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Anonymous Mon 25 May 00:34:51 2020 No.115215739 View Reply Original Report

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Do you like the Joker as a sympathetic character?

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Anonymous Mon 25 May 2020 01:18:17 No.115216692 Report

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Oh yes, I love him

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Anonymous Mon 25 May 2020 01:19:56 No.115216731 Report

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Was this movie called something else originally?

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Anonymous Mon 25 May 2020 01:21:05 No.115216749 Report

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Anonymous Mon 25 May 2020 01:22:20 No.115216776 Report

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>>115215739
Not the way this film did it. Arthur Joker is shit because he's already nutty, and his entire life was shit.

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Anonymous Mon 25 May 2020 01:22:40 No.115216783 Report

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>>115215739
No.
I prefer not knowing anything about his past, and just having him by a psycho.

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Anonymous Mon 25 May 2020 01:25:57 No.115216848 Report

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>>115216731
It was a Joker movie project 2 years prior development so no.

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Anonymous Mon 25 May 2020 01:27:11 No.115216869 Report

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I liked the movie, I believe most alternative takes on a character have a potential to be cool and interesting, but they also should be contained in one-off elseworlds. Mainstream Joker should stay as he was before.

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Anonymous Mon 25 May 2020 01:33:57 No.115217017 Report

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>>115215739
No, but that's not the Joker, so whatever.

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Anonymous Mon 25 May 2020 01:36:08 No.115217061 Report

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>>115215739
He's not sympathetic, he's a pathetic simp

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Anonymous Mon 25 May 2020 02:06:56 No.115217641 Report

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>>115217061
So he's simpathetic?

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Anonymous Mon 25 May 2020 02:42:15 No.115218321 Report

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>>115217641
boooo

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Anonymous Mon 25 May 2020 02:43:56 No.115218352 Report

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>>115217641
Even the joker would be disappointed such a simple joke.

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Anonymous Mon 25 May 2020 02:46:23 No.115218398 Report

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I don't know if I'd call him The Joker nor if I'd call him sympathetic, but he was wonderfully deranged and I liked the character.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 May 2020 02:46:24 No.115218399 Report

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>>115216731
No, contrarians with with no reading comprehension just think it was

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Anonymous Mon 25 May 2020 02:47:26 No.115218424 Report

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>>115218352
rhetorically, jokes are appeals to pathos, so that was literally simplepathetic

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Anonymous Mon 25 May 2020 02:50:01 No.115218480 Report

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>>115217641
no

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Anonymous Mon 25 May 2020 02:52:01 No.115218527 Report

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>>115218399
I don't think it's anything about contrarianism, the film is far more like a more insane, more deranged take on Taxi Driver than it is similar to any other comic book movie. Not even in a "not muh Joker" way. I can see where people come up with "guy wanted to make story X but studio only allowed it if it involved a popular franchise" theories, even if that's a bit simplistic of an explanation.

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Anonymous Mon 25 May 2020 02:53:09 No.115218553 Report

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>>115215739
I love Arthur

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Anonymous Mon 25 May 2020 02:55:26 No.115218607 Report

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>>115218527
Not being like a comic book movie was the point the director wanted. The contrarianism I'm talking about is the thoroughly shilled lie that the movie was originally supposed to be something else, but WB thought it was horrible and would bomb so they ordered reshoots so it could be a joker movie

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Anonymous Mon 25 May 2020 02:55:29 No.115218611 Report

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>>115218527
The movie is super similar to Moore backstory, in fact closer to the source than most capeshit movies.

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Anonymous Mon 25 May 2020 03:00:44 No.115218727 Report

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>>115218611
The only movie actually nearly identical to the comics afair is Snyder Watchmen and even so there is some clear differences.

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Anonymous Mon 25 May 2020 03:00:58 No.115218731 Report

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>>115218611
Oh, no, don't get me wrong, there are definitely plenty of COMICS that have similar tone, story, and character. Ample, actually. But not any ones super recent and not in-line with comic movies. I just think it threw a lot of people for a loop and they're looking for an "aha!" moment type explanation.

