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How does Thor succeed where Superman fails?

Anonymous Mon 28 Sep 20:15:22 2020 No.118017688 View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>118017902 >>118018021 >>118018189 >>118018467 >>118019001 >>118020506 >>118020729 >>118020984 >>118021515 >>118023043

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Anonymous Mon 28 Sep 2020 20:25:26 No.118017902 Report

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>>118017688
He doesn't, totally different characters. Thor is space Conan while Superman is space Captain America.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 28 Sep 2020 20:27:20 No.118017943 Report

Quoted By: >>118019205 >>118020260

He was part of a extremely popular movie franchise. That’s it. Simple as that.

Thor was pretty MIA during 80s and 90s.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 28 Sep 2020 20:30:52 No.118018021 Report

Quoted By: >>118018070

>>118017688
Thor has been around for way longer than Superman

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 28 Sep 2020 20:32:46 No.118018070 Report

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>>118018021
Maybe the idea of Thor but not Marvels Thor.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 28 Sep 2020 20:38:27 No.118018189 Report

Quoted By: >>118018835 >>118022266 >>118022285 >>118022574 >>118023066

>>118017688
>Superman is the centre of the multiverse
>Superman is the idea of heroism came to life in the universe
>Superman is related to Ahl, the God of Superheroes
>Superman was genetically enhanced by Jor El so he could leave Krypton
>Superman was choosen by Abin Sur to be Green Lantern of 2814
>Superman refused to be the Green Lantern of 2814 and choose Hal Jordan to be Green Lantern
>Superman came back to life because Nekron, the lord of the Unliving, wanted him to be his Black Lantern.
>Superman can lift earth for days
>Superman held a black hole in his hands
>Superman outrunned the Flash in a race without holding back
>Superman was able to outrun the Flash because Lex bet on Superman to win and so would have done charity
>Superman always made Batman win their fights
>Superman made Batman win their fights because it would make Batman happy
>Superman can use a red aura of laser power that empowers him
>Superman defeated Hercules and got the title of strongest man in the gods
>Superman can perform any kind of surgery by reading an entire library of medical textes in less than seconds
>Superman can use his bioelectric field to shields others and negating gravity
>Superman can become invisible by vibrating his body at a rate of oscillation
>Superman can become intangible by vibrating his molecules
>Superman can match the vibration of a planet
>Superman can lift planets by negating the inertia
>Superman can break chains made of Kerenthium steel, forged with pressure from an inverted black hole and used to haul stars between galaxies
>Superman survived a supernova coming directly at him
>Superman survived the Big Bang coming directly at him
>Superman can ripple time and space by fighting another Superman
>Superman absorbed the Anti-Sun energy and was able to to destroy an Old God of destruction
>Superman was the New God of strenght
>Superman was choosen by the source to be it's champion of hope

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 28 Sep 2020 20:52:26 No.118018467 Report

Quoted By: >>118018490 >>118020105

>>118017688
by being weaker

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 28 Sep 2020 20:53:29 No.118018490 Report

Quoted By: >>118020105

>>118018467
Superman beat Thor easily in the official crossover comic. Easily.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 28 Sep 2020 21:10:58 No.118018835 Report

Quoted By: >>118022285

>>118018189
What a garbage "character"

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 28 Sep 2020 21:20:31 No.118019001 Report

Quoted By: >>118020105

>>118017688
Thor is less broken in the eyes of the normalfags and while his movies were/are mediocre, they didn't had huge expectations in the first place

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 28 Sep 2020 21:30:58 No.118019205 Report

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>>118017943
spbp

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 28 Sep 2020 22:07:46 No.118020105 Report

Quoted By: >>118021545

>>118019001
Pretty much this.
>>118018490
I think >>118018467 is saying that in reference to being more popular, not winning in a fight.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 28 Sep 2020 22:09:36 No.118020148 Report

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Thor has norse mythology and in turn magic to fall back on.

