYS BROUGHT UP Green Arrow Green Lantern run about drugs and racial injustice, it was nowhere near the race baiting we have now.
And this is a very well known run because it was an extreme outlier, nowadays nearly every goddamn comic is filled with shitty social justice messaging.
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>One of the reason for this is that comparatively manga is much more cohesive in it's stories and usually have one straight forward story with a clear beginning middle and end.
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>>123124204 Then maybe you should get rid of colors and make it weekly, american-mutt.
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>>123103129 >This is not even remotely close to being even partially true. Are you even trying ?
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>>123103915 >manga >comics buyers Anonymous
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>>123124368 There are also a number of black and white comics, the Walking Dead being one of the more recent popular ones.
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>>123115756 And that’s why nobody reads Discworld
They just watch the movies
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>>123103168 That I admit comic books are in all time low state doesn't mean that most manga aren't their own less bad brand of terrible as well.
>>123108715 Too many to list, but the list includes Parasyte, Fairy Tail, Dragon Ball, Negima, Sailor Moon, UQ Holder, Steam Detectives, Nadesico, Murcielago, Evangelion, Touch, Saber Marionette, Ranma, Short Program, Akira, Okaasan Online, Redo of Healer, Fate Stay Night, Fate Extra, Fate Grand Order, Plastic Little, Gunsmith Cats, Black Lagoon, Cowboy Bebop, Inuyasha, Slayers, Gon, Nisekoi, We Never Learn, Bleach, Naruto, One Piece, Dr. Slump, Dance in the Vampire Bund, the Nagato Yuki manga, Ice Blade, Doraemon, Call me Princess, Maison Ikokku, Slam Dunk, Captain Tsubasa, Oh my Goddess, Paradise Residence, Card Captor Sakura, Rayearth, Trigun and Pokemon.
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I think what they mean by the second sentence is the way manga and comics treat their characters and universes, you don't see different writers doing their own version of Naruto in manga like you see with Spiderman in comics
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>>123101068 >DC comics desires to double down and make literally everything canon This was always the case. Is hypertime a new concept to you?
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>>123101068 Good shit doesn't sell anywhere, and that's all I want.
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Webcomics are kind of popular compared to published issues by dc or marvel
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>>123101068 AT&T Sells WarnerMedia to Discovery!
WarnerMedia is being SOLD to Discovery, and the two will form a new media company to compete with Netflix and Disney Plus -- confirmed! AT&T is DONE with Hollywood. This is NOT good news for DC Comics, Rooster Teeth or any other struggling division of WarnerMedia as there will CERTAINLY be cutbacks after the merger. The streaming wars are going to get UGLY.
souce.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDFWULMymHk Anonymous
>>123127899 > WB > Sold Ok, this is scary. Really.
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>>123128232 Time to pay the piper, Mariko Tamaki.
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>>123128339 Blaming a writer that is the symptom of the issue doesn't make sense tho, I'm far angrier at WB execs mishandling everything related to DC.
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>>123127899 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgg7SQWgW8Y&t=667s >>123125345 That's been my point as well, but these retards are to thick skulled thinking sales are what all matters and what determines if the quality of a specific manga or anime is good, berserk doesn't even sell as good when compared to demon slayer, but is still leaps and bounds better than what ever shonen shit is churning out and even to most comics.
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>>123127899 Streaming fucking sucks, it will never replace traditional media.
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>>123128686 oops wrong thread.
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>>123126000 Fucking damn straight.
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manga is definitely superior to american comics. today plenty of youngsters especially zoomers would acknowledge it, but theres still plenty of old comic fans who cant accept the reality, and have huge prejudice against manga. and im sure almost all comicbook pros/editors still look down on manga and resort to moral superiority/religious high moral standards. its probably anglos nature. they cant live without feeling superior to someone else. woke culture also comes down to it.
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>>123129712 In general: manga > american comics
At their best: american comics > manga
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>>123130440 yea but at their best the comic industry uses famous people to right books then steals the right to it or fucks them over making them never return.
sad really
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Nature could benefit if they stopped printing comics and stuck to digital
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>>123104851 >ask people how "devoted" the author of Bleach was before he was forced to end the story kubo was literally having health issues around the time bleach was canceled and even then he still cared enough to try and keep the story going with the novels
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I can respect comics if they are gatekeeping so normalfags don't flood in. I thought 4chan love gatekeeping?
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>>123101068 They already tried rebooting, more than once. It doesn't work, it merely turns off their already existing fanbase.
