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Anonymous Mon 23 Dec 22:30:10 2019 No.112130500 View Reply Original Report

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Is Ian going to voice Sheev in the final season and if he is even in it, will they somehow force the new movies plot shit into it?

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Anonymous Mon 23 Dec 2019 22:31:46 No.112130525 Report

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>>112130500
>"Even if this plan fails, I'll have my FIRST and FINAL ORDER ready to pick up the pieces... also all that shit from the videogame!"

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Anonymous Mon 23 Dec 2019 22:36:53 No.112130609 Report

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So what's the deal with Sheev in the new movie? It's left ambiguous if he's even the real Sheev but it's implied that the one we see is dead but his soul is somehow animating his own body?

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Anonymous Mon 23 Dec 2019 22:37:11 No.112130621 Report

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>>112130500
considering the story group openly dislikes JJ, I don't imagine they will. In fact I'm almost certain that in a few years they'll retcon Sheev's return in IX in some way so it doesn't invalidate Anakin's sacrifice in VI.

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Anonymous Mon 23 Dec 2019 22:53:54 No.112130941 Report

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>>112130621
Yeah they hate jj and Lucas and love Rian but everything the rebels worked for being meaningless does subvert expectations

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Anonymous Mon 23 Dec 2019 22:57:11 No.112131002 Report

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>>112130609
Its him. He's a live. No real explanation as to how, other than that vague throw away line from Ep III about the dark side of the force being "unnatural".

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Anonymous Mon 23 Dec 2019 22:59:55 No.112131053 Report

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>>112130941
They're Lucas loyalists. They were surprised that Rian was open to working with them after being snubbed by JJ with TFA.
Rian wasn't the problem, despite TLJ being a mess. The slate he setup where the resistance was crippled, the First Order took a black-eye, and Kylo was the new big-bad could have made for an excellent final film. Instead no-talent JJ and the retard who wrote Batman v Superman decided to just make a worst RotJ.
>>112130609
In my headcanon he was a heavily corrupted clone made by the cultists. Still a threat, and a potential vector for the return of the sith, but not the original Sheev.

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Anonymous Mon 23 Dec 2019 23:02:55 No.112131108 Report

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>>112131053
>Kylo was the new big-bad could have made for an excellent final film.
These contridict esch other. Also Lucas tried to fix ros but they went with the original cut

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Anonymous Mon 23 Dec 2019 23:11:26 No.112131286 Report

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>>112131108
Is it actually known specifically what happened in the Lucas cut? Apparently he ghost-wrote and directed a substantial amount of content that Kathleen Kennedy and Bob Iger didn't even end up using.

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Anonymous Mon 23 Dec 2019 23:15:40 No.112131365 Report

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>>112131286
Luke coming back from the dead

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Anonymous Mon 23 Dec 2019 23:22:52 No.112131471 Report

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>>112130621
This is info from a supposed LucasFilm leaker on Reddit so who knows if it's true.

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Anonymous Mon 23 Dec 2019 23:24:33 No.112131506 Report

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>>112130621
>It was all a dream.

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Anonymous Mon 23 Dec 2019 23:26:13 No.112131543 Report

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Regarding what Lucas would have made there are some places that say it would have been centered around the Whills connected to the Force and Luke would be in a similar position on an island after a student massacred his school or some shit and the leads would be a photo Rey but better and a white Finn who was Luke's son and didn't have Force powers.

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Anonymous Mon 23 Dec 2019 23:26:31 No.112131552 Report

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>>112130500
I still can't believe Sheev's message to the galaxy was in Fortnite and not the movie.

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Anonymous Mon 23 Dec 2019 23:27:03 No.112131562 Report

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>>112131506
>episode 10 opens with Luke getting out of the shower and telling his red headed wife what a weird dream he had

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Anonymous Mon 23 Dec 2019 23:27:41 No.112131575 Report

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>>112131471
Isnt it the same guy who basically told everyone exactly what was in the movie weeks before it came out? If so, clearly he knows SOMETHING.

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Anonymous Mon 23 Dec 2019 23:28:06 No.112131582 Report

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What I thought was the story group was filled with people who loved the new characters and wanted to push politics and kill off the old characters.

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Anonymous Mon 23 Dec 2019 23:28:20 No.112131583 Report

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>>112131552
That makes Fortnite canon.

And Rey talking to the kid at the festival makes Galaxy's Edge interactions with children canon.

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Anonymous Mon 23 Dec 2019 23:28:55 No.112131594 Report

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>>112131582
It is. But kennadys incompetence got their sjw directors fired

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Anonymous Mon 23 Dec 2019 23:29:42 No.112131610 Report

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>>112131582
>>112131594
Wasn't part of it also down to cockblocking Lucas out of merchandising royalties?

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Anonymous Mon 23 Dec 2019 23:33:09 No.112131684 Report

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Filoni isn't a part of the story group but I can't imagine he'd be happy that they implied Asohka is dead and is itching to confirm she was alive then and those voices weren't the actual people.

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Anonymous Mon 23 Dec 2019 23:34:33 No.112131717 Report

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Filoni isn't a part of the story group but I can't imagine he'd be happy that they implied Ahsoka is dead and I'd suspect he is itching to confirm she was alive then and those voices weren't the actual people.

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Anonymous Mon 23 Dec 2019 23:35:34 No.112131735 Report

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>>112131717
filoni probably had to force himself into all the meetings about the voices to use for that moment to get ahsoka and kanan in. JJ certainly wouldn't have fucking picked kanan, probably doesn't even know who the character is.

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Anonymous Mon 23 Dec 2019 23:36:45 No.112131760 Report

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>>112131735
More likely JJ's son watched Rebels.

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Anonymous Mon 23 Dec 2019 23:43:59 No.112131910 Report

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>>112131582
>push politics and kill off the old characters.
Did... you guys think they wouldn't kill off old characters? They were all 42 years older than when they started... Fisher AND Mayhew both died during the filming. How long do you expect any of these people to stay around?

They were lucky they even could get Ford to come back, he doesn't give a fuck.

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Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 00:24:38 No.112132546 Report

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Midnight's Edge did a good video today about RoS' production problems and Lucas' involvement in its initial form.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybJSuVcparI

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Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 00:57:36 No.112133116 Report

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>>112130500
None of you have any idea how Star Wars gets made, do you?

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Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 00:59:35 No.112133158 Report

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>>112131717
Oh please, they’d have to go to Filoni just to touch Ashoka.

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Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 01:15:02 No.112133395 Report

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>>112131471
link?

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Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 01:22:26 No.112133494 Report

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>>112132546
>lucasfilm story group hates George Lucas
Does this leak larper not realize most of the story group are old lucasfilm alumni? Leland Chee is on it ffs.

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Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 01:23:16 No.112133507 Report

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>>112131717
Filoni is either fine with her dying by then, or will say she just sensed the moment and added her voice from... wherever. Because she's magic.

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Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 01:37:12 No.112133726 Report

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>>112132546
Assuming this is true, I kind of get why Disney wouldn't want RoS' villain being from The Clone Wars TV show since proportionately few of thr audience tend to watch spinoff stuff.

Why is it that Japan really seem to be the only ones who like directly putting supplementary material into the mainline series when it comes to media?

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Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 02:17:44 No.112134322 Report

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>>112133494
Yeah but Pablo Hidalgo was also and we know how he is.

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Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 02:19:20 No.112134345 Report

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>>112131002
>>112131053
Somebody said the novelization says he somehow portaled to Exegol when he got yeeted down the shaft. Don't know if it's true though.

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Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 02:27:34 No.112134476 Report

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>>112134322
I actually do not know how he is

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Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 02:31:12 No.112134531 Report

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>>112130500
>tfw tcw season 7 directly and ties into and heavily foreshadows TROS

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Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 02:31:18 No.112134532 Report

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>>112134476
He is a very vocal SJW and probably has you blocked on Twitter if you follow anybody he doesn't like.

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Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 02:34:02 No.112134570 Report

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>>112131575
>Isnt it the same guy who basically told everyone exactly what was in the movie weeks before it came out?

No that's Jedipaxis. His sources aren't from LFL, but someone high up in Abrams's production company.

>>112131471
The one on /r/starwarsspeculation? The guy who insists Abrams consulted Lucas on TROS and that it was originally about Mortis. That guy's full of shit and making up a story that fits our preconceived notions of the BTS for TROS.

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Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 02:38:02 No.112134629 Report

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>>112134476
He is also a Lucasfilm alumni, heavily involved in TCW and Rebels, that other Anon doesn’t know what the fuck he’s talking about.

>>112134532
Don’t you have 400 Rose Tico dolls to microwave or something?

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Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 02:44:51 No.112134731 Report

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ded Sheev
ded cartoon
ded franchise

good riddance

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Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 02:45:00 No.112134737 Report

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bf2tBFfMLMk

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Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 02:50:12 No.112134841 Report

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>>112131552
it's almost impressive how big a disaster TROS is

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Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 02:55:31 No.112134924 Report

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>>112133726
because the Japanese can trust people to read

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Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 02:56:34 No.112134945 Report

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>>112134841
Praying it does sub-1 billion than KK is so going to be fired.

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Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 02:57:47 No.112134966 Report

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>>112134945
it's already opened lower than TLJ. It'll probably still crack a billion but do worse than TLJ in the end, and KK's contract won't be renewed when it runs out in 2021 or whatever.

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Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 04:01:46 No.112135963 Report

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bump

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Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 04:33:36 No.112136377 Report

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>rey 19 in TFA
>order 66 some 40-50 years before TFA
>palpatine had to have had his kids either right before or sometime after becoming the emperor

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Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 04:41:34 No.112136489 Report

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>>112136377
never mind that it makes Luke and Leia in their mid-50s in TFA

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Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 04:48:00 No.112136593 Report

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>>112131910
I figured they'd kill off one or two, like Han made sense, maybe Leia, but I wasn't expecting them to fucking destroy Luke's character then kill him off though.

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Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 04:57:01 No.112136702 Report

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>>112136593
It's so incredibly fucking terrible that nobody at Lucasfilm bothered to raise their head above their own fart clouds and realize what they were doing to Luke. Did absolutely none of them realize that they were ruining Luke Skywalker? You know, one of the most iconic hero-knight characters in the entire history of cinema?

I guarantee that the vast majority of people that hated TLJ hated it for what it did to Luke. Luke is a fucking fixture of pop culture and film history. He's as seminal a figure as Charlie Chaplin and John McClane and Michael Corleone. You don't just fucking dick around with Luke Skywalker. What were they thinking? No, seriously, what were they thinking? I genuinely do not get it.

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Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 05:01:04 No.112136759 Report

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>>112136702
Yeah the biggest problem is that JJ and Rain felt the need to destroy the original characters rather than having them have decent lives with all of the sacrifices retaining meaning and build off of that like the books and comics did before they were made noncanon.

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Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 05:01:29 No.112136762 Report

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>>112136702
He's a straight white male looked up to by millions of male fans, of course they want to tear him down to make Rey look better.

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Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 05:02:55 No.112136787 Report

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Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 05:03:27 No.112136794 Report

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>>112133507
>from... wherever
>forgetting her time in the nexus
Ashoka is the voice of reason for all jedi across time and space. The new cuts of PT will have her whispering along with Qui Gon

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Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 05:04:28 No.112136809 Report

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>>112136702
Yeah the biggest problem is that JJ and Rian felt the need to destroy the original characters rather than having them have decent lives with all of the sacrifices retaining meaning and build off of that like the books and comics did before they were made noncanon.

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Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 05:05:01 No.112136822 Report

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>>112136794
she's out of the nexus by ROTJ

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Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 05:06:01 No.112136833 Report

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>>112136759
>>112136787
>>112136809
am I having a stroke

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Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 05:06:54 No.112136850 Report

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>>112136702
Jaded Luke is the one thing they took from George Lucas.

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Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 05:08:08 No.112136871 Report

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>>112136822
>she wasn't beyond time and space before X
She literally was by virtue of being beyond time and space.

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Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 05:08:28 No.112136876 Report

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>>112136833
It was because the autocorrect kept having it say Rain instead of Rian and I didn't want the point of the post to be discounted because of a silly typo.

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Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 05:08:54 No.112136880 Report

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>>112136377
There's no real problem with it. That chick he was watching a play with in Ep III was his baby momma in the EU. And he had random concubines on Imperial Center.

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Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 05:09:08 No.112136883 Report

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>>112131583
Mate, almost everything in Galaxy’s Edge is canon, even the Cokes. I bet if you shitpost on /co/ while at the park /co/ indirectly becomes canon

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Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 05:10:41 No.112136907 Report

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>>112136880
Except Rey would have been born after the empire fell and we see Emperor Palpatine hunting her for whatever reason

The timeline makes no sense

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Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 05:10:56 No.112136909 Report

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>>112136850
Jaded Luke isn't inherently bad, its how they made him jaded is what's wrong.
Luke was the only one in the whole fucking galaxy who still thought there was good in his father, a man who had spent the last 20 years as a brutal enforcer. He knew there was still a chance for him to be redeemed, how does that fit with TLJ's Luke who senses some darkness in his own nephew and first response is pull the lightsaber out on him?
It just doesnt make sense and goes against his very character.

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Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 05:12:23 No.112136930 Report

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I liked TROS, fight me

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Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 05:13:04 No.112136941 Report

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>>112136907
Rey is Palpatine's granddaughter, not his daughter.

Little about Palpatine in TROS makes sense because they cut out a large swathe of exposition about how basically everything is explained through clones.
>Snoke? clone
>Sheev surviving the Death Star? Clone.
>Rey being related to Palpatine? Clone.

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Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 05:13:22 No.112136950 Report

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>>112136909
Honestly, the RIGHT way to do jaded Luke is for him to be confronted with the potential for Kylo's darkness and just disappear that very night. The mere hint, the mere suggestion, that Luke would draw his saber on Ben is the direct heart of what's awful about it. It's far more likely that Luke would simply refuse to confront Ben at all rather than that he'd contemplate killing him, even for an instant.

And, fuck, that makes the Knights of Ren make more sense, too, because Ben, growing in the Dark Side, would use Luke's abdication to seize control of the academy, and that's where the Knights come from.

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Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 05:13:25 No.112136953 Report

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>>112136909
From what I saw the original Lucas plan was kind of like Old Man Logan where some terrible massacre happened at his Jedi school though he didn't do it he felt responsible because\it was a students.

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Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 05:14:05 No.112136961 Report

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>>112136930
I don't fight the retarded.

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Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 05:14:34 No.112136968 Report

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>>112136930
No you didn't stop lying.

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Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 05:16:07 No.112136987 Report

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Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 05:16:25 No.112136991 Report

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>>112136930
Punching retards is morally wrong.

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Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 05:18:47 No.112137018 Report

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>>112134532
>>112134629
Pablo went private on Twitter

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Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 05:19:42 No.112137032 Report

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>>112137018
he knew the shitstorm that was about to descend on him

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Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 05:20:05 No.112137037 Report

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>>112137018
Coward.