Arguably you can also do the "Hercules in new york" thing with him, but that unironically works better with Hercules.

Not saying Superman is a bad character though, he's my second favourite character after Thor.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 28 Sep 2020 22:14:22 No.118020260 Report

Quoted By: >>118021987

>>118017943
>Thor was pretty MIA during 80s
Simonson's run which is widely considered the best of the character's history came out in the 80s.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 28 Sep 2020 22:24:25 No.118020506 Report

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>>118017688
cultural approbation

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 28 Sep 2020 22:30:54 No.118020653 Report

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You do realize Thor is the least interesting part of his book, right?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 28 Sep 2020 22:33:19 No.118020729 Report

Quoted By: >>118021268

>>118017688
He doesn't. They couldn't get Thor to work so he became a clown

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 28 Sep 2020 22:43:55 No.118020984 Report

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>>118017688
He didn't, they had to turn him into a comedian.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 28 Sep 2020 22:55:22 No.118021268 Report

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>>118020729
>They couldn't get Thor to work
Him, Loki and the world building worked god damn fine, it was a portion of what was around him that didn't work (malekith weak villain, darcy humor interrupting final battle, weak romance)

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 28 Sep 2020 22:58:48 No.118021342 Report

Quoted By: >>118021570

Supes is more comparable to Odin than Thor on account of Supes being Jesus and Jesus ripping off the dying on a piece of wood for our sins thing from Odin.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 28 Sep 2020 23:06:48 No.118021515 Report

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>>118017688
Lightning is cooler than laser eyes.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 28 Sep 2020 23:08:13 No.118021545 Report

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>>118020105
Superman moves way more product than Thor.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 28 Sep 2020 23:09:12 No.118021570 Report

Quoted By: >>118021633

>>118021342
>Supes being Jesus
Moses, not Jesus.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 28 Sep 2020 23:10:11 No.118021586 Report

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OP made this thread because he's STILL seething when people compared Thor to Superman, and that most of his gripes with The Man of Steel were 10x worse when applied to The Son of Odin

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 28 Sep 2020 23:12:44 No.118021633 Report

Quoted By: >>118021655

>>118021570
He did the crucifixion pose in BvS. Plus that spear

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 28 Sep 2020 23:14:03 No.118021655 Report

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>>118021633
Look at his origin and tell me it's not Moses. Also, he was created by Jews, who hold Moses above Jesus.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 28 Sep 2020 23:32:17 No.118021987 Report

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>>118020260
He barely had a run. He was MIA in the 1980s for the most part.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 28 Sep 2020 23:47:24 No.118022266 Report

Quoted By: >>118022285

>>118018189
Sounds like the result of a kid making a character better than his friends character by saying all the amazing things he can do better

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 28 Sep 2020 23:48:23 No.118022285 Report

Quoted By: >>118022361

>>118018189
>>118018835
>>118022266
Quit bumping your shitty thread. And don't bother posting a screenshot either

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 28 Sep 2020 23:51:55 No.118022361 Report

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>>118022285
actual schizophrenic. I don't like either of the characters why would i make a thread about 2 characters i don't like so that people can discuss why one works and then shit on them?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 29 Sep 2020 00:02:15 No.118022574 Report

Quoted By: >>118022700

>>118018189
Superman has beaten Batman anon

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 29 Sep 2020 00:06:44 No.118022653 Report

Quoted By: >>118022693

The only Thor movie that made more money than "Man of Steel" was "Ragnarok".

So by which metric are we measuring their success?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 29 Sep 2020 00:08:32 No.118022693 Report

Quoted By: >>118022718

>>118022653
Ragnarok also made more more money than the Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman and Flash together

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 29 Sep 2020 00:08:47 No.118022700 Report

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>>118022574
According to Tom King that Superman lied.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 29 Sep 2020 00:09:48 No.118022718 Report

Quoted By: >>118023061

>>118022693
It also made considerable less money than the Aquaman solo movie.