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>read manga because you like the art >no problem, the artist will always be the artist >read comic because you like the art >sorry fucker we just switched the artist to some complete trash in the middle of the run because fuck you
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>>123101068 Getting into comics now is easier than ever. If something confuses you you can make a minute long google search or check some 10 minutes long summary of crisis or whatever. Comics existed for decades before the internet, when the answer to every question about continuity and characters wasn't a click away.
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I just want the industry to be functional man.
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>>123130440 another dumb anglo superiority
thats what makes you always look down on manga and japan while comics are slaughtered by manga
you will never realise it
enjoy the stupid superiority, dumb anglo monkey
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>>123133205 I read both, dumb nigger. Obviously, I'd like to read some grade-A stuff every once in a while, and American comics have delivered better in this than manga.
I'd fucking love some delicious, 10/10 manga, but it just doesn't happen as often as I'd like.
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>>123101068 Continuity doesn't matter. They're just gonna throw it all in the trash and start all over again.
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>>123133568 > 10/10 manga, but it just doesn't happen as often as I'd like. Read seinen.
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>>123114910 >After the Pain arc See, when people say this it exposes that they either didn’t read Naruto or they didn’t pay attention. The only shit that was out of left field was Kaguya. Everything else was setup or clearly established beforehand.
>BUT MUH POWERSCALE! Nobody surpassed Pein until Madara. The Third Raikage was Hachibi-level and Sage Naruto fucked him up. Obito was at a similar level without Tailed Beasts. The Kyuubi was clearly established as OP as fuck from Day 1 so Naruto being able to skyrocket in power was obvious. Hell, the Ten Tails was established long before it actually appeared so we knew that tier of power was a thing the Akatsuki were aiming for.
Seriously. The powerscale isn’t as ridiculous as people claim.
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>>123135712 Anon there was more problems than just the power scale anon.
I don't have any problems with the power scaling.
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>>123135747 Then what are your problems? Sakura? That was literally her character even before the Sasuke shit. Itachi not being evil? Literally Part 1 has Sasuke imply Itachi cried. Obito? Obvious as fuck since Tobi debuted after Kakashi Gaiden. Do you think Sasuke forgave Itachi? No, he calls him out and says he disagrees in the final battle with Naruto. You think Naruto forgave Obito? Then you missed the themes of identity, reality and self with their relationship. Obito’s motivation? Then you glossed over Obito’s disassociation with reality and the fact that he could cast Infinite Tsukuyomi on himself without the Ten Tails.
Are you someone who believes Naruto ever claimed fate didn’t exist? Part 1 Naruto literally shits on Neji for acting out of line as a branch member despite believing fate is ordained by social circumstance. He never claims fate is bullshit, just that Neji can’t tell what his fate or the fate of others is.
Indra and Asura? Naruto fucking mentions he notices another presence in the Kage Summit arc because of his Sage senses within himself and Sasuke.
So, what is your issue with the ‘retarded bullshit’? The only thing that isn’t established or doesn’t make sense is Kaguya. In which case you would say ‘after the War arc’ instead which is only the last hundred or so chapters.
Your claim that post-Pein is ‘retarded bullshit’ stinks of a casual who regurgitates their opinions from other people.
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>>123105290 >How is this poor? that's in yen
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>>123135900 correct correct and correct.
why are you still talking to this retard anon?
only kaguya is a asspull. dude may have had more a chance with bleach since ichigo is a marysue but so is everyone in comics including superman and hal jordo with his willpower cockring
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>>123135900 >casual who regurgitates their opinions from other people. Anon casuals watch and read naruto.
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>>123115474 Devilman was never popular outside Japan, Naruto is.
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>>123136030 dumbass called one of the big 3 not popular.
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>>123105477 >HunterXHunter, Bastard!! and Guyver are all fucked though. Guyver still a thing?
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I think comics are better read like stories of olympian gods or something.
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>>123135648 That's what I've mostly been reading.
I read from all demographics, and I've already read all of the acclaimed stuff.
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comics do amazing as movies, but as long running stuff its bad. I never seen creatively bankrupt people like the USA comic book industry. give a jap superman and he will make superman spin so fast it causes a tornado then laser the tornado to make a lazernado. give a jap superman and superman will have the ability to do air bullet punch or some shit and weakness with enemy's that can hurt him. He would just be goku from DBZ but not brain dead fucking retarded.
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>>123136309 Didn't people complain about Superman being way to op from the silver comics and it's impact being still felt to this day tho?