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Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 05:21:22 No.112137048 Report

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>>112136961
>>112136991
Fuck you, TLJ fans

>>112136968
I’m not lying! I promise!

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Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 05:22:31 No.112137067 Report

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>>112136987
Based

>>112137037
M8 considering that Rian got death threats I’d say it’s understandable. And this is coming from someone who has issues with some of TLJ

>>112137032
Yep. Remember when SW was fun for everyone?

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Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 05:24:24 No.112137091 Report

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>>112136377
He had celebratory sex.

Hey everybody, Palpatine got laid!

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Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 05:24:35 No.112137092 Report

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>>112134322
>>112134476
>>112134532
>>112134629
>>112137018
>>112137032
He played a potato at the opera in Revenge of the Sith.

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Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 05:25:31 No.112137101 Report

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>>112137092
That son of a bitch! How could he?!

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Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 05:26:21 No.112137115 Report

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>>112137067
>Yep. Remember when SW was fun for everyone?

You can thank Bob Iger for putting an end to THAT.

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Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 05:26:35 No.112137120 Report

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>>112137092
Have another Pablo work at Lucasfilm please.

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Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 05:27:53 No.112137132 Report

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>>112137091
Yaaaaay!

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Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 05:31:24 No.112137180 Report

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>>112130500
It will be him or Sam WItwer if he's in it as both of the dudes who voiced him in there series before can no longer do it.

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Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 05:41:31 No.112137310 Report

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>>112137120
Why not both?

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Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 05:46:30 No.112137386 Report

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>>112134345
>he somehow portaled to Exegol when he got yeeted down the shaft

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Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 05:50:03 No.112137441 Report

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>>112137386
look, if Ezra can just yoink Ahsoka away from getting Vader'd, anything is on the table

also their explanation for why the Death Star wreckage ended up on some other unrelated moon is literally "Iunno shit went into hyperspace, fuck off"

the actual explanation was cut because test audiences hated it

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Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 05:51:07 No.112137457 Report

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>>112137441
I thought it landed on some place on the planet below endor

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Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 05:52:36 No.112137470 Report

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>>112137441
That spoiler seems to be a recurring thing with these three movies.

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Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 05:54:14 No.112137487 Report

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>>112137457
it landed on another moon of Endor, the ocean moon or something

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Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 05:54:34 No.112137491 Report

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>>112137091
QUICK! What does Sheev yell as he's coming?

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Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 05:55:49 No.112137502 Report

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>>112137491
GOOD GOOD

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Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 05:55:56 No.112137504 Report

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>>112132546
>Midnight's Edge did a good video
Lol ok!

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Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 05:57:03 No.112137518 Report

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>>112137491
he doesn't yell anything, but then he leans in real close and says unnatural

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Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 05:57:54 No.112137530 Report

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>>112137491
or UNLIMITED POWER haha

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Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 05:59:08 No.112137542 Report

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>>112131108
How so?

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Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 06:01:08 No.112137574 Report

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>>112137441
Wasn't the Lucas version of Rise Of Skywalker the most liked version from the test audiences? Could swear I read that somewhere.

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Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 06:02:05 No.112137585 Report

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>>112137067
>Remember when SW was fun for everyone?
Plenty of people (rightfully) whined about RotJ until the prequels came out and everyone (rightfully) complained about those. I even remember when even prequel fans complained about TCW when the show first started. Complaining about Star Wars is nothing new.

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Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 06:02:19 No.112137592 Report

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>>112137574
The version test audiences hated was the version that made Lucas disavow it entirely. The one where Death Star Sheev was a clone.

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Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 06:02:20 No.112137593 Report

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>>112137574
TROS didn't have any test screenings and even if it did, I doubt George's cut would be any better than the final movie we got

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Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 06:12:56 No.112137729 Report

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>>112132546
>Midnight's Edge

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Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 06:15:02 No.112137749 Report

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>>112137491
>YEEEEAAAAAARRRRGGGGGH

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Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 06:21:11 No.112137815 Report

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>>112130621
My hope is dead.

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Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 06:21:25 No.112137817 Report

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>>112137749
>Palpatine even does his ridiculous screech in Battlefront II when you dodge
It's the little things.

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Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 06:26:27 No.112137880 Report

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>>112137504
Their Fant4stic videos were great

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 06:29:06 No.112137914 Report

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>>112137817
They should make a little minigame based on the office fight in ROTS where you play as Sheev and just use ridiculous over the top Force powers to roflstomp all four Jedi Masters. They could make the Cantina Music the soundtrack to it, it would be great.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 06:31:05 No.112137935 Report

Quoted By: >>112137964

>>112134345
Novelization is a few months away though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 06:32:55 No.112137955 Report

Quoted By: >>112138494 >>112138504

>>112137880
That's the period where I last liked their videos. At a certain point it stopped being a fairly informative bunch of videos, and slid into lazy hot takes and boring opinions, which I could get from any number of other shit channels. If they got their shit back in order, great... but no one has any reason to give them a second chance after they got lazy.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 06:33:36 No.112137964 Report

Quoted By: >>112138432

>>112137935
>novelization is a few months away, which gives Disney time to cover their asses and explain away all the plotholes in the movie

They did this with the comic adaptation of TLJ, too.

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Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 07:21:18 No.112138432 Report

Quoted By: >>112138484

>>112137964
>novelization is a few months away, which gives Disney time to cover their asses and explain away all the plotholes in the movie

>They did this with the comic adaptation of TLJ, too.

Adding additional media to cover bad writing and plot holes has been the franchises main strategy for as long as I can remember. I mostly remember it in terms of the prequels but the old expanded universe wasn't much better.
>We wound up doing a new villain with every prequel because we never bothered to plan for the trilogy so each one had a tiny amount of screen time and had next to zero overall plot relevance before dying like a bitch.
>We made the plot revolve around the jedi and the sith with drone armies so the entire galaxy as we know it from the OT are completely uninvolved in the Clone Wars. What were the planets which became part of the rebel alliance doing the whole trilogy? Fuck all. Mon Calamari? Fuck all. The network of smugglers who were a major part of the OT? Fuck all. The people who would become the Galactic Empire leadership who were plainly not clones? Fuck all.
>Also ignore how the protagonists have a brainwashed clone slave army as if nobody in the audience watched Blade Runner.
>Jedi are retards, don't actually help people in the galaxy ever and have zero of the mysticism which they had in the OT.
>But lets not actually address these problems in the movie. Lets just shove all the development for the villains ,dangling plot threads and connecting it to Star Wars into this kids show where everyone looks like a McDonald's toy! Also the Jedi's poor characterization was totally on purpose,they were a declining order even though the movies never brought it up.
They could have saved so much effort if they had a single good editor on the writing for the movies and weren't perpetually in damage control mode.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 07:26:29 No.112138484 Report

Quoted By: >>112138525

>>112138432
>the old expanded universe wasn't much better.
The EU constantly had to retcon itself because it was hard to keep its various parts in line with each other and with the movies. The prequels alone instigated a mass purge/reinterpretation of various stories.

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Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 07:27:02 No.112138494 Report

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>>112137955
They went to shit when they started collabing with MechaRandom42

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Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 07:27:59 No.112138504 Report

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>>112137955
Just ignore their roundtable videos with that one fat neckbeard nd you'll be fine.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 07:30:03 No.112138525 Report

Quoted By: >>112138538 >>112138584 >>112145068

>>112138484
The old EU ideas about what the Clone Wars were like were better than what we actually got, and that includes TCW.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 07:31:51 No.112138538 Report

Quoted By: >>112138953

>>112138525

What were they?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 07:36:29 No.112138584 Report

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>>112138525
The problem with literally every Star Wars movie since the OT is that they keep being made by people who are beyond criticism. Lucas during the OT wasn't the huge force he was during the making of the PT. He wasn't some god, not even by the time ROTJ came out. There were still people at Fox, and even within the actual production staff of the films, who could push back on George, who could tell him "no" and force him to think of different approaches to the story.

During the PT, George was at the height of his powers and nobody could challenge him. During the ST, Disney refused to brook criticism of their approach, whether it was Iger or Kennedy. Nobody could realistically tell anybody in charge of those movies "no", so all the worst ideas came to the forefront.

And what's funny is that when Lucas receives pushback he actually does do a pretty good job with Plan Bs.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 07:50:13 No.112138733 Report

Quoted By: >>112139753

>>112130609
Abrams wanted to use Snoke as the big villain, but the other idiot killed him in the previous movie so Abrams had to revive Sheev, don't try to find logic.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 07:53:37 No.112138770 Report

Quoted By: >>112138933

>>112131543
>Finn is Luke's son
>didn't have Force powers

So he's adopted? 'Cause that melanin could not have come from Luke.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 07:56:57 No.112138805 Report

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>>112137491
Good... GOOOOOOOOD! Now, my work is COMPLETE.

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Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 08:11:03 No.112138933 Report

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>>112138770
Are you illiterate?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 08:13:30 No.112138953 Report

Quoted By: >>112142310 >>112145068

>>112138538
It was a war between the Republic and an army of clones.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 08:18:31 No.112139007 Report

Quoted By: >>112156398 >>112165904

>>112137593
>TROS didn't have any test screenings
Bullshit, shill.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 10:11:58 No.112139753 Report

Quoted By: >>112140435 >>112155549

>>112138733
And idiot two was right to kill Snoke, he should have made it even harder for idiot one to force things into a tired rehash of Return of the Jedi by having the New Republic rally and turn the First Order into a ragged terrorist organization instead of trying to make the good guys the underdogs.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 10:16:04 No.112139773 Report

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>>112136930
I liked it but that's also because I went in just expecting a bunch of cool setpieces and mild attempts at humor without actually delivering anything in terms of a compelling story or characters.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 10:22:34 No.112139803 Report

Quoted By:

>>112137817
>Palpatine's jump attack in Lego Star Wars is the Sheev Spin

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 12:21:18 No.112140435 Report

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>>112139753
He tried to go one step further and wipe the Rebellion/NR completely out of the picture so Trevorrow would have to come up with something new altogether. Considering TLJ's themes and the way the story leaves off, if RJ was in charge of IX, the next stage of the war would likely be a mass populist uprising across the galaxy instead of an uniform movement. It even kind of is in TRoS, with the random civilian fleet rallied by Lando, but it's more like an afterthought because JJ doesn't set it up in any way whatsoever and just wants a big spaceship battle at the end, so he throws it in without thinking.

Enjoy the X-Wings again lmao.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 12:27:27 No.112140461 Report

Quoted By: >>112140760 >>112141402 >>112142529 >>112145519

I kinda liked ROS despite it's flaws.
it was still better than TLJ and TFA for me.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 13:19:22 No.112140756 Report

Quoted By: >>112141734

>>112131053
>They're Lucas loyalists.
That's a lie, they are K.K. loyalists

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 13:20:33 No.112140760 Report

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>>112140461
I agree. Even if he shouldn't be in the movie, Palpatine was entertaining as The Evil Wizard and even though I'd like to see how Ben would work as a more mature solo villain I feel like Adam Driver did a really good job performing the arc he was given.

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Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 13:33:04 No.112140860 Report

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>>112136950
why wouldn't he be tempted? he was a headstrong and brash and impatient brat who was tempted hard in all three films and nearly fell in rotj. having an awful idea and nearly following through with it is 100% in luke's character. he's not jesus

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Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 14:39:22 No.112141402 Report

Quoted By:

>>112140461
Based

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Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 14:43:01 No.112141438 Report

Quoted By:

>>112137574
Kek

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Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 15:13:42 No.112141734 Report

Quoted By: >>112155247 >>112165981

>>112140756
KK is a mercenary, who perhaps had good intentions (the rumored quarrel with Iger/JJ implies so), but wasn't able to give her own employees the security and artistic freedom they needed. But don't claim that the SG are against George. The projects they were most involved in are also the ones most attuned to George's vision and legacy. I wish people could get over not muh Luke and their Rey hateboner for a second and consider what TLJ was actually trying to say in relation to SW's long-standing themes and the questions the prequels raised, because outside of Rogue One, it was the movie most respectful to Lucas in the whole Disney era. It was JJ, whose understanding of Star Wars ends at "fun space adventure" and who flushed everything George's work stood for down the drain.

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Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 16:06:18 No.112142310 Report

Quoted By: >>112142924

>>112138953
Wow, that sounds better. Not!

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Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 16:19:14 No.112142441 Report

Quoted By: >>112142465

>>112130500
I told you. You all laughed at me and called me a spammer. But I told you.

And I was right. Ep IX’s true enemy had yet to reveal himself. And in 2019, he did. You all laughed at me, but no one’s laughing now...

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 16:21:44 No.112142465 Report

Quoted By:

>>112142441
WE’RE SORRY

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Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 16:24:01 No.112142485 Report

Quoted By: >>112142517

>>112130609
I wish they leaned more on the H.R Giger nightmare going on there. It was one of the few saving graces of the movie.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 16:27:40 No.112142517 Report

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>>112142485
I definitely liked that too.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 16:28:47 No.112142529 Report

Quoted By: >>112142986

>>112140461
The best thing this trilogy came up with and actually expanded on was Rey and Kylo's force connection shenanigans. I'm glad TROS was full of that.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 17:01:40 No.112142871 Report

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>>112131552

This is what happens when Disney puts marketing before making good stories... It's their fucking trademark at this point.

Also Fortnite breaks the whole "LONG, LONG TIME AGO IN A GALAXY FAR FAR AWAY" concept which tons of normie idiots don't seem to understand because they think space=future in all contexts.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 17:06:33 No.112142924 Report

Quoted By:

>>112142310
Shut up George

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Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 17:12:00 No.112142986 Report

Quoted By: >>112142999

>>112142529
I like that, if nothing else, they brought the saga full circle with Ben saving Rey, when Anakin couldn't save Padmé. Their scenes were the only ones during which I felt anything while watching the movie.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 17:13:00 No.112142999 Report

Quoted By:

>>112142986
Ben saving Rey was awful

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 17:18:04 No.112143055 Report

Quoted By:

>>112137091
>>112137132
kek

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Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 17:21:07 No.112143090 Report

Quoted By: >>112143197

>>112136377
>His kid was made when Sheev had a prostitute right after Anakin went off to kill those younglings.
>He was having a really good day.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 17:29:31 No.112143197 Report

Quoted By: >>112144358

>>112143090
>Sheev was fucking bitches left and right with his monster face while Vader was floating in a tube crying over his dead wife

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 17:47:01 No.112143421 Report

Quoted By:

>>112134731
No one's ever really gone.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 18:15:06 No.112143795 Report

Quoted By:

>>112137491
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ebplsBcKDG0

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 18:43:38 No.112144168 Report

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>>112136950
I like the version that was floated around to save Luke's character that should've happened, but didn't.
Since Ol'Palpy tells Kylo he's been all the voices inside his head(paraphrasing), it should have been that at Luke's jedi school, Luke sensed a 'dark force' trying to works it's voodoo on Ben and tried to out jedi voodoo it. But, show it was actually Sheevy-deevy doing it, and while Luke was doing jedi force shit to exorcise the demons, ol'papa Palpy used galactic distance sith mind magic to outskill Luke, makeing Ben interpret, or view as an illusion, Luke trying to take his nuclear cheese slicer to him. Then Ben flips his shit and does what he does, further putting him on the path to evil, just as Palpy keikaku'd. All a misunderstanding. The reason for Luke being jaded is that he wasn't as strong as a jedi as he thought, and while he could save his father, he couldn't save his nephew, blames himself and feels partially responsible for everything afterwards.