I ain't seeing any "Why Aquaman succeed while Thor failed" threads, though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 29 Sep 2020 00:14:38 No.118022815 Report

Quoted By: >>118022876 >>118023034

>God and Prince-heir of the most powerful and richest civilization in the Universe, all men want to be him and all women want to sleep with him, owner of a hammer that can only be lifted by those few in the Universe who are objectively awesome, no weakness whatsoever
>"WOW WOW WOW this is so relatable and awesome! This is literally me! Thor is so amazing, guys!"

>Virtually the only survivor of an holocaust, raised in a farm, one-woman man, works 9 to 5, a hundred different weaknesses
>"MARY SUE MARY SUE MARY SUE MARY SUE MARY SUE MARY SUE MARY SUE MARY SUE REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!"

Always the bizarre double standard.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 29 Sep 2020 00:17:41 No.118022876 Report

Quoted By: >>118022955

>>118022815
Thor feels real. As a person, as in his personality and emotions. Superman doesn’t.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 29 Sep 2020 00:20:43 No.118022955 Report

Quoted By: >>118023003 >>118023034

>>118022876
Oh, for sure.

Whenever I see Thor going "HAVE A THEE, MONSTER OF MADNESS! FEEL THE ALMIGHTY POWER OF THE THUNDER!" I can't help but think "damn, this guy is so real! He could literally be my neighbor!".

No work, infinite wealth, immortality, a hammer that can only be lifted by objectively awesome people, royalty of the most powerful civilization in the universe... it's all so real.

Superman, though, works 9 to 5 and married his co-worker! Literally unthinkable.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 29 Sep 2020 00:22:52 No.118023003 Report

Quoted By: >>118023034 >>118023097

>>118022955
Yeah, like a real person. Someone you can have a drink with. Superman though? He doesn’t feel real. Sure he’s living a relatively normal life but his personality doesn’t feel like a real person’s. Like he’s a machine some days.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 29 Sep 2020 00:24:28 No.118023034 Report

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>>118022955
>>118022815
>>118023003

That's not because of any flaw inherent in Superman's writing, but actually because he's been rebooted so many times they can't actually keep much of a personality across the entire thing without people either complaining about the one thing being over done or any new one being too OOC.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 29 Sep 2020 00:24:41 No.118023043 Report

Quoted By: >>118023186

>>118017688
Thor's barely an A tier hero. Superman is iconic and more well-known despite the MCU's best efforts.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 29 Sep 2020 00:25:32 No.118023061 Report

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>>118022718
Thor is seem as Marvel version of Superman by some

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 29 Sep 2020 00:25:44 No.118023066 Report

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>>118018189
>b-but Superman isn’t a mary sue...

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 29 Sep 2020 00:26:44 No.118023097 Report

Quoted By: >>118023154

>>118023003
Ot's just because you are a Marvelfag.

60 years ago Stan Lee convinced you guys that reading Marvel makes you smarter because Marvel characters are all "relatable and grounded and real". No matter how ridiculous it is, you Marvelfags now feel that it's your duty to repeat this lie just to justify yourself.

No, Thor doesn't feel real. No, he doesn't sound or look like a person "you can have a beer with".

It's all Stan Lee's brainwashing. It's about time you guys broke free of it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 29 Sep 2020 00:29:47 No.118023154 Report

Quoted By: >>118023232 >>118023237

>>118023097
I said drink. And he kinda does. You seem to think a character in a realistic setting is automatically a realistic character and that a character in a fantastic setting can never feel like a realistic character. What a shame.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 29 Sep 2020 00:31:24 No.118023186 Report

Quoted By: >>118023452

>>118023043
Thor is SSS tier,

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 29 Sep 2020 00:31:24 No.118023187 Report

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Why do you guys even cater to the Anti-Superautist?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 29 Sep 2020 00:33:20 No.118023232 Report

Quoted By: >>118023274

>>118023154
I think the right word is "believable" i.e. Thor don't break his own universe "laws"

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 29 Sep 2020 00:33:30 No.118023237 Report

Quoted By: >>118023269

>>118023154
No no no, you're the one mixing things up.