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>>123136334 Silver Age Superman was ridiculous
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>>123105525 You're just retarded then. Reread the last 10 chapters and you'll see the progress it has made. The reason you don't see it is because of the time between the chapters.
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>>123122584 >12 year old in the 60s has literally nothing else >adult in 2021 can just read something better WHY DID THE FANS LEAVE US
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>>123108983 GATE is literally an advert for JSDF
Mudazumo is saved only by being extremely fun, but the author's politics are blatant
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>>123136334 yup and the comic industry doesn't fucking understand it still to this day.
who the fuck is going to fight and beat a guy who can punch a hole in reality and murder fuck the sun.
Hell even the child fucking,murderer and asshole friend whos power is always meme as willpower can't win
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>muh manga could never have a bad ending because the authors are committed
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>>123136566 >his first example isn't even a manga That being said Japan is infamous for bad endings.
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>>123136566 Manga authors have a bad habit of not being able to write endings, I believe it's due to not knowing when their run is going to get axed, so most of the time they just have a vague checklist of things they want to get done.
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>>123101068 Also. I can read Viz comics for free
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>>123115502 >Big push for devil man 50th anniversary Puts out the OG books in one classic time. And two spin offs Devilman G and Devilman VS. Hades the former is literally a complete remake of the franchise that only vaguely uses established plot elements that also serving as the authors Miki fanfic. The latter is just a mazinger crossover that got an ending more open than the gran canyon.
Release nothing else, not lady, not Amon: The Darkside of the Devilman or even the good anthology series Neo Devilman. It’s been pretty much dead on the manga side in the west since they probably won’t bother releasing anything else again
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>>123136911 > won’t bother releasing anything else again Heard the author is about to finish to.
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>>123108983 What? That totally happens in manga all the time. Literally in the Death Note one shit, they took jabs at Donald Trump. Baki mocks Trump, Obama and Clinton. Bobobo had a running mayor or senator show up and beat bad guys up and was endorsed by the manga. GATE is a right wing nationalist wank fest where the JDF beats US soldiers and Russians at the same time. You’re retarded if you think political jabs, endorsements and such don’t happen in manga.
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>>123119734 Superman used to suck Raegan’s cock back in John Byrne’s era. He made him a boot licking cuck.
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>>123101168 the problem is that they have about two capable writers at the moment, and one of those two is tom king who is increasingly hit and miss. you can't reboot your entire line with writers like tynion and bendis at the helm. its just not going to work because they aren't capable of writing anything enduring.
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>>123139702 Who is the second? And what is wrong with Tynion? He is exactly what DC wants right now. Boring, safe and unimaginative.
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>>123139718 yang.
what dc wants right now is clearly not translating to good sales.
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>>123139758 Isn't Batman selling like hotcakes at the moment or something?
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>>123139772 its hardly snyder levels. its doing alright
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>>123101203 No because then you wouldn't be able to use that stuff in modern continuity.
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>>123115781 >You won't see a reboot that has the hero go back in time like comics and redo the same old shit for 50 years. That sounds suspiciously like the premise for Dragonball GT
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>>123115403 >>Capeshit vs shonenshit the thread It's very depressing how many anons use 'comics' to mean 'capeshit published by a couple of large American corporations'.
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manga is all about iterating as much as possible. their population is open enough to manga to financially support the various physical mags they're published in that can support multiple different series each (plus they're b&w so it's cheaper). if a manga sucks so bad it can't find any audience or support it'll get canned to make way for someone else's attempt. a mangaka may not have a great first series but they're at least kept employed and practicing during that series and maybe their next try will be better. out of that pool of dozens to hundreds of attempts there are some bigger hits, some get made into anime and become a larger franchise. a lot of manga isn't good but maybe this is about as practical as it to allow the room for the individuals working in manga to gain experience and grow. there's going to be a huge variance of skills, years of experience, and specialties between the individuals working in manga.
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>>123132570 a lot of the cheap coloring (which is like 80-90%) in cape comics is also hideous imo. bad coloring makes the lineart look worse than how it would in b/w
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>>123115282 I don't really care about Invincible specifically but if it (plus if the Bone adaptation is successful) helps to get more animated adaptations of creator-owned stories to become a reality that'd be pretty cool
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>>123140594 If you got rid of colors even less people would pick up comics. There are black and white comics but comic readers would hate it for their marvel and dc
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>>123101068 Who fucking cares if the timeline doesn't make sense? DC hasn't come up with anything better than what they did in the past, so you may as well let writers use continuity as a toolbox and not limit them with a bullshit new canon
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>>123142900 >you may as well let writers use continuity as a toolbox and not limit them with a bullshit new canon The shitty continuity is whatvlimits them...