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Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 18:48:44 No.112144225 Report

Quoted By: >>112144249

>>112137067
>Based

spot the bot

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Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 18:50:06 No.112144243 Report

Quoted By: >>112144739 >>112146523 >>112149040

>>112134966
>mfw Dave Filoni or Jon Favreau takes over

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Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 18:50:24 No.112144249 Report

Quoted By:

>>112144225
>t. Bot

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Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 18:58:47 No.112144358 Report

Quoted By:

>>112143197

He probably had them made up to look like Padme and made Vader watch.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 19:26:46 No.112144739 Report

Quoted By: >>112145188 >>112170453

>>112144243
>Filoni
oh boy can't wait for Ahsoka wank to come into the live action movies

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 19:48:59 No.112145068 Report

Quoted By:

>>112138953
>>112138525
Dunno. That was the typical thought. It's a good twist/subversion that the clones fought on the Republic's side.

One good theme that the prequels really had was the slow decline of an ancient, decrepit institution into a corrupt empire. And clones played a big part of that.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 19:53:30 No.112145132 Report

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>>112130609
Abrams is a hack who can only copy other movie makers, so he just brought Sheev back with no rythme or reason, he's just back so JJ can make Return of the Jedi, but worse.
>>112130621
Also one noted thing is that JJ Abrams refused to work with the Story group for Star Wars, so now others has to try and explain this bullshit mess he left.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 19:55:10 No.112145157 Report

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>>112130621
At best they can probably say this was a clone, but yeah JJ Abrams has actually done a lot of damage to Star Wars now, not only did he make a really shitty movie, he's fucked up the lore, just because he can't actually write an original story.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 19:56:56 No.112145188 Report

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>>112144739
LIVE. ACTION. ORANGE. BUTTCHEEKS.

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Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 19:59:25 No.112145226 Report

Quoted By: >>112152226

>Hello fellow nerds, don't worry you'll love my Star Wars movie, it has no themes, no thought, just lore.
>Palpatine is back!
>Was I okay with Rians choices? haha don't be silly, you misheard.
>Now Rose might have seen like a major character, but she isn't, enjoy these new underdevloped characters
>minorities don't romance
>Also Rey is actually super important guys, I make good movies.
>it's gonna be like OT, but bigger!
>did I mention that Palpatine is back?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 20:00:47 No.112145244 Report

Quoted By: >>112145274

it has been decided the nu trilogy is basically starwars GT
it's a completely non-canon story line

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 20:02:38 No.112145274 Report

Quoted By: >>112145325 >>112145944 >>112155681 >>112155733 >>112156357

>>112145244
Honestly, I adored TLJ, but I agree, TROS was so fucking bad it just soured the whole trilogy, and just made the other movies worse in retrospect.
It's just the worst fucking end for Star Wars.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 20:06:03 No.112145325 Report

Quoted By:

>>112145274
the power creep alone just goes ahead an invalidates the series

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Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 20:19:38 No.112145519 Report

Quoted By:

>>112140461
>>112136930
>I don't want to say if you enjoyed the movie you have a low IQ, but if you enjoyed the movie then you have a low IQ

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 20:30:19 No.112145688 Report

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>>112130621
>Anakin's sacrifice in VI
Lmao as if the mulatto trannies that make up the current (((Story Group))) give a fuck about that.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 20:45:53 No.112145944 Report

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>>112145274
I'm just tuning it out. It's like the old EU, you cherrypicked what you enjoyed and ignored the rest. TLJ was pretty conclusive, as far as the dramatic arc of the Saga was concerned, so I'm fine with that being my ending.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 20:48:19 No.112145984 Report

Quoted By: >>112146284 >>112146438

I miss Star Wars generals because I feel like if I drive by shit post in these threads it’s off topic from OP

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 21:10:23 No.112146284 Report

Quoted By: >>112146438

>>112145984
They were nice for awhile, but by the end things were getting way too cancerous. too many trips, too many personalities, way too many blogposts.

Honestly, Hiro should just make a Star Wars board at this point. It would hurt /toy/ a little bit, but its the right choice in the long run.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 21:19:22 No.112146438 Report

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>>112145984
I miss when /swco/ was good, but like >>112146284 said, it was getting pretty fucking bad towards the end. Can you imagine what state it would be in after TROS?

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Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 21:19:58 No.112146450 Report

Quoted By: >>112146514 >>112146556

>>112131053
>They're Lucas loyalists.
>shit all over luke
>lucas loyalists
???

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 21:24:24 No.112146514 Report

Quoted By: >>112146939

>>112146450
Punished Luke was George's idea. The early concept art had him straight up losing his mind.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 21:25:00 No.112146523 Report

Quoted By: >>112146557 >>112146677

>>112144243
What the FUCK would they even do? How could they salvage the franchise without retconning the ST?

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Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 21:26:49 No.112146556 Report

Quoted By: >>112146917

>>112146450
>Punished Luke was George's idea.
Sauce please. Genuinely interested.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 21:26:53 No.112146557 Report

Quoted By: >>112146603

>>112146523
the ST already retcons the hell out of itself, to be fair

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 21:29:42 No.112146603 Report

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>>112146557
I'm honestly mostly talking about TRoS. I can live with TFA and TLJ being canon, but not TRoS. I don't know what the FUCK they were thinking with this one.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 21:34:15 No.112146677 Report

Quoted By: >>112146695

>>112146523
>time skip to the distant future
>go back to the old republic era
>Ignore the core worlds and do something with the Unknown Regions
>Ahsoka and Sabine searching for Ezra and Thrawn

Unironically, Star Wars is now the freest it has been in a decade, now that the ST is done. They can actually plan shit out. More TV shows like the Mando, more cartoons, more comics, and more one off movies that focus on a small set of characters.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 21:35:42 No.112146695 Report

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>>112146677
No it's not. The whole reason basically all supplemental material is restricted to the Empire era, slightly after the OT, and slightly before the ST is because they might make movies everywhere else.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 21:42:53 No.112146792 Report

Quoted By: >>112146829 >>112146853 >>112146886

I’m still impressed with how TRoS managed to piss off both TLJ fans and TLJ haters. The movie not breaking a billion would be icing on the cake, though that’s a bit wishful thinking. From my understanding, they didn’t directly shit on any characters like they did with Luke in TLJ.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 21:45:13 No.112146829 Report

Quoted By: >>112146853 >>112146930 >>112155280

>>112146792
They directly shit on Rose and Ben.

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Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 21:46:39 No.112146847 Report

Quoted By: >>112168777

>>112130609

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Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 21:46:49 No.112146853 Report

Quoted By: >>112146904 >>112146930

>>112146792
>>112146829
Finn got shit on too. His whole arc was pointless in the end.

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Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 21:48:03 No.112146876 Report

Quoted By:

>>112130609
He's got blank white eyes until he comes fully back to life by literally sucking some of the soul out of Rey and Kylo like Shang Tsung, so just assume he's some kind of ghost-zombie-lich-thing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 21:48:53 No.112146886 Report

Quoted By: >>112146930 >>112155902

>>112146792
They absolutely shit on Finn/Poe in TLJ with the Canto Bight and Holdo nonesense. And in TROS they are barely anything, but sidekicks for Rey.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 21:49:34 No.112146904 Report

Quoted By: >>112146930 >>112167159

>>112146853
it was already pointless the minute JJ decided he was the designated comic relief

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 21:50:25 No.112146917 Report

Quoted By: >>112167195

>>112146556
Old washed up Luke was part of Lucas' treatments that he sold to Iger under the assumption that it'd be the template fot the ST.

Tl;dr Luke had PTSD after the end of RotJ and had become a recluse to try and cope with the trauma but eventually had to take the Jedi mantle up again after the power vacuum left by Sheev's death got really out of hand.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 21:51:11 No.112146930 Report

Quoted By: >>112147336

>>112146829
>>112146853
>>112146886
>>112146904
>they ran out of classic characters to shit on and ended up shitting on their own creations (except Rey)

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 21:51:40 No.112146939 Report

Quoted By: >>112148739

>>112146514
No it wasn't. The earliest concept was a dispirited Luke who would eventually regain his fire with his interaction with and teaching the Rey/Kira character. It's a far cry from Luke Söywalker in TLJ.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 22:15:01 No.112147336 Report

Quoted By: >>112147377 >>112155605

>>112146930
Rey got shat on the hardest of all. Ben didn't deserve to die and his arc was abridged as hell, but at least he got his redemption and even the girl. Rey's whole arc in TLJ and the significance of her character in the context of the saga got annulled by retconning her lineage, her internal conflict with the Dark side that is finally dealt with in this movie is not even a result of her own harsh upbringing, but of the Sheev blood in her veins, she ends up taking up the name and a legacy of a man she had no real personal connection to and the one thing she really wanted from the start - a family - is denied with Ben's death. She ends the same way she started, alone in the desert. What a joke.

Handing her the entire legacy of Star Wars on a silver platter and having her one-up Anakin is honestly an insult and disservice to the character, because it shouldn't and didn't have to be about that. It's the vapid corporate conception of "girl power" that completely misses the point of what made her appealing even to the people who did like her.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 22:16:58 No.112147377 Report

Quoted By:

>>112147336
Rey is treated exactly the same in TROS as she is in TFA and TLJ, only moreso

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 22:47:12 No.112148039 Report

Quoted By:

>>112130609
Real, he was missing fingers from what seems like going off with force lightning. He uses force drain and heals himself.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 23:25:06 No.112148739 Report

Quoted By: >>112153804 >>112166548

>>112146939
>who would eventually regain his fire
Like Luke did at the end of TLJ?

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Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 23:45:02 No.112149040 Report

Quoted By: >>112149124

>>112144243
Or how about some actually competent people instead of medicore losers that only look good by comparison with the likes of Johnson and Abrams?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 23:50:02 No.112149124 Report

Quoted By:

>>112149040
actually competent directors would make their own movies instead of answering to the whims of producers on a franchise

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 23:59:30 No.112149270 Report

Quoted By: >>112149286 >>112150791

>>112137441
>look, if Ezra can just yoink Ahsoka away from getting Vader'd, anything is on the table
This stupid shit is exactly why I hate Filoni and why he needs to stop being allowed to be involved with anything related to the Force. His retarded ideas like Mortis, World Between Worlds and everything else just opened the door for more stupidity. He can keep making formulaic and cliched western stories in a star wars skin, but leave all the high concept stuff to someone else.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 00:00:44 No.112149286 Report

Quoted By:

>>112149270
Mortis was a George thing
>high concept
does not mean what you think it means

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 01:42:24 No.112150791 Report

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>>112149270
What's so bad about Mortis? It's how George viewed the force.

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Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 01:56:47 No.112151024 Report

Quoted By: >>112151208 >>112151942 >>112152119 >>112165098

Anyone else hate how few aliens are in the movies anymore? Say what you will about the prequels but they were very colorful and full of lots of interesting and unique creatures and worlds.

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Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 02:06:54 No.112151208 Report

Quoted By: >>112152023 >>112152094 >>112152151 >>112152568 >>112155252

>>112151024
Peopled bitched that George did too much CGI in the prequels so JJ was all into making it all practical and aliens are a lot harder to do that way so we got fewer of them and a Bill Cosby looking puppet Yoda.

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Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 02:59:49 No.112151942 Report

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>>112151024
The prequels had way more aliens than the OT and also had them in prominent roles, and one of the ST's main guiding philosophies was to favor the OT over the PT as much as possible when it came to aesthetics, worldbuilding, etc. I suspect this is also why all three movies categorically refuse to tell us anything about the political situation in the galaxy outside of brief snippets in the opening crawl. Disney just took a lot of the wrong lessons from the backlash against the prequel trilogy.

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Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 03:05:52 No.112152015 Report

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>>112137491
ULTIMATE PLEASURE

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Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 03:06:23 No.112152023 Report

Quoted By: >>112152110

>>112151208
The puppet in TLJ looked a touch off but it looked more like OT Yoda than the CGI model in the prequels or the abysmal puppet in TPM.

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Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 03:11:47 No.112152094 Report

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>>112151208
They also got really sloppy with Sheev's face as Ian didn't seem to have any of the distinct lines he did in the other movies.

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Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 03:12:58 No.112152110 Report

Quoted By: >>112152411 >>112152439

>>112152023
CG Yoda looked better than the original Puppet Yoda.

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Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 03:13:25 No.112152119 Report

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>>112151024
Yep. All that diversity gave us a lot of colorful characters.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PW4OIHDsWsM

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Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 03:16:10 No.112152151 Report

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>>112151208
They also got really sloppy with Sheev's face as Ian didn't seem to have any of the distinct lines he did in the other movies.

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Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 03:24:04 No.112152226 Report

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>>112145226
LOOK, IT'S LANDO

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Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 03:38:05 No.112152411 Report

Quoted By:

>>112152110
I'm not sure I agree. It looked fine, though. Too bad it was wasted on the prequels.

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Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 03:39:43 No.112152439 Report

Quoted By: >>112156422

>>112152110
Genuineky surprised that Lucas never tried to shoehorn CGI Yoda into one of the later revisions of the Special Editions.

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Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 03:50:04 No.112152568 Report

Quoted By: >>112152741 >>112154677 >>112165032 >>112165123

>>112151208
They also got really sloppy with Sheev's face as Ian didn't seem to have any of the distinct lines he did in the other movies.

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Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 04:02:35 No.112152741 Report

Quoted By: >>112154677

>>112152568
it's so weird how the ROTS makeup looks worse than the ROTJ makeup

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Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 04:07:39 No.112152810 Report

Quoted By: >>112152838 >>112154592 >>112163027

>>112130500
Movie shitting aside, I can see Ian coming back since Palp's first VA died and Tim Curry is basically retired. He already voiced sheev in Rebels

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Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 04:09:41 No.112152838 Report

Quoted By: >>112154592 >>112155291

>>112152810
The guy who played Starkiller and was in that shitty zombie biker game has voiced Sheev before, so they might get him back if they can't afford Ian.

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Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 04:10:11 No.112152846 Report

Quoted By: >>112154658 >>112155284

Meanwhile in Japan.

