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Anonymous Tue 19 May 00:38:43 2020 No.115072504 View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>115073186 >>115074569 >>115075077 >>115076685 >>115079241

Is the encoding on Avatar awful on Netflx or have I been blind this whole time?
There's screan tearing, bad interlacing, and weird artifacts. I'm fine with it not being HD but this is insane. Has anyone else experienced this?

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Anonymous Tue 19 May 2020 00:51:23 No.115072744 Report

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bump, I feel crazy

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Anonymous Tue 19 May 2020 01:11:05 No.115073123 Report

Quoted By: >>115073437 >>115079545

I know the first few episodes are bad, but I didn't think they were that bad.

Pic related is from Furi's fan upscale.

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Anonymous Tue 19 May 2020 01:12:43 No.115073156 Report

Quoted By: >>115073221 >>115073437

Here's a screenshot from the dvd. It seems they didn't bother trying to treat the early episodes like Furi did.

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Anonymous Tue 19 May 2020 01:13:46 No.115073186 Report

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>>115072504
Avatar's back on Netflix??

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Anonymous Tue 19 May 2020 01:14:23 No.115073200 Report

Quoted By: >>115073357 >>115073437

The Netflix version of Avatar is definitely ugly and is not just a problem with your internet connection or some shit

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Anonymous Tue 19 May 2020 01:14:58 No.115073221 Report

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>>115073156
Furi version

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Anonymous Tue 19 May 2020 01:21:09 No.115073357 Report

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>>115073186
Yeah, it's to build hype for the live action show

>>115073200
I'm pretty sure they just uploaded some worker's home VHS copies of the show.

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Anonymous Tue 19 May 2020 01:24:29 No.115073437 Report

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>>115073123
>>115073156
>>115073200
>>115073221
>>115073357
ok I'm glad I'm not insane. I'm surprised I haven't seen anyone else complaining about it, it's a glaring issue.

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Anonymous Tue 19 May 2020 01:41:12 No.115073793 Report

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>>115073437
A lot of folks on twitter and such have complained about it, so it's entirely on netflix's side.

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Anonymous Tue 19 May 2020 01:44:58 No.115073879 Report

Quoted By: >>115074021

Is there a mega of this show's blu rays?

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Anonymous Tue 19 May 2020 01:51:49 No.115074021 Report

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>>115073879
I thought those were also poorly encoded?

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Anonymous Tue 19 May 2020 01:54:48 No.115074080 Report

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>>115074021
i have no idea. then what's the best option? i really want to rewatch this.

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Anonymous Tue 19 May 2020 01:55:51 No.115074110 Report

Quoted By: >>115074154

>Series releases in HD
>Five years down the road, every episode is poor quality
Why does it keep happening?

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Anonymous Tue 19 May 2020 01:56:46 No.115074126 Report

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>>115074080
I don't know, that's why I started the thread. I've been digging around for the last twenty minutes and it seems most sources for the first season are godawful (though the netflix one is worse than most), but a good source did exist at somepoint. If I find anything good I'll post it in here.

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Anonymous Tue 19 May 2020 01:57:18 No.115074147 Report

Quoted By: >>115074198 >>115074203 >>115079854

>>115074080
>>115074126
Get the fanmade 1080p upscale
The official bluray is based off a standard definition source, and looks like ass.

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Anonymous Tue 19 May 2020 01:57:45 No.115074154 Report

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>>115074110
I could blame the pandemic causing fewer employees on hand to ensure QC, but honestly that's a stretch given that HD elements or upscales were clearly available if you could buy the series on BD already.

Maybe Nick got lazy.

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Anonymous Tue 19 May 2020 01:59:53 No.115074198 Report

Quoted By: >>115074304 >>115075071

>>115074147
Are there any comparisons between the 1080p upscale and the BD?
I saw a long time ago that there were issues with the fan upscale, since they were based on the DVDs and inherited some of the problems that were on the DVDs and within the upscaling process. Is this a second, improved upscale or the same as before?

