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Anonymous Tue 19 Jan 17:36:24 2021 No.120385760 View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>120386104 >>120386209 >>120387359 >>120388708

>eww Carnage is just a boring one-dimensional psychopath whose only motivation is that he likes to kill, that's not interesting to anyone who's not an edgy teenager
>now Bullseye, that's a great villain
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Anonymous Tue 19 Jan 2021 17:37:32 No.120385781 Report

Quoted By: >>120385822 >>120386391

whos bullseye

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Anonymous Tue 19 Jan 2021 17:40:10 No.120385822 Report

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>>120385781
Daredevil villain. Has the unique distinction of killing two of Matt's three most famous love interests.

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Anonymous Tue 19 Jan 2021 17:56:21 No.120386104 Report

Quoted By: >>120386174 >>120386668

>>120385760
Bullseye’s better because the stories where he goes psychopathetic (both before and during Miller’s run) are far more interesting than anything Cletus has done. Daredevil represents his failure, and with it came repercussions Matt partially blames himself for, such as Bullseye seeing everyone as Daredevil and therefore trying to kill all of them. Bullseye also pushed the boundaries of Matt’s kill line in ways that were both believable and tragic, which is an angle Kingpin couldn’t really fill the same way.

Spider-Man has way more interesting villains than Carnage, ones that film those personal angles of his life much better. All Cletus does is “Boy I love killing! Did I mention I love killing?”

TLDR; OP doesn’t read comics

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Anonymous Tue 19 Jan 2021 18:00:13 No.120386174 Report

Quoted By: >>120386205

>>120386104
So it's less the villain themselves, and instead is how the villain bounces off the hero, basically.

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Anonymous Tue 19 Jan 2021 18:00:51 No.120386185 Report

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But Bullseye is an assassin doing it for money and pride, isn't he? Any time I've read anything with him he's always just been stopped from doing his job, and acted really pissed about having his name besmirched with a failure. That kind of character still works in a universe where you can never kill a villain off, because the heroes can put him away but sooner or later some big player will want an assassin for a job and break them out. A serial killer with a supersuit that'll just go on killing willy nilly for eternity thanks to the suit doesn't, even the supervillains would be looking to kill him just to make sure he doesn't decide to eat their brain for a gag.

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Anonymous Tue 19 Jan 2021 18:02:28 No.120386205 Report

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>>120386174
It’s the execution of the character, and their interaction with the hero plays a massive part in it.
The issue where Matt plays Russian roulette with a hospitalized Bullseye is an incredible issue where Bullseye doesn’t even need to speak once for you to feel their history.

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Anonymous Tue 19 Jan 2021 18:02:56 No.120386209 Report

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>>120385760
You seem to have won this imaginary argument, OP. Good job.

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Anonymous Tue 19 Jan 2021 18:13:42 No.120386391 Report

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>>120385781
>>120385822
i wish he has more interactions with gambit

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Anonymous Tue 19 Jan 2021 18:24:48 No.120386602 Report

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>>120386391
>both throws shit at each other, Gambit gets hit in the arm while his card sails past Bullseye
>heh, so much for "homo superior", missing me completely!
>au contraire mon ami, I don't need to hit!
>card explodes behind Bullseye and set off the gas can next to it, sending him flying
Just imagine the level of smirking from the two of them. Next time Bullseye has learnt his lesson and starts catching Gambit's cards in the air and throwing them back or at other targets, to even more deadly results than when Gambit does it. Give them a team-up where rogue Sentinels are attacking and Bullseye is one of the targets. So Gambit supercharges things and throws them to Bullseys, who sends them flying between the thin gaps between plates of armour to explode inside instead of just exploding on the outside etc.

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Anonymous Tue 19 Jan 2021 18:28:43 No.120386668 Report

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>>120386104
I would say the visuals also play a part. Bullseye looks like a Boomerang or Stilt Man tier threat but instead of being a filler issue goof he is one of the most legitimately monsterous villains in Marvel.
Cletus is basically a guy made out of sentient blood that can turn into knives and is essentially an edgy clone of a much better Spider-man villain.

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Anonymous Tue 19 Jan 2021 18:37:35 No.120386825 Report

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>>120386668
>Cletus is basically a guy made out of sentient blood that can turn into knives and is essentially an edgy clone of a much better Spider-man villain.

Venom IS the edgy clone of Spider-man. Carnage is a parody of that people thought Venom was at the time.