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Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 05:15:05 No.112153804 Report

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>>112148739
Regain his fire and train Rey/Kira, not regain his fire and die making a Force prank call.

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Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 06:13:43 No.112154592 Report

Quoted By: >>112154946

>>112152810 >>112152838

I think it largely depends on ho many episodes he's in.. which IMO I don't think will be much. He'll probably be in the Mandalore eps since those start with his "kidnapping" and end with Order 66 but that's probably it. I think they could probably get Ian for like 3 episodes.

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Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 06:19:33 No.112154658 Report

Quoted By: >>112155256 >>112155308

>>112152846
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIdF52zJcfo

with sound

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Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 06:20:38 No.112154677 Report

Quoted By: >>112154931

>>112152568
>>112152741
Earth to faggots. You ever burn a steak and leave it under the sink for decades. That is what his face is.

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Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 06:27:05 No.112154754 Report

Quoted By: >>112154863

>>112136909
Given all the damage control JJ did in TROS, I'm surprised he didn't retcon that Sheev was the one who gave that vision to Luke and that's why he reacted too strongly to it.

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Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 06:37:09 No.112154863 Report

Quoted By: >>112155067

>>112154754
Wait for the book/comic.

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Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 06:43:53 No.112154931 Report

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>>112154677
can't say that I have, no

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Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 06:44:55 No.112154946 Report

Quoted By: >>112155248 >>112172440

>>112154592
I'm pretty sure Sidious is in the "Ahsoka fucks around on Coruscant" arc

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Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 06:55:54 No.112155067 Report

Quoted By: >>112155933

>>112154863
You're probably right. They already established that it wasn't actually Ben who destroyed the temple.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 07:08:26 No.112155217 Report

Quoted By:

>>112136930
Can you explain why?

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Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 07:10:56 No.112155247 Report

Quoted By:

>>112141734
>consider what TLJ was actually trying to say in relation to SW's long-standing themes
it said "BRAAAAAPP"

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Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 07:10:59 No.112155248 Report

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>>112154946
>"Ahsoka fucks around on Coruscant" arc

Hot

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Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 07:11:25 No.112155252 Report

Quoted By: >>112155337

>>112151208
Yeah the people got upset at George using CG were annoying because the only reason they had practical effects at that time was because they didn’t have the technology and they did the best they could do.

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Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 07:11:42 No.112155256 Report

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>>112154658
I like that they keep the fights relatively grounded in what's actually on screen, there is minor embellishment yet none of it is so over the top that one couldn't imagine the character actually doing it. It would be great to see something new in this kind of style, not as over-the-top and hyper embellished as the Tartakovsky Clone Wars show and not as choreographed looking as live action, with limited displays of power hampered by the actor's own physical capacities and the limitations of CGI being superimposed on a live set.

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Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 07:13:42 No.112155280 Report

Quoted By: >>112155293

>>112146829
>they shit on rose
dilate, rose was a shit.

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Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 07:13:57 No.112155284 Report

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>>112152846
that transition to Mustafar is pure kino

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Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 07:14:48 No.112155291 Report

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>>112152838
He has also been the voice of Darth Maul in all all of the important canon media after Phantom Menace.

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Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 07:14:59 No.112155293 Report

Quoted By: >>112155340

>>112155280
you can acknowledge that TROS shit on her without any sort of value judgement on her character

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Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 07:16:50 No.112155308 Report

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>>112154658
wrong one
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvcoQ7vwr6s

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Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 07:17:25 No.112155315 Report

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Does anybody remember if there were wipes in the new movies because I know they were in The Mandalorian and the animated shows and kind of remember them not being in the new movies though I could easily be wrong on that.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 07:18:20 No.112155320 Report

Quoted By: >>112155358 >>112155477

>>112136762

This anti white male sentiment needs to end.

Yeah I get it... cops don’t just shoot us because we are white (or maybe it’s because we don’t spurg out at the drop of a hat when we get pulled over—Because I’m pretty sure the ones of us that do still get beaten to a bloody pulp).

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Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 07:19:55 No.112155337 Report

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>>112155252
there's using CGI to achieve what you technologically couldn't in 1977, but George overused it. We didn't need Yoda jumping around like a spaz while Christopher Lee and Ian McDiarmid swung their prop sabers at nothing.

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Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 07:20:09 No.112155340 Report

Quoted By: >>112155355 >>112160838 >>112160922

>>112155293
TROS shit on basically everyone, besides maybe Poe.

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Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 07:21:43 No.112155349 Report

Quoted By: >>112155359

What is the length Clone Wars is supposed to be because I thought it was around two years but it has given Ahsoka enough time to fully mature and a lot of crap to happen en though I thought they were kind of well into the Clone Wars when it started as Anakin has already lost his Attack of the Clones haircut.

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Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 07:22:15 No.112155355 Report

Quoted By: >>112160838

>>112155340
only because Poe is such a nothing character that there's nothing to really shit on

and I guess Leia and Chewie came out of it alright.

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Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 07:22:39 No.112155358 Report

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>>112155320
don't worry anon, white males are the last stepping stone on the way to the top.

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Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 07:22:46 No.112155359 Report

Quoted By: >>112155402

>>112155349
clone wars lasts for 4 years

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Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 07:24:40 No.112155382 Report

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Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 07:25:26 No.112155392 Report

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>>112155382
clone wars lasts for 4 years.

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Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 07:26:21 No.112155402 Report

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>>112155359
Then how far into it was the movie when Anakin got Ahsoka as his padawan because she matured physically a lot in the series.

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Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 07:31:10 No.112155449 Report

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>>112137491
Now my orgasm is complete

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Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 07:31:47 No.112155456 Report

Quoted By: >>112155496 >>112160710

>>112155402
the TCW movie takes place pretty shortly after AOTC. It's not like GenndyWars or the Legends novels/comics where he's a Padawan for a good chunk of time while the artists wait on George to approve Anakin's ROTS design.

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Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 07:34:00 No.112155477 Report

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>>112155320
>or maybe it’s because we don’t spurg out at the drop of a hat when we get pulled over
Oh, you mean like Philandro?

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Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 07:35:59 No.112155496 Report

Quoted By: >>112155509

>>112155456
Though wasn’t the hand-drawn series still canon until Disney took over and only kept the Filoni series?

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Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 07:37:14 No.112155509 Report

Quoted By: >>112155744

>>112155496
No, the CGI series started overwriting GenndyWars pretty heavily almost immediately.

Plus there were like three different versions of Palpatine's kidnapping even before TCW.

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Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 07:40:07 No.112155549 Report

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>>112139753
He literally left a hole for a new central villain since even his movie was ramping up Kylo for a change of heart. If anything by killing Snoke he created a vacuum that nostalgia pandering could easily fill. Not a smart move.

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Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 07:46:11 No.112155605 Report

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>>112147336
I never got how making it so she has no lineage supposedly tones things down. That just means she's an anomaly AND the most talented Jedi ever. That doesn't really make it better in my opinion.

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Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 07:54:01 No.112155681 Report

Quoted By: >>112156997

>>112145274
>I adored TLJ
Why? I really hate how it shat on the heroes who weren't Rey and literally gave them a pointless task, not even a way to help in the end. Everyone talks about subverting expectations and Luke's depiction being a good or bad thing, but I just can't look past the fact that the entire B-plot was actually pointless and offered no satisfaction for Poe and Finn let alone the viewers.

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Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 08:00:52 No.112155733 Report

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>>112145274
I think it's the best of the trilogy, but that's because I gave up on the story with TFA and TLJ made it clear that it wasn't going to get any better. TROS is terribly written but it does have some prettier spectacle.

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Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 08:01:49 No.112155744 Report

Quoted By: >>112158130

>>112155509
Then why did they include it on the Wiki and then switched it over to Legends even if the new series was supposed to render it noncanon?

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Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 08:01:56 No.112155747 Report

Quoted By: >>112155763 >>112155852

the point of killing Snoke was setting up Kylo as the end boss but Abrams and company couldn't figure out how to square that with a Star Wars redemption and Reylo. and they wouldn't commit to him being a villain.

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Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 08:04:16 No.112155763 Report

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>>112155747
Kylo being the central villain could still accommodate a redemption.

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Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 08:14:15 No.112155852 Report

Quoted By: >>112156114

>>112155747
Even Rian didn't write him properly as a main villain. He still hadn't completed his training, and now couldn't, while Rey was just getting stronger. He made it clear in TLJ alone that he has no real convictions or ambitions and is just in it for control, and him and Hux are far too distant for Hux for some sort of team work which would allow for a leader and his strategist dynamic. All of the First Order's super weapons were gone, and it didn't seem like Kylo was the kind of villain that could really spearhead a new project.
What I mean is, I don't eve think Rian thought he was going to be able to fill in the boots of a main villain.

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Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 08:21:06 No.112155902 Report

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>>112146886
It's honestly weird going back and watching TFA and seeing how Finn and Poe are actually prominent characters who are directly involved with overcoming the main conflict, since that part of them quickly gets thrown out as Rey becomes the singular protagonist.

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Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 08:23:28 No.112155926 Report

Quoted By: >>112155942

>>112131365
>Luke coming back from the dead
God that's even worse. How is it that the only SW-related media to get Force Ghosts right are TLJ and fucking Force Unleashed? Luminous Beings are we, not this crude matter

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Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 08:24:21 No.112155933 Report

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>>112155067
Don't they realize if you take
>He didn't do anything wrong!
too far, you end up with
>He didn't do anything
full stop?

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Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 08:25:22 No.112155942 Report

Quoted By:

>>112155926
>TLJ
You mean the movie where force ghosts can summon lightning?

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Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 08:38:32 No.112156052 Report

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>>112136953
This is what I assumed was going to be the story until TLJs awful description of the narrative happened. It would have been more compelling if Kylos fall to the dark side was punctuated by him and his newly formed knights of Ren attacking the new Jedi academy and killing a bunch of innocent students, leaving Luke to confront the death of his adopted children at the hands of his nephew.

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Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 08:46:07 No.112156114 Report

Quoted By: >>112156250 >>112157291 >>112165628

>>112155852
My guess for IX's story until the Emperor was teased was that Kylo would butt heads with Hux while the other leaders of the First Order lose faith in him due to Hux's influence and his own weirdo erraticism (maybe because he's conflicted about what he's doing, or maybe because he's so committed to Rey in particular he becomes unreliable). This probably would have required better character writing than any of the sequel movies had but it was the only real direction I thought the story could go in, and Hux antagonizing Kylo was part of their dynamic from the beginning.

But then the Emperor happened again.

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Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 09:04:55 No.112156250 Report

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>>112156114
They could have just used DJ's warning in TLJ as a springboard for something like Exogol and the Final Order without Palpatine

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Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 09:18:54 No.112156357 Report

Quoted By: >>112156369 >>112162388

>>112145274
TLJ set up TROS to fail. Now, it wouldn't have been the best trilogy ever if JJ was on board for all 3 movies, but Rian tossed out all the plot points that TFA alluded to.

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Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 09:20:17 No.112156369 Report

Quoted By: >>112156441 >>112157030

>>112156357
lol what points? RoS shows Abrams didn't have shit set up

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Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 09:22:14 No.112156385 Report

Quoted By: >>112157461

>>112134531
nah they already have SW Resistance for that

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Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 09:23:16 No.112156398 Report

Quoted By: >>112156461

>>112139007
If it had test screenings it wouldn't have been this bad

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Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 09:25:32 No.112156422 Report

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>>112152439
I thought he made yoda CGI in Episode 5 once?
Regardless, Lucas did replace Episode 1 Yoda with CGI when the Blu-Ray boxset came out (that also added CGI eyes to the Ewoks)

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 09:26:42 No.112156441 Report

Quoted By: >>112157020 >>112162462

>>112156369
I'll agree that JJ didn't have anything set up in detail, but killing off the main villain and Luke Skywalker in the same film were definitely not on his agenda.

Rian opened up JJ's dumb mystery box and took a big steaming dump in it. Pretty hilarious, and ballsy, but it was a tough act to follow.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 09:28:07 No.112156461 Report

Quoted By: >>112156471

>>112156398
Uh wasn’t it confirmed that the poor test screenings were what got the revelation that the Sheev who died in ROTJ was a clone and that’s why Matt Smith was cut from the film?

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Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 09:28:56 No.112156471 Report

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>>112156461
People thought Harry Styles was supposed to be in this as well

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Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 09:58:34 No.112156657 Report

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>>112137491

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Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 10:32:36 No.112156852 Report

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>"Oh I'm afraid the Christmas tree will be quite operational when the guests arrive."

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Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 10:52:46 No.112156997 Report

Quoted By: >>112157022

>>112155681
Anon, the b plot being pointless was simply the result of Carrie Fisher doing drugs and having to sleep, while the filming was on a supertight schedule. Which is then why there's pointless characters like Holdo, and why Rose goes on a mission with Finn instead of Poe, why Leia is sleeping after being spaced instead of trying to keep the resistbellion fleet from being blown up and so on.
Sometimes, it's simply outside factors that one has to deal with.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 10:55:49 No.112157020 Report

Quoted By: >>112157568

>>112156441
>Rian opened up JJ's dumb mystery box and took a big steaming dump in it. Pretty hilarious, and ballsy, but it was a tough act to follow.
And deserved. Seriously, this whole concept of mystery boxing is beyond stupid. Why do Americans even applaud Abrams for doing mystery box garbage in the first place?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 10:55:55 No.112157022 Report

Quoted By: >>112157539

>>112156997
I thought Rose took Poe's place because Johnson thought two buds going on an adventure was boring and he wanted someone to butt heads with Finn.

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Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 10:57:52 No.112157030 Report

Quoted By: >>112157117 >>112157138

>>112156369

I dunno, the fact that he reversed even specific things like Kylo's mask shows that he had specific ideas that got thrown on the wayside by TLJ. Even Luke gets that line about how he had been researching Sith stuff which obviously doesn't fit with TLJ.

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Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 11:12:37 No.112157117 Report

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>>112157030
Kylo destroying his mask was one of the few moments in TLJ that I liked. I found it laughable when I saw that he'd gathered up all the pieces and put it back together.

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Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 11:17:10 No.112157138 Report

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>>112157030
Have you seen that video where JJ talks about Kylo and Rey's relationship and as far as TFA was concerned, they could have been siblings back then? He didn't plan shit and he had no ideas where the things could go.

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Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 11:39:28 No.112157291 Report

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>>112156114
Exactly. They had the Canto Bight detour tying into the military-industrial complex, Kylo with the idea of burning everything down (when the rest of the FO was in it to restore the Empire) and the Resistance starting from the scratch, so I thought the story would be about coming together and uniting to fight the war machine itself (tie in Finn finally inspiring a Stormtrooper rebellion and Poe rallying the people of the galaxy like the leader he was supposed to be), but then nothing changed and it's like TLJ never happened.

