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Anonymous Wed 26 Aug 16:01:39 2020 No.117216157 View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>117216226 >>117216432 >>117216814 >>117217339 >>117220530 >>117220966 >>117221334

Why isn't DC's Cosmic hierarchy as good as Marvel? Why didn't Rann-Thanagar War revitalise it's Cosmic side like Annihilation did for Marvel?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 26 Aug 2020 16:06:20 No.117216226 Report

Quoted By: >>117216833 >>117222110

>>117216157
Because Johns wanted to keep the GL mythos separate and they're kind of the connective tissue of Cosmic DC.

They did manage to get R.E.B.E.L.S, which was like their version of Guardians of the Galaxy, but it never amounted to as much.

And desu, the cohesion and quality Annihilation brought to Marvel didn't survive Bendis, so probably shouldn't give it too much credit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 26 Aug 2020 16:18:20 No.117216432 Report

Quoted By: >>117218382

>>117216157
Marvel cosmic is only good because it was mostly done by a couple people: Kirby, Starlin, and DnA, building off each other.

DC's cosmos has a dozen disparate and contradictory clusters of characters and concepts built up over 80 years and their attempts to consolidate them were never very good.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 26 Aug 2020 16:37:45 No.117216814 Report

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>>117216157
It's just as good.
Marvel Cosmic has only had one good story, and it's a DnA epic involving GotG, Nova, Annihilus, Thanos, etc. It was totally cucked by Bendis too.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 26 Aug 2020 16:38:36 No.117216833 Report

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>>117216226
The only thing Johns pulled the reigns in were the Ion stuff other than that he didn’t really detract from anything else

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 26 Aug 2020 16:42:51 No.117216897 Report

Quoted By: >>117216923 >>117217383 >>117221726 >>117222880

For the same reason that Marvel's horror/magic hierarchy isn't as good as DC's

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 26 Aug 2020 16:44:28 No.117216923 Report

Quoted By: >>117218179

>>117216897
Is there an actual correlation there or are you just scraping for company war points?

Because I'd love to hear if there is.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 26 Aug 2020 17:05:42 No.117217339 Report

Quoted By: >>117217397 >>117218135 >>117218310

>>117216157

Because there really was no concerted effort to relaunch it. It was just GL GL GL GL

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 26 Aug 2020 17:07:27 No.117217383 Report

Quoted By: >>117217608

>>117216897
Because Marvel barely makes an effort and describes magic as science for some dumb reason?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 26 Aug 2020 17:08:10 No.117217397 Report

Quoted By: >>117217487 >>117219111

>>117217339
And it worked

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 26 Aug 2020 17:11:23 No.117217487 Report

Quoted By: >>117220367

>>117217397
It was the worst thing that could have happened to DC's cosmic side - Johns and his stupid Power Rangers spectrum of Lanterns means every subsequent writer follows his lead and introduces new colors as though it's supposed to be interesting or cool that there's an Ultraviolet Lantern and a Gold Lantern and a Periwinkle Lantern. One concept, beaten to death a hundred times over.

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Anonymous Wed 26 Aug 2020 17:18:02 No.117217608 Report

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>>117217383
>Marvel barely makes an effort and describes magic as science for some dumb reason?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 26 Aug 2020 17:45:26 No.117218135 Report

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>>117217339
I mean the GL franchise was at deaths door and it was revitalized with an extremely popular well regarded run, I really don’t blame DC for putting emphasis on a hit franchise

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 26 Aug 2020 17:47:44 No.117218179 Report

Quoted By: >>117219189

>>117216923
You disagree? Yikes...

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 26 Aug 2020 17:54:55 No.117218310 Report

Quoted By: >>117219127 >>117219525

>>117217339
Your forgetting the whole post infinite crisis era

We had
-Rann-Thanagar War
-The Lobo/Starfire/Adam Strange/Animal Man adventures in 52
-Countdown to Adventure
-Mystery in Space
-Rann-Thanagar: Holy War
-R.E.B.E.L.S.
-Strange Adventures

I would say it just didn’t catch on like Annihilation did, maybe for a lack of a compelling Big Bad, maybe it was just a lack of advertising compared to all the other stuff going on at the time, or maybe they needed to plan out the storyLine a little better