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Anonymous Tue 19 May 2020 02:00:00 No.115074203 Report

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>>115074147
is that from the upscale? If so, I'll watch that, it looks great

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Anonymous Tue 19 May 2020 02:04:03 No.115074297 Report

Quoted By: >>115074344 >>115074474 >>115075071

I fucking hate the fan upscale, you’re essentially having a computer redraw the frames, ruins the backgrounds and linework and it’s also no longer representative of what the animators actually drew.
I have not watched the Netflix version but the Blu-ray looks fine by me considering the source limitations, at least you’re watching the actual show.
All blame goes to Nick though for not willing to pay to produce the series in HD in the first place even though CN and Disney had already switched their pipelines to HD years before A:TLA was made

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Anonymous Tue 19 May 2020 02:04:20 No.115074304 Report

Quoted By: >>115074367 >>115074474 >>115075071

>>115074198
>>115074203
There is a smaller resolution fan upscale, and then there's the 1080p fan upscale. Both were based off the DVD's as a source, however the 1080p version used newer technologies.
http://www.framecompare.com/image-compare/screenshotcomparison/JC0CNNNU
https://imgur.com/a/3z91TqP
The blu-rays may win over in original shots with huge artifacts. However, if the source was originally clear, then the fan upscale wins.

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Anonymous Tue 19 May 2020 02:06:10 No.115074344 Report

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>>115074297
The fan upscale is really nice, but if you want the true original artistry, even if it was based off of standard definition source, the official blu-rays are quite clear.
Als

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Anonymous Tue 19 May 2020 02:07:17 No.115074367 Report

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>>115074304
So, in the end the best answer is probably to create an amalgam of the three different HD versions (2011, 2017, Blu-ray) and color-correct based on the DVDs.

What audio does the Blu-ray include?

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Anonymous Tue 19 May 2020 02:11:02 No.115074472 Report

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>>115074367
Blu-ray audio is 24/48 lossless stereo
IIRC the mix is Pro-Logic compatible (as are most professional stereo mixes from the past 35 years) but there’s never been an actual discrete surround mix

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Anonymous Tue 19 May 2020 02:11:09 No.115074474 Report

Quoted By: >>115074553

>>115074297
>>115074304
>>115074344
was the show not originally broadcast in SD? Or was it broadcast in SD formatting with HD visuals?

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Anonymous Tue 19 May 2020 02:13:47 No.115074539 Report

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>>115074472
Ah, thanks. Just curious.

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Anonymous Tue 19 May 2020 02:14:20 No.115074553 Report

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>>115074474
It was produced and broadcast in SD 4:3 and evidently whatever production files Nick has aren’t enough to re-export the show in somewhat true HD like WB was able to do with Samurai Jack, the Blu-rays are upscales from finished 480 production masters and it seems like that’s the best we’ll ever get

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Anonymous Tue 19 May 2020 02:14:52 No.115074569 Report

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>>115072504
It's mostly just the first couple of episodes for some reason

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Anonymous Tue 19 May 2020 02:15:33 No.115074592 Report

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>>115074553
I'm fine with the 4:3 aspect ratio, but the shit quality visuals?
Life is pain, I hate

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Anonymous Tue 19 May 2020 02:31:57 No.115074906 Report

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Just looked into it, Netflix copies are definitely the same 2011 encodes they’ve been using in other countries all these years and not sourced from the Blu-ray masters. They look about a hundred times worse than the BDs
I feel bad for streamplebs right now

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Anonymous Tue 19 May 2020 02:38:58 No.115075039 Report

Quoted By: >>115075063 >>115075071

Does uploading Avatar to Netflix mean that the live action is close to completion?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 19 May 2020 02:40:00 No.115075063 Report

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>>115075039
No, as far as has been said they’re still in pre-production and have not filmed anything, and obviously it’ll be a while before they can