>but you need a big bad guy for a lightsaber fight at the end, how is Hux supposed to fill that
Use the Knights of Ren. Perhaps they're hunting for Sith relics to give the FO an edge in the war and so is Rey, because she's lost and doesn't know what to do on her own, so she's torn between this temptation of power and her own moral compass and the end of her arc, she rejects the space magic nuke and instead comes together with redeemed Ben to stop the Dark side from inflicting more wounds of the galaxy and instead they heal and rebuild through cooperation.

Sheev didn't have to be there. Rian didn't force JJ on the cheapest and laziest path imaginable.

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Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 11:57:58 No.112157435 Report

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>>112131735
Freddie Prinze Jr is an outspoken advocate of the sequel trilogy. He probably has his head up JJ's ass and doesn't need Filoni to shill for him.

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Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 12:01:09 No.112157461 Report

Quoted By: >>112162298

>>112156385
They cancelled that a long time ago. It was shit.

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Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 12:11:30 No.112157539 Report

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>>112157022
That's just the official excuse he gave in order to not talk ill about druggie Fisher.

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Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 12:14:52 No.112157568 Report

Quoted By: >>112157582

>>112157020
>And deserved.
Not if the audience has to suffer through the result as well, not just JJ.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 12:17:39 No.112157582 Report

Quoted By: >>112157628

>>112157568
Anyone who got invested in the Mystery box only had themselves to blame. The writing was on the wall. For all the constant joking about LOST, few people seem to actually remember what watching it was like.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 12:23:50 No.112157628 Report

Quoted By: >>112157666

>>112157582
I wasn't invested in the mystery box. But Rian holds as much blame for what we got, forcing JJ to do stupid backpedaling if he wanted to continue down the path he established. He essentially dared JJ, and JJ took the dare.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 12:28:37 No.112157666 Report

Quoted By: >>112157753

>>112157628
What path? There was no path.

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Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 12:40:12 No.112157753 Report

Quoted By: >>112157795

>>112157666
The backpedaling says otherwise.

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Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 12:44:48 No.112157795 Report

Quoted By: >>112157821

>>112157753
You really think that, if they had a plan, which we know they didn't, they'd just let one guy throw a wrench into it midway through? The backpedalling is more comparable to Justice League, where they scrambled to placate the fans after BvS, intergrated all their immediate demands into a story that didn't support them and the result was this unholy chimaera that appealed to no one at all.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 12:48:01 No.112157821 Report

Quoted By: >>112158042 >>112158167 >>112163016

>>112157795
I didn't say JJ had a real plan. But JJ clearly had certain plot elements set up a certain way so he could continue with them in a certain way. A path. And when Rian deliberately tampered with those plot ements, JJ just had them unwritten so he could continue where he left off, which Rian should have seen as a very real possibility before he even started monkeying around.

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Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 13:20:50 No.112158042 Report

Quoted By: >>112158718 >>112161135

>>112157821
Then he should have left notes to Johnson to please not kill Snokepatine and to not make Rey a nobody.
No, seriously, either that whole thing was the grossest and shittiest miscommunication ever, or the two directors hated each another and couldn't wait to spit in each others face.
Point is, though, that Abrams however is an unimaginative dolt. And there's no need to feel pity for him, since he did that stuff willingly.

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Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 13:30:36 No.112158130 Report

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>>112155744
the wiki is not run by Lucasfilm, you dunce

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Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 13:33:39 No.112158167 Report

Quoted By: >>112158699

>>112157821
>JJ
>having a plan
>ever

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Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 14:34:17 No.112158699 Report

Quoted By: >>112158720 >>112158795

>>112158167
>You
>Reading comprehension
>ever
Again. Not a plan. A path. For example he probably hadn't decided who Rey's parents really were. But he was still deliberately teasing that mystery. So cutting that mystery short was obviously a diversion from what he had intended, regardless of what it was.

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Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 14:36:47 No.112158718 Report

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>>112158042
>or the two directors hated each another
Considering how JJ snubbed Rose, after Rian spent Finn's whole B-plot on her in TLJ, It wouldn't surprise me if there is some genuine anger/frustration between the two.

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Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 14:36:55 No.112158720 Report

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>>112158699
he didn't have a path, either. He just teases a mystery without ever planning to answer it, and expects subsequent writers to play along and fill in the blanks he left.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 14:47:20 No.112158795 Report

Quoted By: >>112160198

>>112158699
He set up the building blocks so the writers who'd come after him tell their stories and so Rian decided that for his story, it'd be most thematically relevant and meaningful for Rey's character arc that her parents would be revealed to have been deadbeat drunks. Thus, the set up in TFA did end up serving its purpose. Because the mystery didn't have a predetermined answer and JJ gave up his right to give one himself when he checked out after the first movie. Whether he liked it or not, it was on him to honor Rian's decisions or at least skirt around them in such a way that his take on the character won't contradict the previous movie. Because for all the shit we can throw at Rian, TLJ did not contradict anything in TFA either.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 15:44:25 No.112159306 Report

Quoted By:

>>112137491
OAAAAAARGH

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 16:53:17 No.112160198 Report

Quoted By: >>112160533

>>112158795
>Because for all the shit we can throw at Rian, TLJ did not contradict anything in TFA either.

Luke leaving a map so that he could be found in case of emergency or something doesn’t fit with depressed Luke who ran off to hide and wait to die.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 17:16:25 No.112160533 Report

Quoted By: >>112162545

>>112160198
No one in the movie said that Luke himself left the map behind, quite the opposite, Han outright says that Luke "walked away from everything".

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 17:26:40 No.112160710 Report

Quoted By: >>112162150

>>112155456
They could have at least kept in Anakin's duel with Ventress as a padawan in canon. Kinda weird how they just make him a Jedi Knight after getting his ass handed to him by Dooku.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 17:35:00 No.112160838 Report

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>>112155340
>>112155355
>sole latino main lead
>now an ex-drug smuggler

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 17:40:36 No.112160922 Report

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>>112155340
RoS made him straight. I'd say he got the best treatment out of anyone.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 17:55:29 No.112161135 Report

Quoted By: >>112164662

>>112158042
>he should have left notes to Johnson to please not kill Snokepatine and to not make Rey a nobody.
IIRC that's what happened but Johnson went in his own direction.
This is partly on Abrams for leaving TLJ to another director, but Rian should get a share of the blame for ditching stuff.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 18:57:28 No.112162150 Report

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>>112160710
walking away from a duel with a Sith Lord is a pretty big deal

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 19:08:29 No.112162298 Report

Quoted By: >>112162451

>>112157461
They didn't cancel it, the plot only leads up to Episode 9

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 19:14:54 No.112162388 Report

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>>112156357
JJ is a fucking idiot who can't write, the trilogy was doomed the second they let him touch 7.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 19:18:30 No.112162451 Report

Quoted By: >>112162627

>>112162298
It was canceled before season 2 came out, or at least announced it wasnt getting renewed after season 2. Its garbage.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 19:19:28 No.112162462 Report

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>>112156441
TFA introduced a scenario that made no sense (rebels vs. empire part 2) and was not explained. From the get-go this trilogy had a terrible scenario to work with thanks to JJ the hack.
TLJ ended with a big chunk of the First Order fleet wrecked, the resistance in tatters, and all of the mystery boxes rendered inert. Any competent writer could have spun this scenario into gold. Instead we got a much worse ROTJ, with all of the worst, uninspired shit from the EU; the return of the emperor and the over the top superweapons.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 19:24:11 No.112162545 Report

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>>112160533
Unless Max Von Sydow's Lar Son Tekka character is confirmed to have been Wedge before a re-write due to Lawson not wanting anything to do with the ST I'd say yeah if anything he specifically picked that area because no one would know how the hell to navigate it while he could use the Force to navigate instead

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 19:29:08 No.112162627 Report

Quoted By: >>112162671

>>112162451
>It was canceled before season 2 came out, or at least announced it wasnt getting renewed after season 2
because the story didn't have anywhere to go after that

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 19:31:11 No.112162671 Report

Quoted By: >>112162682

>>112162627
you can renew something and keep the next season in development hell until you get a story to go on, yet not even that happened. it was cancelled.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 19:31:44 No.112162682 Report

Quoted By: >>112162716

>>112162671
So was Clone Wars

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 19:33:22 No.112162716 Report

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>>112162682
ok, what's your point?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 19:52:58 No.112163016 Report

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>>112157821
If Abrams wanted the ST to go a certain way he should have stayed on for all three. He had zero say when he walked out after TFA.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 19:53:56 No.112163027 Report

Quoted By: >>112163267 >>112163704 >>112164787

>>112152810
The first VA, I can completely understand, but once he died, I’m still confused as to how they couldn’t get McDiarmid to voice Palpatine, but they could somehow get Tim Curry.
I doubt Ian was busy, he’s been in about 3 things outside of Star Wars.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 20:09:17 No.112163267 Report

Quoted By: >>112163333 >>112163704

>>112163027
>I’m still confused as to how they couldn’t get McDiarmid to voice Palpatine, but they could somehow get Tim Curry.
McDiarmid was probably busy with Theatre

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 20:14:00 No.112163333 Report

Quoted By: >>112163378

>>112163267
He probably also commands a little more money

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 20:16:12 No.112163378 Report

Quoted By: >>112163497

>>112163333
Than Tim Curry?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 20:22:31 No.112163497 Report

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>>112163378
Honestly? Yeah

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 20:22:37 No.112163498 Report

Quoted By:

>>112137491
POOOOOOOOOOOOOOWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 20:26:03 No.112163567 Report

Quoted By: >>112163614

>>112130500
Jus started Clone Wars, almost done S1, am I supposed to watch Rebels as well at some point?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 20:28:08 No.112163614 Report

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>>112163567
If you want, sure. It's just not very good. It isn't even weak like the first few seasons of Clone Wars, it's just weak all the way through.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 20:32:13 No.112163686 Report

Quoted By: >>112163819

Holy fuck Finn was such a wasted character
>actually have him meet an entire society of conscientious Stormtrooper deserters
>the only thing they do with it is LOL HOERS
Christ, they don’t have him learn Force stuff, they don’t have him inspire the First Order’s kidnapped soldiers to take back their lives, they don’t even have him fuck Rey/Poe/Rose
He’s just fucking there getting yanked around by whatever the writing wants in that given moment and screaming people’s names

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 20:33:19 No.112163704 Report

Quoted By: >>112164325

>>112163267
>>112163027
Dude just bring back Sam
He can make it work

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 20:38:33 No.112163819 Report

Quoted By: >>112164325

>>112163686
His banter with Poe is entertaining as hell but yeah, even Abrams mostly wasted him in RoS. I hope someone picks up the FO deserter aspect and runs with it in new EU material. Boyega claims he wasn't going to tell Rey he loved her and he seems at least vaguely Force sensitive, so maybe he'll be Rey's first disciple

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 21:02:55 No.112164325 Report

Quoted By: >>112164795

>>112163704
With all due respect, Sam's Sheev isn't the greatest. I can't wait to hear more of his Maul again, though. I hope he gets another new meaty SW role soon.

>>112163819
I'd be more than okay with a show about Rey and Finn travelling the galaxy in the aftermath of the war, delving into the Force together, with Finn also helping washed out FO soldiers adjust to the civilian life, while Rey figures out what role should the new Jedi Order should play in galaxy and comes to terms with Ben's death. It'd be like TCW's The Deserter meeting JJ Miller's Kenobi novel.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 21:21:34 No.112164600 Report

Quoted By: >>112164654 >>112164822 >>112164826

>>112130621
It's pretty telling that even Pablo didn't bother coming up with an explanation for how the Death Star fragment survived so intact in the Visual Dictionary. I think he's had it trying to explain how any of JJ's shit works and just threw his hands up and decided he wasn't going to bother trying to solve any more mystery box shit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 21:26:15 No.112164654 Report

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>>112164600
No shit. There's so much fucking wrong with it that it's not worth the effort. Like her finding the Wayfinder in the throne room when that was a tiny little spire somewhere on the surface of the DSII nowhere near the rim of the laser's superstructure

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 21:26:41 No.112164662 Report

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>>112161135
According to Johnson AND Abrams, Abrams didn't leave any notes. The only source that claimed Abrams had any plans for 8 was Daisy Ridley. Well, and later Abrams since he's now pretending he had shit planned all along.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 21:35:03 No.112164777 Report

Quoted By: >>112165081 >>112165448

>hey Luke and I realized the Emperor might be back so we needed to find clues to find Exegol
>we found out about this Ochi guy running errands for him
>we traced Ochi's ship to this planet, we found the ship but no Ochi, so it was a dead end
>no we didn't think to turn on the droid in the ship and see if it knew anything
>no we didn't bother to search the area for any clues about Ochi's whereabouts, such as possibly having fallen into a sand pit
>I mean it's not like the sand is the only way in, there's clearly a hole there for the snake to get in, and realistically Ochi having fallen prey to local fauna was a very real possibility we just never chose to explore
>anyway it was a complete dead end, so we completely gave up and just decided to forget all about Palpatine's return
>Luke went to go train his failure academy and I hung around here for like 20 years wallowing in my own misery and never once did I think to maybe do a second search of the area around Ochi's ship or maybe look for some clues inside the ship
>sure glad you new kids showed up to solve this mystery for us!

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 21:35:33 No.112164787 Report

Quoted By: >>112164837

>>112163027
Curry hasn't been doing much either. Hell, his last "big" thing before TCW was fucking Red Alert 3.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 21:36:38 No.112164795 Report

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>>112164325
well if the Solo tease ever comes back after KK is out he'd get to be live action Maul.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 21:38:07 No.112164822 Report

Quoted By: >>112164873

>>112164600
>Pablo
I noticed he made his Twitter private. I wonder what his Twitter has been like lately. He liked TLJ, right?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 21:38:29 No.112164826 Report

Quoted By: >>112164843

>>112164600
It funny when you compare the "Special Thanks" sections and for TFA and TLJ, Pablo's writing these enthusiastic paragraphs thanking everyone involved in the project and for TRoS' VD, it's just the most reserved, straightforward listing of names, with JJ and Chris Terrio dropped in the last line out of politeness. He's so done.