I didn't say that Thor isn't a realistic character because "the Marvel universe isn't realistic". I said he isn't realistic regardless of that.

He just isn't. He is a guy that owns a hammer that can only be lifted by OBJECTIVELY AWESOME people. Imagine if DC had a character like that, how you Marvelfags would be bitching.

Stan Lee knew damn well what he was doing when he convinded you guys that Marvel was realistic and reading Marvel meant that you were smart.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 29 Sep 2020 00:34:43 No.118023269 Report

Quoted By: >>118023298

>>118023237
Why can’t a believable character do fantastic things and own fantastic weapons? Not every character has to work a 9 to 5 to feel real

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Anonymous Tue 29 Sep 2020 00:34:56 No.118023274 Report

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>>118023232
>Thor don't break his own universe "laws"
"Galactus is a constant and is needed" used to be a law of the Marvel universe until 1 month ago, when thor cimply decided to kill him.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 29 Sep 2020 00:36:20 No.118023298 Report

Quoted By: >>118023330

>>118023269
>Why can’t a believable character do fantastic things and own fantastic weapons?
They can. Look at Hal Jordan.

Thor just isn't one of them.

Does it shock you, to hear someone saying that a Marvel character isn't realistic? Is this the first time in your life?

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Anonymous Tue 29 Sep 2020 00:37:02 No.118023317 Report

Quoted By: >>118023376

This thread was just made for Marvelspergs who can't bring themselves to like anything else wasn't it

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 29 Sep 2020 00:37:52 No.118023330 Report

Quoted By: >>118023353 >>118023376

>>118023298
I find both realistic. Superman however just isn’t. You could make him Joe Schmoe work wise but if you don’t change his character or lack thereof, means nothing

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 29 Sep 2020 00:38:53 No.118023353 Report

Quoted By: >>118023374

>>118023330
How is his character not real
You keep saying this but you haven't substantiated it yet

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 29 Sep 2020 00:39:58 No.118023374 Report

Quoted By: >>118023393

>>118023353
He doesn’t feel like a real person, he feels more like a PSA,

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 29 Sep 2020 00:40:05 No.118023376 Report

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>>118023317
It's always like this.

"Valeria Richards saving the Universe while she is 3 years old is realistic and grounded and based! Batman saving the world at 35 is Batwank!1! DC is awful!"

>>118023330
>I find both realistic.
And you would be wrong about it, seeing how Thor isn't realistic.

> Superman however just isn’t. You could make him Joe Schmoe work wise but if you don’t change his character or lack thereof, means nothing

Another thing you are wrong about. Superman got a more solid personality than Thor does.

Just look at how much Marvel changed Thor's personality between his second and third movie. No one have a fuck. That can't be done to a character that "feel real". That has a "personality".

Marvel could only do that because Thor doesn't have a personality to begin with.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 29 Sep 2020 00:41:05 No.118023393 Report

Quoted By: >>118023457

>>118023374
Okay why

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 29 Sep 2020 00:45:01 No.118023452 Report

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>>118023186
He barely holds down one comic on his own and they only sell good. Not great. Not chart topping. And his events, Fear Itself and War of Realms, have not done that well.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 29 Sep 2020 00:45:26 No.118023457 Report

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>>118023393
There will be no explanation, my guy. Have you never talked to a Marvel fan before.

"Thor is realistic because he feels oh so realistic. Superman isn't realistic, though, because he doesn't feel realistic".

And then other Marvelfags will come and say.

"Wow, totally, you hit the nail in the head!"

It's just how they roll. They are REALLY invested in the idea that Marvel characters are "realistic".

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