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Anonymous Tue 19 May 2020 02:40:21 No.115075071 Report

Quoted By: >>115075188 >>115075257

>>115074198
>>115074203
>>115074297
>>115074304
The 1080p fan upscale is the worse of the two for most of Season 1 and the first 4 episodes of Season 2. But after that, it's pretty much a toss up. Official one is pretty good but the fan remaster does make some shots look better with the techniques used to make the linework look crisper. The biggest issue with the fan remaster is that it ruins or at least hurts the detail on the background artwork in some shots.

http://www.framecompare.com/image-compare/screenshotcomparison/99JBCNNU

http://www.framecompare.com/image-compare/screenshotcomparison/77DDLNNX

>>115075039
The live action show isn't even filming yet. It was announced very early into pre-production.

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Anonymous Tue 19 May 2020 02:40:39 No.115075077 Report

Quoted By: >>115075168

>>115072504
glad I wasn't the only one. I legit thought my internet was broken. Like no way does this look this bad.

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Anonymous Tue 19 May 2020 02:44:56 No.115075168 Report

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>>115075077
Maybe it's deliberate by Netflix? Didn't they throttle the connection with Europe due to everyone being home and using the service at the same time? Maybe from now on they're only gonna upload shitty rips of shows to save on bandwidth.

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Anonymous Tue 19 May 2020 02:46:01 No.115075188 Report

Quoted By: >>115075238

>>115075071
why the fuck did they not use the blu-ray quality for netflix? I'd prefer slightly-blurry lines over horrible aliasing with weird artifacts everywhere.

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Anonymous Tue 19 May 2020 02:48:18 No.115075238 Report

Quoted By: >>115075338 >>115075364

>>115075188
Who knows. Amazon got the BluRay versions so it's not to avoid losing BluRay sales. Could just be Nickelodeon being their shitty selves.

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Anonymous Tue 19 May 2020 02:48:41 No.115075250 Report

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>paying to watch a show that can streamed for free or easily torrented

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Anonymous Tue 19 May 2020 02:48:55 No.115075257 Report

Quoted By: >>115075292 >>115075347

>>115075071
Thanks for the additional comparisons.
I wish I had the hard drive space to actually pursue an actual "Quality Cut" project.

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Anonymous Tue 19 May 2020 02:50:28 No.115075292 Report

Quoted By: >>115075364

>>115075257
anon, I believe in you
I mainly believe because I have no other options

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Anonymous Tue 19 May 2020 02:52:24 No.115075338 Report

Quoted By: >>115075449

>>115075238
god fucking damn it, I don't even know where to complain to. Even if it goes through (and assuming they even acknowledge the issue), it'll take months before anything is fixed. Same fucking thing with the Simpsons on Disney+.

Who the fuck puts these people in charge of television?

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Anonymous Tue 19 May 2020 02:52:50 No.115075347 Report

Quoted By: >>115075364 >>115075554

>>115075257
You're welcome.

You could try getting an portable HD. I store basically all of my stuff on a 4TB WD MyPassport or something like that. Either way if you eventually get to the point where you can create that, I believe in you.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 19 May 2020 02:53:31 No.115075364 Report

Quoted By: >>115075554

>>115075238
>Could just be Nickelodeon being their shitty selves.
It's possible. Viacom/CBS announced a new streaming service in February, and obviously Netflix doesn't have exclusive rights, so it's possible that Viacom was like "Ehh, we'll have it in HD; you can have it in SD, bitches."

>>115075292
>>115075347
Believe all you want; I'm genuinely running out of hard drive space on my computer. Then again, it might not be more than 500GB. I'll have to look into it, I suppose.

Got a link to the 1080p encodes?

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Anonymous Tue 19 May 2020 02:56:58 No.115075449 Report

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>>115075338
A:TLA has been available on Netflix in many other countries for years and years, in fact I think you probably have to go back a decade to find a time where it wasn't on the service somewhere in the world.
I personally believe that NF is just using the same copies they've always had because no one at Viacom has cared enough to bother officially deploying new files to replace the old ones.