He also rated Cats higher on Letterboxd than TRoS.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 21:39:10 No.112164837 Report

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>>112164787
Curry isn't in the best of health.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 21:39:56 No.112164843 Report

Quoted By: >>112164899 >>112164908

>>112164826
>He also rated Cats higher on Letterboxd than TRoS.
this can't be real

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 21:42:01 No.112164873 Report

Quoted By: >>112165125 >>112165203

>>112164822
He did. All the Story Group members are on good terms with Rian, because he worked closely with them. Kiri Hart even quit LFL and is now working in his production company. The prevailing sentiment is that Pablo saw TRoS coming and went dark, so people wouldn't hound him over it. Matt Martin washed his hands of the movie too.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 21:44:23 No.112164899 Report

Quoted By: >>112164949

>>112164843
I can kind of see it. Cats is a bizarrely fascinating trainwreck of a movie. TROS is a cynical attempt to pander to fans that instead ends up shitting on the entire saga it's supposed to end. I can see why someone would rate Cats higher.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 21:45:08 No.112164908 Report

Quoted By: >>112165876

>>112164843
It is. The account is confirmed legit.

https://letterboxd.com/infinita/activity/

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 21:47:57 No.112164949 Report

Quoted By: >>112164969 >>112165111 >>112165173

>>112164899
>instead ends up shitting on the entire saga it's supposed to end
This is what I don't get. The movie does far more damage than TLJ did, but people still praise it as saving Star Wars.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 21:49:05 No.112164969 Report

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>>112164949
A lot of people really just want action scenes, lasers and explosions. The movie delivers, so it's "good" Star Wars. It was the same reason so many people praised TFA even though that one also demolishes the OT purely for the sake of rebuilding the exact same thing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 21:52:48 No.112165032 Report

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>>112152568
Why are his eyes so fucking big jesus

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 21:54:50 No.112165062 Report

Quoted By: >>112165111

>>112131053
>rian wasn't the problem
Stop right there tranny. You've been caught.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 21:56:14 No.112165081 Report

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>>112164777
im sure there will be a book someday about this adventure

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 21:57:23 No.112165098 Report

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>>112151024
I don't even mind how few of them there are, what bugs me is how unimaginative they are. For some reason the ST's aliens all seem to be some variation of "lumpy bug-eyed frog thing with eyes centered on the sides of its face"

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 21:58:21 No.112165111 Report

Quoted By: >>112165156 >>112166392

>>112165062
bruh come on >>112164949 Palpatine surviving is the biggest slap in the face to everything about the first six fucking films

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 21:59:01 No.112165123 Report

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>>112152568
He does eventually get his swollen ROTS face at the end of the movie, but for some reason he starts off looking fairly normal other than having milky zombie eyes and dark lips.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 21:59:07 No.112165125 Report

Quoted By: >>112165213 >>112165235

>>112164873
>so people wouldn't hound him over it
Amusing, but TRoS really isn't any worse than TFA or TLJ. It did backpedal on the one smart thing I thought TLJ did (Rey's parents), but the preservation of one narrative detail wouldn't suddenly make TLJ or TRoS a good story.

Pablo always struck me as a bit of a dick. I don't envy his relationship with Star Wars fans, though.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 22:01:39 No.112165156 Report

Quoted By: >>112165214 >>112165283

>>112165111
The worst part is that he basically didn't even die to begin with. It'd be one thing if he'd been dead for decades and then got resurrected, it'd still be dumb but not AS dumb, but what we got was a Sheev that apparently only had a very brief death (if he even really died at all) and then came back very soon afterward and has been pulling the strings ever since.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 22:02:41 No.112165173 Report

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>>112164949
>saving Star Wars
Which isn't really accurate since it's making less than TLJ, the movie that "killed" Star Wars.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 22:04:27 No.112165203 Report

Quoted By: >>112165256

>>112164873
>Matt Martin washed his hands of the movie too.
What? He's been tweeting random trivia bits from ROS.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 22:04:53 No.112165213 Report

Quoted By: >>112165454

>>112165125
>TRoS really isn't any worse than TFA or TLJ
Sheev's return is a pretty big deal. Like it or not, the Chosen One storyline was a big part of the saga, and we've reached the point where the Chosen One not only didn't accomplish what he was supposed to, the galaxy had to wait 30 years for someone unrelated to do it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 22:04:54 No.112165214 Report

Quoted By: >>112165246

>>112165156
>"Bring the balance to the Force Rey, as I once did."
>all he did was put Sheev on a plan B
Poor Anakin.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 22:06:27 No.112165235 Report

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>>112165125
TRoS basically breaks the universe in a lot of ways and there really isn't any way to tell a compelling story after it. It's basically fucked up the entire sequel era, and that era already was pretty shitty.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 22:06:55 No.112165246 Report

Quoted By: >>112165320 >>112165424

>>112165214
his own death made it so there was only one sith left who needed a decade and a half to start getting back in gear for his galactic domination plan. I'd say he did alright.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 22:07:28 No.112165256 Report

Quoted By: >>112165272

>>112165203
I meant that he publicly declared that he had nothing to do with the production. Which, of course, can be understood as a mere declaration of facts, but given what is rumored about the behind-the-scenes going ons at LFL and the bad history they had with Bad Robot, there's a lot that can be read into it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 22:08:14 No.112165272 Report

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>>112165256
What are these rumors and where can I read more?

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Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 22:09:09 No.112165283 Report

Quoted By: >>112166325

>>112165156
>"I know! I'll bring back the Emperor! People love the Emperor! That'll fix everything!"
>puts absolutely zero thought into how this is supposed to work or what implications the emperor's survival has on the entire rest of the franchise
Truly a visionary for our time

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 22:11:01 No.112165320 Report

Quoted By: >>112165337 >>112165424

>>112165246
>You are prophesied to destroy the Sith and restore balance to the Force
>for a decade and a half

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 22:11:51 No.112165337 Report

Quoted By: >>112165376 >>112165417

>>112165320
balance was restored, nothing said it had to last

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 22:14:37 No.112165376 Report

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>>112165337
If Palpatine is still around (presumably kept alive by the dark side) then there isn't actual balance in the force.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 22:16:29 No.112165417 Report

Quoted By: >>112165448 >>112165497

>>112165337
That doesn't even make sense. There's no way in hell someone as powerful in the Dark Side as the Emperor doesn't survive and Luke wouldn't know it almost immediately. Hell he'd have a fucking Force Ghost party in his house every night saying MOTHERFUCKER SHEEV DIDN'T DIE GET BACK OUT THERE AND FUCKING FIND HIM

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 22:17:12 No.112165424 Report

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>>112165246
>>112165320
It wasn't even that long. Sheev got into Ben's head right from the womb, so he was delayed by maybe a year.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 22:18:34 No.112165448 Report

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>>112165417
The worst part of that is that he did catch on at some point, tried to find more information... and then just gave up and went about his life, as detailed >>112164777 here. Apparently the potential return of the Emperor wasn't a big enough deal to do more research and Luke just seemed to hope it would go away on its own.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 22:18:44 No.112165454 Report

Quoted By: >>112165522 >>112165541 >>112165619 >>112165623

>>112165213
>Sheev's return is a pretty big deal
Sure. But does it make TRoS particularly worse than TLJ or TFA? I really don't think so.
>Like it or not, the Chosen One storyline was a big part of the saga
The fact that TRoS happens to piss on one of the stupidest ideas of the prequels doesn't do much to incense me. I agree that it's flagrant disregard for previously established ideas, and I'm sure it will lead to some dumb contrivances being introduced in some comics or a novel, but the entire trilogy is contrived already. Snoke is contrived. The First Order is contrived. Kylo's backstory with Luke and Snoke is contrived. The prequels themselves abound with contrivances, but we've grown accustomed to glossing over them or grudgingly accepting them because 1999 feels like a long time ago, now. But it wasn't always, I assure you. I'm not trying to defend the movie, but if you went into TRoS expecting something good after TFA and TLJ I don't know what to tell you.

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Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 22:21:20 No.112165497 Report

Quoted By: >>112165628

>>112165417
>should we tell him the Emperor teleported to another planet and is probably already planning his return?
>nah let's not ruin his night, I think he might get lucky with that Ewok girl he's dancing with

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 22:22:22 No.112165522 Report

Quoted By:

>>112165454
Nobody said we were expecting anything good, just that TROS does more to shit on the rest of the saga than TLJ did.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 22:23:36 No.112165541 Report

Quoted By: >>112165628

>>112165454
>I'm not trying to defend the movie
This is literally what you are doing. You're even defending one of the biggest middle fingers to the Lucas films as "well that was a dumb idea anyway"

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 22:27:54 No.112165619 Report

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>>112165454
Whether you consider the prophecy good or not, the prequels reframed the saga to be about the fall and redemption of Anakin Skywalker and him destroying the Sith. If someone watches the saga now, the first six movies will be all about that and then they'll suddenly get these three where the prophecy isn't adressed at all and Anakin's actions and role in the story that brought about the destruction of the Jedi Order and ascencion of the Empire apparently didn't carry the same significance we were told. I don't have a problem with the Force being swung out of balance again, as that is inevitable, but the destruction of Sidious and the end of the Banite line absolutely should have been set in stone.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 22:28:00 No.112165623 Report

Quoted By: >>112165699 >>112165834

>>112165454
>The prequels themselves abound with contrivances, but we've grown accustomed to glossing over them or grudgingly accepting them because 1999 feels like a long time ago, now
The problem was that the prequel's contrivances created continuity issues and head scratchers within the OT, but didn't actively make the OT itself pointless. The ST does this and each movie in the trilogy seems to do more and more to make the OT and even the PT pointless. Snoke already brought the Chosen One business into question, but it could at least be said that the prophecy was about destroying the Sith and not all darkness (to the point that even the TLJ Visual Dictionary tried to defend it with this logic). Now you can't even claim that.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 22:28:18 No.112165628 Report

Quoted By: >>112165699

>>112165497
>>112165541
>just that TROS does more to shit on the rest of the saga than TLJ did.
And I don't think it does. Snoke and the First Order already shat on the story (including the precious Chosen One prophecy!). I agree that bringing back the Emperor was egregiously lazy (I detailed the gist of what I thought IX could have been here >>112156114), but it's par for the course.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 22:32:36 No.112165699 Report

Quoted By: >>112165718 >>112166055

>>112165623
>>112165628
I actually don't remember this, when did Snoke talk about the chosen one?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 22:33:58 No.112165718 Report

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>>112165699
He didn't. But the initial idea of the Chosen One was that he brought balance to the Force, and the presence of powerful dark siders like Snoke and Kylo sort of throw a wrench into that. But at least he destroyed the Sith.

Except he didn't. So Anakin accomplished jack shit.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 22:40:34 No.112165834 Report

Quoted By: >>112166927

>>112165623
>to the point that even the TLJ Visual Dictionary tried to defend it with this logic
The part in question for anyone curious

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 22:42:53 No.112165876 Report

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>>112164908
confirmed legit by who?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 22:44:08 No.112165904 Report

Quoted By: >>112166248

>>112139007
dude the whole plot leaked in advance from test screenings.

and it had like 3 different cuts, the movie abrahms did didn't even got to those.

they just added more and more shit.

until it was nothing but noise and fanservice.

lucas had a cut and that shit got shunned cause the executives right now want to make a stand about their vision being the right one.

they really shat the bed. HARD from projections and the movies dead on china.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 22:48:54 No.112165981 Report

Quoted By: >>112166300

>>112141734
>consider what TLJ was actually trying to say in relation to SW's long-standing themes

i wanna give this point sum thought, it did had interesting commentary in it, but that was UP to the throne room scene, it could've ended there and it the building to a better third movie delivery would have been so easy and finally for once different but naaah the same movie jettisoned everything to black and white to the point the movie feels like nothing. jedi and sith still fight, everyone is happy on the run (everyone that matters)
and they shouldn't be, everyone died but they're almost to the point of partiying.
its
so
fucking bad, and i just know its disney shit, cause stuff like phasmas ACTUAL dead being deleted just cause she could come back maybe to sell more toys reeks of executive fuckery.

especially when one of the best movie watchans of the years was the Knives Out movie.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 22:53:19 No.112166055 Report

Quoted By:

>>112165699
He doesn't, but Snoke's very existence kind of lays bare why the Chosen One prophecy was always a little stupid. The Sith have never been depicted as having a monopoly over the Dark Side (it would ruin the point of the Dark Side if they did). Given that, even if the Sith are the biggest and baddest Dark Side dickheads around, it stands to reason that even in their absence similar forces of evil could rise up. In other words, this means the prophecy is either meaningless or reduced to such a tedious technicality that it doesn't really justify the loftiness of being prophesized to begin with. The EU ran into the same issue.

But that's obviously not something Lucas was concerned with when he devised it, since he didn't intend for the story to go beyond Return of the Jedi. It was just an easy way of keeping RotJ's climax on everybody's minds (as if we would forget) and inflating Anakin's significance (as if he wasn't already important).

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 23:04:01 No.112166248 Report

Quoted By: >>112166271 >>112166435

>>112165904
Leaks say that Lucasfilm both hate and love JJ abrams's version of ROS and only one can be true. Pretty sure it's not the one that says George Lucas secretly filmed his own cut of the movie with Matt fucking Smith in it.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 23:04:57 No.112166267 Report

Quoted By: >>112166294 >>112166312 >>112166406 >>112166503

So if Snoke was literally just Sheev controlling a meat puppet from light years away, does that mean Sheev was stupid enough to fall for Kylo's bait and switch?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 23:05:09 No.112166271 Report

Quoted By:

>>112166248
the secretly filmed part makes me think he did it on his backyard
with cardboard
and matt smitt was drunk as heck and didn't know what happened or how he got there.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 23:05:31 No.112166277 Report

Quoted By:

>tfw you watch the Last Jedi for the first time just too see how bad it really is
It's actually kinda fascinating how you can make a movie about space wizards so fucking boring.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 23:06:33 No.112166294 Report

Quoted By: >>112166396

>>112166267
Yes. He basically falls for the same shit in this one, and even does the bit where he's describing what Rey will do.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 23:06:57 No.112166300 Report

Quoted By:

>>112165981
True, I'd like for the movie to be more thorough and don't walk itself back in the third act too, but on the other hand, the Manichean morality is intergral to George's conception of Star Wars, so for all the relativizing and deconstruction, I understand why they didn't go all the way. They could have left the middle chapter in a more ambiguous place, with Rey joining Kylo for the time being, but in hindsight, I wouldn't have trusted Trevorrow to resolve it any better than Abrams would. As far as Luke in the third act was concerned though, I thought his actions demonstrated the importance of the Jedi ideal, as a protector and inspiration of the community, over the Jedi institution and fighting force (thus presenting a counterpoint and solution to the old Order's failure), so I thought that brought about the greater arc of the Jedi over all three trilogies nicely.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 23:07:32 No.112166312 Report

Quoted By: >>112166363 >>112167486

>>112166267
he was dumb enough to fall for the ol' "get zapped by my own reflected lightning" thing again so you know

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 23:08:07 No.112166325 Report

Quoted By:

>>112165283
The guy made Star Trek Into Darkness. No more need be said, he's a hack.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 23:10:16 No.112166363 Report

Quoted By:

>>112166312
>ah but I'm already ugly, what's the lightning going to do make me double ugly?
>OH FUCK I DIDN'T THINK THIS THROUGH

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 23:12:00 No.112166392 Report

Quoted By: >>112166417 >>112166463

>>112165111
I fucking guarantee that once the dust settles, the story group will retcon this. Every single one of them is committed to preserving Anakin's sacrifice, there is no way they let JJ decide that the Rey is more important than the literal chosen one.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 23:12:08 No.112166396 Report