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>>123140012 space saga was this, was created by not the main writer and wasnt a reboot. it was a magic wish making him a kid
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>>123101357 > new talent (from Spain for example or France) Ewww
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>>123101068 >One of the reason for this is that comparatively manga is much more cohesive in it's stories SnK and Bleach
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>>123106767 >>IDW IDW TMNT is pure shit now. Nobody like incompetent ninja.
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>>123146120 Not ,uch else to do after cloncluding the shredder arc. They've been meandering around wtih mutant city forever now
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>>123146120 Hey it's surprisingly good if we ignore the fifth turtle
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>>123101068 They should've just rebooted to pre-Flashpoint. That's it. None of the other fuckery they tried to do/are doing. People would've bitched, but that happens regardless.
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>>123101068 >and end Sorry but from my experiences Japanese writers never have damnest idea how to end.
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>>123149075 Isn't it what they are doing anyway?
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>>123136334 They complain because they don't understand that was the entire point. Superman is OP, but his problems with being OP is what the books were really about.
A great example is Action Comics #305, which illustrates that without his secret identity, Superman's life would be a living hell.
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>>123149123 No, everything is canon. From all reboots.
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>>123140464 American comics have had a hard time when you think about it.
They exploded in popularity in the early half of the 20th century and became a ubiquitous part of American life, only to get hamstrung by the comics code.
Films faced a similar issue, only regulations were lightened earlier than comics. I honestly think this was one of the major reason why we saw a boom of "edgy" comics around the 80s and 90s as comics desperately raced to catch up to what was perceived as the more "mature" medium of film.
Unfortunately, unlike Film, comics were hamstrung again around the 90s by shit distribution practices. This was basically the last nail in NA comic's coffin as it cemented the perception of them as a niche product for kids and man-children - a long cry from its earlier prevalence.
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>You better not be jacking off to the Japanese comics, I swear to god!
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https://twitter.com/ErinFitzgerald/status/1393349972708397060 >Erin Fitzgerald turned down voicing Ramlethal again in Guilty Gear Strive to let a Black VA have the role, "The character is Black, I am not Black" LOL
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>>123151026 I thought gg only had jap voice acting
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>>123151026 >NOOOO I WILL NOT VOICE BLACK PEOPLE Is there a word to describe this sentiment? I swear there was one...
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>>123101357 If Japan is whooping their ass why don't they get talent from Japan? I hear the Deadpool manga is doing gangbusters.
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>>123119868 I don't think people are asking writers to even be less political, just less obvious and hamfisted about it.
I think the main complaint is people want comics to stop being liberal cultural propaganda, but would be fine with liberal ideas being presented if it was a natural part of the story.
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>>123101068 This thread is coming to a close, but for what it's worth I don't think that even if western comics and animation collapse that the situation will improve.
Even if the freedom to do stronger themes is there? Don't think western properties are capable of being as appealing as anime, the art styles that the west utilizes are just way too ugly. Seriously I can take Tezuka style art styles seriously depending on the story type, but I could NEVER take something that looks like Betty Boop seriously.
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>>123134900 Find it hilarious that Catwoman says this when for a number of years she looks like a shitty ugly ass dyke. The fictional anime woman in this image looks more feminine with the longer hair and as such more desirable.
Don't see the appeal of making western female characters ugly and dyke like and generally ugly (especially in the area of having their breasts sliced off to not offend flat chested ugly women in real life who would never buy any of these properties at all). Hope the west keeps on losing money and given the image, Hathaway is a HIDEOUS piece of horse teeth shit who has no business pretending to be Catwoman.
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>>123152082 I don't think anyone wants to risk their career or bring controversy to a project
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>>123115582 This sums up DC's endless reboots in a nutshell.
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>>123139772 Batman ALWAYS sells. But anything non-Batman related at DC? Forget about it. The company might as well cancel anything outside of the Bat-books, because sales can't really justify the rest of the line's existence at this point.
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>>123149872 >This was basically the last nail in NA comic's coffin as it cemented the perception of them as a niche product for kids and man-children - a long cry from its earlier prevalence. ....damn
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>>123149872 That's why the 80s were so strong.
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>>123107151 I'm 23 and agree with boomers
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Western cartoons and comics are shit.
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How many more times?