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Anonymous Tue 19 Jan 2021 18:54:27 No.120387134 Report

Quoted By: >>120387271

Carnage is fine as a one off character. He should of been killed at the end of maximum carnage. Characters like carnage break the immersion into the world. There is no justification that can be written for him not being killed. He's stuck around because he looks cool and sold issues.

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Anonymous Tue 19 Jan 2021 19:01:11 No.120387271 Report

Quoted By: >>120387415

>>120387134
Scale is certainly at play. Carnage at minimum tends to fight either heavy hitting heroes or big teams of them and threatens whole cities and even universes at some point. Him not being executed or sent somewhere else is just bizarre, especially when Hulk was sent to another planet.

Bullseye can be incapacitated and beaten in grounded ways, and like I said before letting him live was a big aspect of Matt’s character in Miller’s run.

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Anonymous Tue 19 Jan 2021 19:05:15 No.120387347 Report

Quoted By: >>120388676

>>120386825
I think edgy undersells what Venom is. Like Spider-man he is born out of failure, but unlike Peter he continues his failure. Peter is who we'd like to be and if we're being honest Eddie is who we are. The stories may have been edgy at times, but the concept isn't. Venom is the only decent spider derivative.

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Anonymous Tue 19 Jan 2021 19:06:18 No.120387359 Report

Quoted By: >>120388778

>>120385760
As much as I love a well written three dimensional villain with a good motivation and backstory, sometimes a batshit insane nut who only likes to kill and fight is good too, just changes it up a bit.

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Anonymous Tue 19 Jan 2021 19:09:21 No.120387415 Report

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>>120387271
Good point. While I think large scale threats are beyond over used, that's another discussion. The worst part is that the 'carnage' character is the easiest to make a new one. There isn't much character there, killer wants to kill.

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Anonymous Tue 19 Jan 2021 20:00:39 No.120388416 Report

Quoted By: >>120388610 >>120388658 >>120388712

What I don't get is why keep Cleetus around, as a writer. If you need to have Carnage pop up again then just have it be the symbiote rebuilding itself from a tiny morsel left behind and taking a new host. It liked Cleetus so it seeks out similarly deranged killers and make them even more monstrous. You could even turn up the body horror angle and have the host try to fight the insane spreekiller impulses. Or have the symbiote dig up Cleetus' rotting body from whatever graveyard they dump people in after giving them a lethal injection and have it puppet the body around. Like the serial killer symbiote version of the type of serial killers who keep returning to the corpse of their victim.

Now you don't have to explain why a random jail guard or even a villain hasn't put a bullet in Cleetus' skull the first chance they got. They did. It just didn't help with the Carnage problem. Every time the heroes face Carnage they could be ready to kill, but it's just too hard to kill the symbiote that can travel through wires and shit.

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Anonymous Tue 19 Jan 2021 20:11:33 No.120388610 Report

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>>120388416
That's actually a great idea

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Anonymous Tue 19 Jan 2021 20:14:28 No.120388658 Report

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>>120388416
Well Cletus was a zombie for a bit and the symbiote is now a shark so there's that

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Anonymous Tue 19 Jan 2021 20:15:17 No.120388676 Report

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>>120387347
Now that he has made something of himself and has gone good, I'd say that he's no longer a failure in that regard. He's left his grudge and anger way behind him and realized how stupid his original grudge was.

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Anonymous Tue 19 Jan 2021 20:16:50 No.120388708 Report

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>>120385760
I don't know much about Bullseye, but he seems at least a little reserved compered to Carnage.
Carnage just has too much 90's energy in him. I kinda wish he had just stayed Inverted after AXIS. He would still be that weirdly creepy but well meaning murder hillbilly bonded to space goo. I'd like that.

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Anonymous Tue 19 Jan 2021 20:17:03 No.120388712 Report

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>>120388416
All of these would be better than cletus again. Hell, you could even have the symbiote act as a killing/eating machine all on its own for a time.

Carnage is a literal monster and literal monsters have always been exempt from the no-killing rule.

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Anonymous Tue 19 Jan 2021 20:18:16 No.120388731 Report

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So what are the essential Carnage stories? Anything besides Maximum Carnage?

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Anonymous Tue 19 Jan 2021 20:19:53 No.120388778 Report

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>>120387359
>Motivated villain with well thought out plan and vision for the future recruits batshit nut for his raw fighting ability with promise of good fights
>In pursuit of good fights, batshit nut fucks up motivated villain's plans
>Optional: batshit nut stumbles his way into ultimate power and either throws it away because it makes fights too easy or good guy and motivated villain have to team up to stop him
I know this has happened in a story, but I don't know when or where

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