Quoted By:

>>112166294
That shit is honestly really confusing. They did the same exact scene, almost beat for beat, and I can't understand why. It doesn't even feel like something Palpatine would do. It's so fucking weird.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 23:12:53 No.112166406 Report

Quoted By: >>112166555

>>112166267
TRoS VD claims that Sheev planned for Snoke to be his new Dooku, in that he served to facilitate Kylo's growth in the Dark side and was always meant to fall to him when Kylo is powerful enough. Please don't question why Snoke puts Rey in the crosshairs, even though she was Sheev's real prize all along, thanks.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 23:13:36 No.112166417 Report

Quoted By: >>112166443 >>112166510

>>112166392
The thing is, how do they retcon it? They can't undo the movie.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 23:14:32 No.112166435 Report

Quoted By: >>112166486

>>112166248
>Matt fucking Smith
Holy shit where is that dude? I completely forgot he was supposed to be in there

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 23:14:48 No.112166443 Report

Quoted By:

>>112166417
go rogue from disney and declare them not canon and make sure the word spreads through all the """major""" news outlets to stifle disney telling those companies to pull the story 100%

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 23:15:42 No.112166463 Report

Quoted By: >>112166510 >>112166529

>>112166392
Literally how will they retcon it though? Absolutely no one gives a shit about EU books so any retcon there will might as well not exist. No one will want to make a post ST game/tv show, so that's out too. And they're not going to get to put retcons in another movie because Lucasfilm has shown they don't give a shit about the story group.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 23:16:46 No.112166486 Report

Quoted By: >>112166575

>>112166435
He was never in it. Matt Smith was a placeholder name for Ian McDiarmid so the reveal wouldn't get spoiled. Matt Smith has said multiple times he wasn't in it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 23:17:52 No.112166503 Report

Quoted By:

>>112166267
He wasn't his puppet, he simply created a disciple for himself instead to search for it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 23:18:31 No.112166510 Report

Quoted By: >>112166526 >>112166555

>>112166417
>>112166463
they'll let it slip that Sheev in IX was a clone, or a creation of the cultists. It doeesn't matter if general audiences see it or not, it's not like IX is going to get a direct sequel ever.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 23:19:37 No.112166526 Report

Quoted By: >>112166613

>>112166510
Neither of those fix the actual issue.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 23:19:53 No.112166529 Report

Quoted By: >>112166546

>>112166463
The fourth trilogy. I'm not even joking, that it'll be made is a foregone conclusion and the way TRoS is resolved, Rey didn't fix any of the underlying issues, so the cycle will repeat again. Eventually Ben Solo will come back, who will serve as Anakin's proxy.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 23:19:57 No.112166530 Report

Quoted By: >>112166671

>>112131053
Fuck off faggot. Rian and TLJ sucked and this nustory group isn't much better. TRoS sucked but it was still better than TLJ.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 23:20:50 No.112166546 Report

Quoted By:

>>112166529
The new trilogy ain't following the ST. It'll be old republic if anything.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 23:21:00 No.112166548 Report

Quoted By:

>>112148739
No Luke committed suicide by force instead of flying in his X-Wing or going with Rey to fix his mistakes.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 23:21:07 No.112166555 Report

Quoted By: >>112166658

>>112166406
>>112166510
So Snoke went semi-rogue?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 23:22:29 No.112166575 Report

Quoted By:

>>112166486
Huh.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 23:24:05 No.112166605 Report

Quoted By: >>112166629 >>112166675 >>112166709

I'm not sure what people mean when they say TLJ tried something "new". "The Resistance also uses black market dealers like the First Order" or "Rey might join Kylo!" never actually go anywhere and the movie ends roughly the same place it started, just with Luke and Snoke dead.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 23:24:39 No.112166613 Report

Quoted By: >>112166646 >>112166678 >>112166849

>>112166526
Sheev surviving undoes the entire PT and OT. At least if he dies, but is resurrected by cultists it doesn't completely undo Anakin's sacrifice; the movie still damages the universe in ways even the old EU never did, but at least it isn't directly shitting on George's story by making Rey more important than Anakin.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 23:25:03 No.112166623 Report

Quoted By: >>112166696

>Rey learns how to use Force lightning all by herself
Turns out she's actually a Dooku!

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 23:25:26 No.112166629 Report

Quoted By:

>>112166605
TLJ took away more from the Star Wars universe than it added. This is 100% fact.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 23:26:15 No.112166646 Report

Quoted By: >>112166679

>>112166613
The fact that Anakin himself and a ton of Jedi we know show up to say "you're more important than us, Rey" felt like JJ was just pouring salt on the wound.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 23:26:49 No.112166658 Report

Quoted By:

>>112166555
No one knows. Presumably not, since Sheev claims to have been Snoke's presence in Kylo's mind, so he must have been under direct control from Sheev, but then you have Snoke acting illogically in the grand scheme of Sheev's plan and Sheev not being aware of the Force Dyad, even though Snoke was. It's a mess.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 23:27:28 No.112166671 Report

Quoted By: >>112166699 >>112166742

>>112166530
>TRoS sucked but it was still better than TLJ.
You seriously cannot claim that in any honesty, unless for whatever reason, you're an unironic Abrams-fans.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 23:27:46 No.112166675 Report

Quoted By:

>>112166605
it tried burning everything down, that's new

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 23:27:49 No.112166678 Report

Quoted By: >>112166721 >>112166803

>>112166613
TLJ already did that when Yoda claims that Rey doesn't need no master and she is a greater Jedi than Luke.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 23:27:50 No.112166679 Report

Quoted By:

>>112166646
I don't think it was intended to heighten Rey so much as just convey a sense of finality. In doing so it inflates Rey's importance, but I don't think that was the actual point of the scene.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 23:28:47 No.112166696 Report

Quoted By:

>>112166623
>the Sith have groupies
>Sheev doesn't know his favorite groupie is getting boinked by Dooku on the side
>said groupie reveals she's pregnant around the same time Sheev declares himself Emperor
>he spends the rest of his life and even his resurrected life believing the child is his and thus Rey is his grandchild
>somewhere in the netherworld of the Force Dooku smiles

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 23:28:52 No.112166699 Report

Quoted By:

>>112166671
I agree with him. They're both dismally written movies, but TRoS is more visually interesting to me even if it rushes through things so quickly its setpieces and settings don't have the time to stick that they deserved or needed.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 23:29:10 No.112166709 Report

Quoted By:

>>112166605
Disney just instructed their poor office slave shills back online with RoS dropping. These poor subhumans are worked to death in exchange for one Mousebuck(tm) per post defending TLJ and other Sequel movies which they can redeem for food and heroin. Poor creatures, most of them must have died of exhaustion by now.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 23:29:51 No.112166721 Report

Quoted By: >>112166797

>>112166678
He didn't say that. He said the tree that he just set fire to didn't contain anything Rey didn't already have. At the end of the movie we realize he's being sly and is referring to the fact that Rey took the books with her.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 23:31:28 No.112166742 Report

Quoted By: >>112166821

>>112166671
TRoS has better
>action
>adventure
>humor
>original characters
than TLJ so I view it as the better film. The entire ST sucks. But at least Abrams films don't have shit like Holdo and stupid generic messages.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 23:34:14 No.112166797 Report

Quoted By: >>112166811

>>112166721
Yes he did. He said, "Luke, we are what they grow beyond. That is the true burden of all masters." Which pretty much means Rey is the greatest. This is untrue of course since Dooku never surpassed Yoda, Ahsoka never surpassed Anakin and probably a bunch of other examples.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 23:34:40 No.112166803 Report

Quoted By:

>>112166678
The point of Yoda's statements is that the new Jedi shouldn't be constrained by the Jedi doctrine ("look past the old books"). Not like that matters, since Yoda must have been aware that she took them anyway. As for the "We are what they grow beyond", that's more about Yoda assuring Luke that it's safe to let the students find their own way, instead of trying to shape them into what they wanted - which is a lesson Yoda himself learned from Luke, when he defied him in the OT.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 23:35:10 No.112166811 Report

Quoted By:

>>112166797
>I'm gonna intentionally misread a basic line so I have an excuse to be mad!

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 23:35:34 No.112166821 Report

Quoted By: >>112166889 >>112167163

>>112166742
>original characters
The only good original character in TROS is Zorii Bliss and that's only because she had such little screen time they couldn't wreck her. Babu Frick is worse than Jar Jar, and Girl Finn is a non-character.

At least TLJ had Crazy Decoder guy. He was cool.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 23:36:55 No.112166842 Report

Quoted By: >>112166939

>>112130500
>two lightsabers

isn't that his one weakness?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 23:37:16 No.112166849 Report

Quoted By:

>>112166613
Palpatine being back because Sith cultists brought him back immediately after he died is effectively the same as Sheev just surviving anyway.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 23:39:37 No.112166889 Report

Quoted By: >>112167015

>>112166821
>Babu Frick is worse than Jar Jar,
No.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 23:41:29 No.112166927 Report

Quoted By:

>>112165834
Darth Bane?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 23:42:18 No.112166939 Report

Quoted By:

>>112166842
Ah, but unless they're crossed together in a proper X shape, they do nothing!

See the enclosed example. See how the lightsabers are crossed, and yet only form a very long x-shape? It's not the right shape! Thus, he is unharmed! See how he laughs!

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 23:43:38 No.112166961 Report

Quoted By: >>112167006

Would Obi-Wan on a high ground be able to beat Rey's crossed lightsabers?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 23:45:36 No.112167006 Report

Quoted By:

>>112166961
No. Rey is special, and thus her presence cancels out the high ground advantage.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 23:46:06 No.112167015 Report

Quoted By: >>112167259

>>112166889
Jar Jar is just obnoxious but ultimately he's just stupid slapstick comedy. Babu Frick is obnoxious and is part of one of the dumbest scenes in the whole movie.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 23:54:25 No.112167159 Report

Quoted By:

>>112146904
doesn't help bogoya is a terrible actor

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 23:54:32 No.112167163 Report

Quoted By:

>>112166821
Zorri and Jannah are a million times better than Holdo and Rose. Babu Frick is better than DJ as well. Seriously fuck off Rian.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 23:56:51 No.112167195 Report

Quoted By:

>>112146917
That is fucking wrong. He had PTSD from one of his students going columbine in George's treatments

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2019 23:57:50 No.112167214 Report

Quoted By: >>112167322

>Hux's story ends with a total wet fart

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 26 Dec 2019 00:00:22 No.112167259 Report

Quoted By: >>112167300

>>112167015
>Jar Jar
>not part of some of the dumbest scenes in the prequels
What are you smoking? I don't even hate Jar Jar that much compared to other things the prequels do, but Babu Frik is pretty inoffensive even if the "I'm looking at my friends for one last time" scene is dumb.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 26 Dec 2019 00:02:07 No.112167300 Report

Quoted By:

>>112167259
He's in the worst scenes but it's just shitty comedy that falls flat. Babu Frick wailing like a retard while wiping C3PO is garbage emotional pandering done in the laziest way possible.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 26 Dec 2019 00:03:08 No.112167322 Report

Quoted By: >>112167353 >>112167400

>>112167214
What was the point of General Pryde anyway? Other than retconning JJ's own set up of the First Order as young Empire LARPers who replaced the old guard in the thirty years since Endor and forcing in Sheev's keikaku.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 26 Dec 2019 00:05:14 No.112167353 Report

Quoted By: >>112167422

>>112167322
JJ is a retard who's bad at making movies, he just gets away with it because the only people stupider than him are consoomers.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 26 Dec 2019 00:08:28 No.112167400 Report

Quoted By: >>112167422 >>112169886

>>112167322
I guess they needed a scary officer character and Hux didn't cut it? That's about all I can think of. Pryde's role could've easily gone to Hux, though. It wasn't strictly necessary for him to have been an old Imperial, since Hux is such an opportunist that the moment Sheev contacted them to say Kylo betrayed him and he needs a new second in command, Hux would take that in a heartbeat.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 26 Dec 2019 00:09:46 No.112167422 Report

Quoted By: >>112167445 >>112167494 >>112167644

>>112167353
>>112167400
Probably because TLJ shit on Hux and made him a joke. But you Rianfags love that shit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 26 Dec 2019 00:11:00 No.112167445 Report

Quoted By:

>>112167422
>you Rianfags
Who are you even talking to?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 26 Dec 2019 00:11:21 No.112167455 Report

Quoted By: >>112167638

>Great Movies
TESB
>Good movies
ANH
>Meh Movies
RotJ
R1
Solo
RotS
TLJ
>Bad movies
TFA
TRoS
AotC
TPM
TCW movie

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 26 Dec 2019 00:13:07 No.112167483 Report

Quoted By: >>112167643

>>112130621
>Luke, have I ever told you about the prophecy of the Chosen One? Once upon a time, the jedi believed that one day, a man will born, who destroys the sith and brings balance to the Force, but as it turns out, there is no need for the Chosen One at all. As it turns out, the Force actually wants the Dark Side to exist, and constantly balances out itself on the regular basis, constantly creating new, extremely powerful force users on both sides - sometimes, with no training or upbringing required at all! This means that if the sith are ever eradicated, they will just spring up again under a different name, and if the jedi end, a different order will rise in our place soon, and it will go on forever and ever.
TLJ already started that shit

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 26 Dec 2019 00:13:18 No.112167486 Report

Quoted By: >>112167605

>>112166312
Sheevs lightning fetish just backfired. Again. For the third time.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 26 Dec 2019 00:13:50 No.112167494 Report

Quoted By:

>>112167422
Instead of being a respectable film maker JJ threw away his broken toys instead of finding new ways to play

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 26 Dec 2019 00:22:16 No.112167605 Report

Quoted By: >>112167641

>>112167486
He should've learned from Darth Plagueis, whose only fetish was holovideos of women's feet stepping on cottage cheese

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 26 Dec 2019 00:24:22 No.112167638 Report

Quoted By: >>112170193

>>112167455
t. Disney's target audience

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 26 Dec 2019 00:25:03 No.112167641 Report

Quoted By: >>112167699

>>112167605
But anon, Plagueis fell asleep after a hard fap session watching his foot fetish videos. That's when Sheev struck. Bane didn't even originally intend for his apprentice to kill him, it was also a fetish gone wrong that the apprentice misinterpreted and it thus became a Sith tradition.