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Anonymous Tue 19 May 2020 03:01:28 No.115075554 Report

Quoted By: >>115075648

>>115075347
>>115075364
Never mind; I found the 1080p fan encodes.
Now to look for the BDs. I can find rips easily, but I'd prefer to get the full discs if possible.

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Anonymous Tue 19 May 2020 03:06:11 No.115075648 Report

Quoted By: >>115075707

>>115075554
Remuxes are on RuTracker, not the full ISOs but identical quality

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Anonymous Tue 19 May 2020 03:08:58 No.115075707 Report

Quoted By: >>115075783

>>115075648
That's what I saw at first. I figured I'd have to grab those but I was hoping the whole discs may have been somewhere. I suppose I can work with them, though.

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Anonymous Tue 19 May 2020 03:12:28 No.115075783 Report

Quoted By: >>115076081 >>115076128

>>115075707
forum.snahp.it has the complete Bluray I think

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Anonymous Tue 19 May 2020 03:27:22 No.115076081 Report

Quoted By: >>115076254

>>115075783
>Registration is disabled
Bummer.
I'll work with the BDRemux for now, though it turns out I was right about having zero hard drive space for those files. I may have to work a season at a time.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 19 May 2020 03:29:37 No.115076128 Report

Quoted By: >>115076254

>>115075783
That site is so annoying though. You can't even get the link for stuff without first "liking" the post. What kind of fucked up system is that?

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Anonymous Tue 19 May 2020 03:34:18 No.115076224 Report

Quoted By: >>115079291

How is Korra's story important if it's not on netflix?

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Anonymous Tue 19 May 2020 03:35:45 No.115076254 Report

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>>115076081
Shit, forgot that they did that.

>>115076128
I think it's an extra layer of protection against takedowns? Not sure. But since Kametsu killed off their links forum and mega links died, that site(and snahp.it) are my best bets because my ISP doesn't like torrents.

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Anonymous Tue 19 May 2020 03:56:25 No.115076685 Report

Quoted By: >>115077055

>>115072504
Fuck the dykes running Nick, won't even be fucked to upscale spongebob

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 19 May 2020 04:15:20 No.115077055 Report

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>>115076685
But haven't a couple of the early seasons been released in 1080p?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 19 May 2020 04:20:00 No.115077116 Report

Quoted By: >>115077579 >>115082080

So the SD release has artifacts or something?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 19 May 2020 04:23:13 No.115077172 Report

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It looks like early 00s DVD quality. Some 480i shit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 19 May 2020 04:44:53 No.115077579 Report

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>>115077116
Yeah, the broadcast masters (which is where the DVD, early digital releases, and Netflix are sourced) have some mastering errors in the early episodes that make them even worse than a typical sub-standard interlaced SD encode, worst part being a lot of line doubling/ghosting.
The production files don’t have that issue to anywhere near the same extreme and they used those to do the HD upscale for the Blu-rays

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Anonymous Tue 19 May 2020 06:17:43 No.115079241 Report

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>>115072504
I’ve been asking the same question because it looks like shit on my 4K tv and last I checked they had released an HD Blu-Ray set so why are we stuck with piss poor quality episodes

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Anonymous Tue 19 May 2020 06:20:55 No.115079291 Report

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>>115076224
is it kind of wrong that I love E;R

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Anonymous Tue 19 May 2020 06:38:01 No.115079545 Report

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>>115073123
>A fan made version looks better than the official version

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Anonymous Tue 19 May 2020 06:57:31 No.115079854 Report

Quoted By: >>115080601

>>115074147
A fanmade upscale would also be based on a standard definition source though. The official release is upscaled as well, but that's because the series was mastered in SD.

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Anonymous Tue 19 May 2020 07:48:48 No.115080601 Report

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>>115079854
No shit nigger

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>>115077116
Yes

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