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 26 Aug 2020 17:58:11 No.117218382 Report

Quoted By: >>117218782

>>117216432
>keith giffen suspiciously absent from this post despite writing Annihilation and setting up the DnA GotG team

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 26 Aug 2020 18:20:50 No.117218782 Report

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>>117218382
Giffen deserves so much credit, but fucking retards forget he even exists. Him and Wein deserve to be looked at as fondly as Moore.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 26 Aug 2020 18:38:28 No.117219111 Report

Quoted By: >>117219355 >>117219405

>>117217397

Define "worked"? Johns GL stuff is terrible.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 26 Aug 2020 18:39:30 No.117219127 Report

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>>117218310

I mean, marvel cosmic only lasted about 3 years before folding, so it's about the same.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 26 Aug 2020 18:42:31 No.117219189 Report

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>>117218179
No, you idiot? I clearly didn't. But I doubt there's a correlation, and now I'm sure there isn't. You just got triggered when someone went

>"DC's space side is lacking."
>"B-buh-but Marvel's magic side is lacking for the same reason! Checkmate, Disneycucks!"

You went out of your way to try to make one major corporations funnybooks look better by bitching about something totally irrelevant. I wanted to hear more of your opinion, if any of it was based in actual evidence, but honestly I think you should just kill yourself.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 26 Aug 2020 18:51:20 No.117219355 Report

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>>117219111
I mean not really, his GL run is incredibly popular both in and out of the comic community

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 26 Aug 2020 18:54:10 No.117219405 Report

Quoted By: >>117220589

>>117219111
Johns' GL was bigger than Batman at the time. It was one of the few runs that actually got kneecapped by New 52 (alongside Morrison's Batman).

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 26 Aug 2020 19:01:10 No.117219525 Report

Quoted By: >>117219716

>>117218310

Marvel cosmic died and was only revived because of the GOTG movie going into production. DC never made a cosmic movie. That's it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 26 Aug 2020 19:14:22 No.117219716 Report

Quoted By: >>117220508

>>117219525
What does that have to do with what I said? I was just saying there was an effort to work on the cosmic DC aside from GL but it just didn’t take off like Annihilation did

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 26 Aug 2020 19:51:52 No.117220367 Report

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>>117217487
just one of many bad decisions from the 2000s really

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 26 Aug 2020 19:58:52 No.117220508 Report

Quoted By: >>117220698

>>117219716

Yes it did. The two eras lasted about as long, give or take a year. Then both died, and marvel's came back because of a movie.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 26 Aug 2020 20:00:30 No.117220530 Report

Quoted By: >>117220536 >>117222790

>>117216157
What? DC cosmic is significantly better than Marvel cosmic.
Like, that’s not even debatable.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 26 Aug 2020 20:00:47 No.117220536 Report

Quoted By: >>117222790

>>117220530
NOOOOOOOOO BUT WHAT ABOUT MY ANNIHILATION

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Anonymous Wed 26 Aug 2020 20:03:21 No.117220589 Report

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>>117219405
>Johns' GL was bigger than Batman at the time.

Not just Batman, but everyone. Hal was front and center for a lot of promotional material in that time period because he was literally the top selling book every month for a while.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 26 Aug 2020 20:04:51 No.117220622 Report

Quoted By: >>117220874

>>117217608
>The scraps of creation

And nothing came out of it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 26 Aug 2020 20:10:00 No.117220698 Report

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>>117220508
Anon, I bought both Annihilation and the Lady Styx stuff so I know, it may have lasted as long but it definitely wasn’t as popular or as widely talked about. It’s unfair but it’s true.

Also side note, Captain Comet was fucking awesome during that era and I’m still mad nothing was done with him until that weird space school in Supergirl

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 26 Aug 2020 20:19:30 No.117220874 Report

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>>117220622
Because the book was terrible and there was a pencils down order put out a matter of months after its release.

