>>115722439I'm talking more about the sudden schizphrenia (because it was 2000, if that storyline happened today it would probably be bpd lol). Like Jay dropped a line saying implying they did all they could cause he was just born bad, Midnite dropping his catholicism by saying Todd needs to respect/love thy father when that was his issue, shit like that.
>>115722399>>115722439Old google groups and I wanna say comicbloc (but that place has been database error'd on/off for the past year and was really hard to search on anyway) was where I remember reading the rumors (same with the Sandy was meant to be gay thing). DC forums were purged a long time ago so it doesn't even matter if they were there too.
But IIRC Robinson/Goyer originally wanted Obsidian to mostly just be manipulated by Ian Karkull after having a breakdown based more on his inner conflicts about being abused (physical/emotional/retconning in implied sexually, sounds like Robinson lol) and being gay. Nobody else was really paying enough attention to him to help him because Alan was too busy with Kyle and Jade, jade was too busy with being GL and with Kyle, etc. I think the rumor also stated it was more of a suicide by cop thing too, building off that shitty JLA run where he tried to kill himself but couldn't and stated that Alan was gonna be the one to kill Ian, but those I'm less confident in my memory of that part so don't quote me about that.
Then Robinson left and Johns watered it down and had Todd kill Ian and become big bad because ???