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Anonymous Mon 25 May 2020 03:06:09 No.115218846 Report

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>>115218607
Well, I just think the reason it's shilled so successfully is because a lot of people find it easy to believe. And that, ulterior motive or not, that theory was always going to percolate.

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Anonymous Mon 25 May 2020 03:09:04 No.115218908 Report

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>>115218846
Actually it's not when you know that the Joker movie plans were public ever since they started discussing it, this movie production was never a secret so the theory is completelly impossible.

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Anonymous Mon 25 May 2020 03:13:41 No.115219029 Report

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>>115218908
This, plus the simple fact that during filming Phoenix lost an unhealthy amount of weight, so reshoots not only did not happen, but would be impossible to sneak in.

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Anonymous Mon 25 May 2020 03:14:57 No.115219058 Report

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>>115218908
What do google'able facts have to do with anything? You should know better than this.

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Anonymous Mon 25 May 2020 03:18:33 No.115219136 Report

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>>115217061
the word has truly lost all meaning

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Anonymous Mon 25 May 2020 03:20:34 No.115219173 Report

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It'd be nice if people put some work into properties that haven't been done to death.

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Anonymous Mon 25 May 2020 03:23:00 No.115219225 Report

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>>115217641
i lose

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Anonymous Mon 25 May 2020 03:23:44 No.115219241 Report

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>>115219173
This.
I'd be perfectly happy with a Babylon 5 remake. But nooooooooooooooooo, we need to remake the remake of the remake of Star Trek the Motion Picture.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 May 2020 03:24:53 No.115219272 Report

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>>115215739
im actually curious about something. Would a sequel revolve around a young Batman fighting against the age-experienced Joker? Who would we root for?

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Anonymous Mon 25 May 2020 03:24:53 No.115219273 Report

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>>115219241
Sure. Babylon 5 is based on worlds' worth of information. Shit, so is Star Trek. You've got to be able to do something with that.

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Anonymous Mon 25 May 2020 03:26:18 No.115219317 Report

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>>115219272
You're not supposed to be rooting for Arthur. It's like Breaking Bad, being the protagonist isn't the same as being the hero.

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Anonymous Mon 25 May 2020 03:54:51 No.115220080 Report

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>>115216776
The "One Bad Day" meme was overrated shit. Even within the implications of TKJ itself, his life WAS already trash, and it just took one exceptionally over-the-top shitshow of circumstances to drive him over the edge. A preexisting condition is frankly necessary to make him at all plausible, even if that's just being a deeply unhappy and struggling through life with intense, though nevertheless mundane domestic anxieties.

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Anonymous Mon 25 May 2020 04:04:51 No.115220393 Report

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>>115219272
A sequel would probably explore how Batman can fix the problems that created the Joker. I'd imagine this Batman would be much more of an antihero

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Anonymous Mon 25 May 2020 04:55:01 No.115221557 Report

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>>115219317
Fuck you I can root for whoever I want

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Anonymous Mon 25 May 2020 04:57:52 No.115221604 Report

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>>115216731
The Prankster

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Anonymous Mon 25 May 2020 04:59:38 No.115221635 Report

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>>115221604
No no, it was called The Punner

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Anonymous Mon 25 May 2020 05:02:18 No.115221689 Report

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>>115217641
yukyukyuk

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Anonymous Mon 25 May 2020 07:26:17 No.115223686 Report

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>>115215739
Is there a comic that has a familiar feel to the movie? I don't know anything about the origins of joker so that's an obvious candidate. Is there anything outside Batman tho?

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Anonymous Mon 25 May 2020 07:30:28 No.115223727 Report

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>>115217641
you forgot this

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Anonymous Mon 25 May 2020 07:40:25 No.115223820 Report

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>>115215739
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3wCYi3EbNnA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dyi0ZcEyBNE

The joker is not either sympathetic of unsympathetic. Because he is a reflection of society. The joker changes over time to represent societies view of criminality. If you look at any joker from any era he is a characterization of the shadow of humanity during that time period. That's why he varies from appearance to appearance. If he seems sympathetic in his most recent incarnation it is because we ourselves are starting to view the Lumpenproles as sympathetic.

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