Nevertheless, it's still the most recent explanation of how magic works in DC, as told by their current darling writer, former CCO of DC Entertainment and in a book that was supposed to be the jewel in the crown of DC's 2019 line, spinning off from the bestselling GN of all time. So you can't exactly sweep what it says under the rug because nobody's followed up on it in the, what, three months DC have been up and running since it was made?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 26 Aug 2020 20:24:36 No.117220966 Report

Quoted By: >>117221253

>>117216157
Marvel's cosmic scene took a nosedive after Annihilation Conquest ended and nobody was around to keep the quality up. DC's hasn't been much better but Marvel cosmic is such a mess right now with unkillable gods and concepts dead or shuffled around and then forgotten. What's even going on with Watcher Fury?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 26 Aug 2020 20:40:07 No.117221253 Report

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>>117220966

Marvel cosmic became truly garbage once Bendis was given free reign, but people like Aaron aren't helping

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Anonymous Wed 26 Aug 2020 20:44:31 No.117221334 Report

Quoted By: >>117221448

>>117216157
I think the more important question is will Giffen or Abnett ever write cosmic marvel again.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 26 Aug 2020 20:49:52 No.117221448 Report

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>>117221334
Please don't. The book is so hyped to the point of legendary status that anything new will never bring happiness. Also Marvel's current status quo is also shit. I've been disappointed in Ewing's event book.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 26 Aug 2020 21:03:51 No.117221726 Report

Quoted By: >>117222011 >>117222053

>>117216897
Marvel has better horror comics than DC

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 26 Aug 2020 21:20:39 No.117222011 Report

Quoted By: >>117223251

>>117221726
man thing and.....

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 26 Aug 2020 21:22:47 No.117222053 Report

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>>117221726
By horror you mean gore shit, a ps2 game such as Dead Space 1 is scarier than any Marvel/DC story ever published.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 26 Aug 2020 21:25:57 No.117222110 Report

Quoted By: >>117222324

>>117216226
What has survived Bendis?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 26 Aug 2020 21:36:15 No.117222324 Report

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>>117222110
Everything he touches dies

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 26 Aug 2020 21:56:53 No.117222717 Report

Quoted By: >>117222795 >>117222812 >>117222890 >>117222960 >>117223388

What's essential DC cosmic other than GL and Fourth World?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 26 Aug 2020 22:01:07 No.117222790 Report

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>>117220530
>>117220536
I see that AT&T still didn't cut the founds for the shill force.

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Anonymous Wed 26 Aug 2020 22:01:31 No.117222795 Report

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>>117222717
various LoSH for future stuff.
L.E.G.I.O.N. for contemporary stuff from 1989

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 26 Aug 2020 22:02:10 No.117222812 Report

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>>117222717
None, that's the point of the thread.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 26 Aug 2020 22:05:38 No.117222880 Report

Quoted By: >>117222916

>>117216897
>Justice league dark
Yikes

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 26 Aug 2020 22:06:16 No.117222890 Report

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>>117222717
Legion of Super Heroes (avoid Bendis run)
L.E.G.I.O.N.
Lobo
Hawkman
Adam Strange

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 26 Aug 2020 22:07:27 No.117222916 Report

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>>117222880
I mean prior to them doing JLD they had some good horror stuff also you have Hill House Comics

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 26 Aug 2020 22:10:10 No.117222960 Report

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>>117222717
Twilight

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 26 Aug 2020 22:18:56 No.117223120 Report

Quoted By: >>117223248

Imagine if someone other than fucking Bendis was writing the current UP arc in Superman. It has potential, but it should be a much more intricate arc than his simplistic "Superman and a bunch of alleged time travellers said it was fine" approach.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 26 Aug 2020 22:25:25 No.117223248 Report

Quoted By: >>117223372

>>117223120
Bendis is desperate to create a seminal run that’ll define Supes legacy for years to come, and it just keeps falling flat

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 26 Aug 2020 22:25:37 No.117223251 Report

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>>117222011
Werewolf by Night, Tomb of Dracula, Tales of Zombie, Morbius, Adventures into Unknown, many Journey into mystery stories, Monsters Unleashed, Crypt of Shadows, fuck even Marvel Zombies being such a big thing

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 26 Aug 2020 22:32:05 No.117223372 Report

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>>117223248
He loves to try to make major changes to things, and it's like he gets an extra kick out of making changes that go against what the fans want and being gleeful about it on Twitter or in interviews.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 26 Aug 2020 22:33:26 No.117223388 Report

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>>117222717
Johns Action Comics run has some good cosmic stuff like Bizarro World, Brainiac and his Legion story it also leads into New Krypton

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