Maybe Sith are just doomed to be destroyed by their fetishes.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 26 Dec 2019 00:25:11 No.112167643 Report

Quoted By:

>>112167483
>TLJ invented Rey

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 26 Dec 2019 00:25:14 No.112167644 Report

Quoted By: >>112167690 >>112167725 >>112172424

>>112167422
Rian made one abysmally shit movie, JJ made two and also fucked up Star Trek as well, I hate them both for fucking up Star Wars, get out of here ST shill, you won't get away with trying to play this off as just hating one or the other director.
I
hate
all
of
the
sequel
movies

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 26 Dec 2019 00:28:32 No.112167690 Report

Quoted By:

>>112167644
I hate almost everything Star Wars released after 1983. But at least we've made a lot of Good Friends along the way.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 26 Dec 2019 00:29:05 No.112167699 Report

Quoted By:

>>112167641
>Out of all people Sith are the ones that get destroyed by their desires because they embrace them too hard.

Pottery.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 26 Dec 2019 00:30:52 No.112167725 Report

Quoted By: >>112167766 >>112167819 >>112167904

>>112167644
I enjoy the sequels.

It's the prequels that I despise.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 26 Dec 2019 00:32:24 No.112167742 Report

Quoted By: >>112167766

Is Plagueis's race established in the canon? Has anything really mentioned him yet?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 26 Dec 2019 00:33:54 No.112167766 Report

Quoted By: >>112167801 >>112167884 >>112168023 >>112168049 >>112168689

>>112167725
I can't wrap my head around how you could acknowledge and dislike the problems of the prequels but simultaneously enjoy the sequels, they're like all of the shit in the prequels but on pcp with a thin veneer of AAA CGI and stage production slapped on.
>>112167742
Nah, as far as I'm concerned I don't give a shit what NUcanon says regarding him, on top of that the way NUcanon works legends can be considered supplementary canon so long as it doesn't contradict NUcanon. That being the case the Plageuis novel is still supplemental canon since nothing new contradicts it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 26 Dec 2019 00:36:23 No.112167801 Report

Quoted By:

>>112167766

Watching Skywalker I was happy that at the very least this trilogy had decent actual acting vs the prequels. Cause Johnson and Abrams can actually work with actors.

The effects might hold up better too but who knows honestly.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 26 Dec 2019 00:38:33 No.112167819 Report

Quoted By:

>>112167725
The prequels are far better

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 26 Dec 2019 00:42:49 No.112167884 Report

Quoted By: >>112172078

>>112167766
Sequels also do a lot more damage to the OT characters.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 26 Dec 2019 00:43:55 No.112167904 Report

Quoted By:

>>112167725
You sound gay.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 26 Dec 2019 00:51:49 No.112168023 Report

Quoted By: >>112168515

>>112167766
>That being the case the Plageuis novel is still supplemental canon since nothing new contradicts it.
TCW already contradicted it, particularly the Maul stuff.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 26 Dec 2019 00:53:41 No.112168049 Report

Quoted By:

>>112167766
>on top of that the way NUcanon works legends can be considered supplementary canon so long as it doesn't contradict NUcanon.
That's more like how the EU operated. The canon doesn't work that way. Material is either canon or it isn't.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 26 Dec 2019 01:22:32 No.112168491 Report

Quoted By: >>112168513 >>112168654 >>112168696 >>112169475

So... who is Rey's grandmother?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 26 Dec 2019 01:23:56 No.112168513 Report

Quoted By:

>>112168491
lol you think Abrams bothered actually figuring that out?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 26 Dec 2019 01:24:00 No.112168515 Report

Quoted By:

>>112168023
I guess it does contradict the maul stuff, but we never see a different version of Plagueis himself, we never see a different version of Sheev's distant past, so even if you tie yourself to the shitcanon, it can still be used to explain a lot of stuff. Personally I don't, shit is not worth clinging on to and so the Plagueis novel surpasses in my estimation any of NUcanon's trash.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 26 Dec 2019 01:33:36 No.112168654 Report

Quoted By:

>>112168491
Mas Amedda

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 26 Dec 2019 01:35:43 No.112168689 Report

Quoted By:

>>112167766
That's not how nucanon works. Anything from Legends is outright non-canon unless and until it is outright confirmed in a Disney work.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 26 Dec 2019 01:36:13 No.112168696 Report

Quoted By:

>>112168491
A clone of Padme. He made Vader watch, too.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 26 Dec 2019 01:40:32 No.112168777 Report

Quoted By:

>>112146847
Worthikids is a treasure

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 26 Dec 2019 02:26:17 No.112169475 Report

Quoted By:

>>112168491
>There was no mother. I carried him, I gave birth, I raised him. I can't explain what happened.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 26 Dec 2019 02:51:50 No.112169886 Report

Quoted By: >>112169905 >>112170055

>>112167400
All these other reasons and a not so subtle jab at white people. The white woman takes down the (white) Supremacy with a noble sacrifice. (White) Pryde goes down before a multicultural coalition. It's the same reason why all the First Order officers are fucking screaming their heads off because that's what the writers think the nazis were like, completely without charisma or purpose.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 26 Dec 2019 02:52:49 No.112169905 Report

Quoted By: >>112170080

>>112169886
>i-it's all white genocide!

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 26 Dec 2019 03:02:28 No.112170055 Report

Quoted By: >>112170522

>>112169886
Dude like 75% of the FO were darkies

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 26 Dec 2019 03:03:58 No.112170080 Report

Quoted By:

>>112169905
I wouldn't go that far, but it is very obvious symbolism from two hack writers.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 26 Dec 2019 03:10:33 No.112170193 Report

Quoted By:

>>112167638
Show your workings, faggot

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 26 Dec 2019 03:27:20 No.112170453 Report

Quoted By: >>112170469

>>112144739
Like that’s any worse than the shit we’ve been given.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 26 Dec 2019 03:28:29 No.112170469 Report

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>>112170453
It's not worse but that's not the same as better

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 26 Dec 2019 03:31:18 No.112170515 Report

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Star Wars has been shit since 1983 with the exception of a handful of videogames, Tartakovsky Wars and The Mandolorian. Rogue One was okay, too.

The Disney Wars movies being overwhelmingly crap does NOT make the Godawful prequels any better or Lucas any less of a hack.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 26 Dec 2019 03:31:47 No.112170522 Report

Quoted By: >>112170892

>>112170055
Seriously, there were men and women of every shade on both sides. Even the stormtroopers.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 26 Dec 2019 03:56:39 No.112170892 Report

Quoted By: >>112171869 >>112174094

>>112170522
Except this is wrong, Disneyfag. The First Order officers were all white.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 26 Dec 2019 04:13:05 No.112171171 Report

Quoted By: >>112171240

>Vader dead
>exiled to Exegol
>made Snoke to be his agent
>trained Kylo via Snoke
>sought to turn Rey into his successor
>spent decades without a proper placeholder apprentice
Sheev you shame your Sith ancestors

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 26 Dec 2019 04:18:03 No.112171240 Report

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>>112171171
I'm sure they'll retcon Snoke to secretly be Darth Snoke or something

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 26 Dec 2019 04:24:12 No.112171328 Report

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>>112137491
https://youtu.be/q0r4jNhG9Z4?t=277

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 26 Dec 2019 04:44:20 No.112171593 Report

Quoted By: >>112172032 >>112172476

>>112130500
God, I wish the sequels after the Force Awakens were decent, but, no they turned to craaaaap. Like Force Awakens was decent, and I think my favorite character was Finn despite his characterization zigzagging at some points. He at least had more of a character compared to Rey.

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Anonymous Thu 26 Dec 2019 04:45:58 No.112171623 Report

Quoted By: >>112172331

Yeah that's a great idea, JJ. Except the series already dealt with that when Luke found out Vader was his dad you hack.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 26 Dec 2019 05:03:06 No.112171869 Report

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>>112170892
There was at least one black woman on the council or whatever that Ren talks to a bit at one point

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 26 Dec 2019 05:14:34 No.112172003 Report

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>>112130609
Its him hes alive and originally they decided the ohat died was a puppet clone. They dropped that and the official answer is no answer. God this new trilogy is a car crash.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 26 Dec 2019 05:16:44 No.112172026 Report

Quoted By: >>112172050 >>112172124 >>112172126 >>112172342

>>112130609
Also the original plan was the son of mordis from the clone wars. Studio or disney channel force sheev. Dagger of mordis is left over.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 26 Dec 2019 05:16:59 No.112172032 Report

Quoted By: >>112172055

>>112171593

Finn is a great character concept a Stormtrooper who becomes dislusioned, the hints of him in Rise at him being Force Sensitive could of been really something if he was the main character of the trilogy starting as a Stromtrooper and ending as a Jedi.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 26 Dec 2019 05:18:36 No.112172050 Report

Quoted By: >>112172073

>>112172026

On one hand Rey beating a somehow alive Palpatine is dumb, on the other her beating the literal physical embodiment of the all the concepts and aspects of Dark Side of the Force would probably be even dumber.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 26 Dec 2019 05:18:55 No.112172055 Report

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>>112172032
Not really that original though since he was just meant to be diversity quota Kyle Katarn.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 26 Dec 2019 05:20:52 No.112172073 Report

Quoted By: >>112172151

>>112172050
Maybe but then JJ decided to retcon it so that the Sith Apprentice usurping the Master also includes sucking out all their Force juice, so Sheev literally has all the power of every Sith who came before him.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 26 Dec 2019 05:21:03 No.112172078 Report

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>>112167884

The Sequels basically render all the main characters from both the OT AND PT irrelevant .. expect for Sheev.. it's kind of amazing that they managed to pull that level of story destruction off. "Skywalker Saga" Why? they were a bunch of failures who amounted to pretty much nothing in the end. It's pretty much the "Palpatine Saga" now he's the character behind the entire plot and pretty much the only one with true agency.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 26 Dec 2019 05:24:12 No.112172124 Report

Quoted By: >>112172150

>>112172026
Shoulda made it so that Luke fighting Abeloth and driving her into the shadows was the backstory of the previous 30 years
She returns from the Maw or somewhere else and starts brainwashing Luke's students and forms an empire of her own, eventually even claiming Ben Solo
Abeloth remains the CONSISTENT prime antagonist, any fetch quest shit can be streamlined from those stupid map holocrons to just the Dagger of Mortis, Ahsoka is relevant even if she doesn't appear in person
Lets there be a threat from the Unknown that isn't just literally another Palpatine, then LITERALLY Palpatine
This isn't a very good idea but I'm trying to stick as close to the framework of the movies as we actually got them
I don't know what the fuck to do with rey tho

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 26 Dec 2019 05:24:16 No.112172126 Report

Quoted By: >>112172145

>>112172026
You're making that up. Even MSW which reports everything no matter how dumb never reported that.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 26 Dec 2019 05:25:29 No.112172145 Report

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>>112172126
I think he's talking about that Midnight's Edge video.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 26 Dec 2019 05:25:39 No.112172150 Report

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>>112172124
no, fuck everything about Abeloth

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 26 Dec 2019 05:25:45 No.112172151 Report

Quoted By: >>112172164 >>112172178

>>112172073

If that's the case wouldn't that just make him... exactly as strong as he was in the PT and OT? Cause there were no Sith after him and Vader died as Anakin.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 26 Dec 2019 05:26:41 No.112172164 Report

Quoted By: >>112172178

>>112172151
yeah but shut up

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 26 Dec 2019 05:27:29 No.112172178 Report

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>>112172151
>>112172164
And he never obviously had the opportunity to steal Maul or Dooku's life essence, which probably would've been worth doing since they were both extremely powerful despite being surplus to requirements.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 26 Dec 2019 05:29:01 No.112172206 Report

Quoted By: >>112172229

>yfw disney does the EU up through the Vong invasion with the new cast
Shit, they already did Dark Empire in the worst way possible.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 26 Dec 2019 05:30:25 No.112172229 Report

Quoted By: >>112172256

>>112172206
Daisy, Boyega, and Isaac all said TROS is their last Star Wars movie

and I honestly don't blame them

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 26 Dec 2019 05:32:46 No.112172256 Report

Quoted By: >>112172288

>>112172229
Their last Star Wars movie until Disney drops a several million dollars in their mailbox, not even considering how much they'd pay to get all three of them back.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 26 Dec 2019 05:35:58 No.112172288 Report

Quoted By: >>112172337

>>112172256
I'm sure Disney offered them all a pretty fat paycheck to renew their contracts already, but between the harassment and being stuck in three shitty movies, I doubt they want to put up with it anymore. Isaac and Boyega already have decent careers that will continue fine without Star Wars, and Daisy will probably just sort of fade into being a C-list occasional actor like Hayden Christensen.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 26 Dec 2019 05:39:02 No.112172331 Report

Quoted By: >>112172800 >>112173223

>>112171623
What pisses me off most about this is that it's another example of Abrams copying something from the OT without understanding it. All he sees is the big shocker that Vader was Luke's father. He ignores the part where this fundamentally alters his worldview and causes him to change his path. He started training as a Jedi to be this hero adventurer that saves the galaxy, but in the end he realizes that there's another way and he refuses to fight his father. This leads to awakened compassion in his father and Luke wins not by beating the Sith in combat but by reawakening his father's humanity.

Rey... sees a vision of herself as a villain, kills Kylo for a bit, gets spooked and runs to Ahch-to, gets a quick pep talk from Luke, and she's good to go. The revelation that she's a Palpatine doesn't really change her path nor does it really affect her worldview. It doesn't change how she fights nor does it in any way change her motivation. Nothing about her changes- she's still the same person at the end of the movie that she was at the beginning. Even the foreshadowing that her anger gives her power just kind of gets brushed aside, at no point does she actually learn to control it or to better manage that anger.

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Anonymous Thu 26 Dec 2019 05:39:23 No.112172337 Report

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>>112172288
Only time will tell and money speaks louder than words. Personally I wouldn't be at all surprised to see them back in action within the next five years.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 26 Dec 2019 05:39:42 No.112172342 Report

Quoted By: >>112172380 >>112172612

>>112172026
Honestly I enjoy seeing Sheev and McDiarmid is getting old so I'm not opposed to the idea of seeing him again in some form. But making him the mastermind of the events of the sequels and flat out not explaining his return was a grave mistake.
If they wanted to bridge all trilogies in the final film I would have liked it if the final antagonist was the dark side itself and they went a bit more cosmic with it. Basically something like this

>The canon novels and rebels revealed that Palpatine's endgame goal wasnt mere immortality, but literal omnipotence and to reshape the universe itself.
>A reshaped universe would mean the end of the endless balance/imbalance cycle and an eternal dark side victory. However, since it needs a foothold in the material realm to act and Kylo is too young and not nearly powerful or evil enough to fulfill the role, the dark side deems it necesary for Sheev's machinations to continue
>The force lures Kylo to Exogol, and through a ritual Kylo sacrifices a human body so that it takes over, appearing as Palpatine since he was the most powerful dark side user of his time. In exchange for this, Kylo gets the fleet and maintains his role as Supreme Leader, basically he handles the physical realm while "Sidious" continues his experimentation with the ethereal

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Anonymous Thu 26 Dec 2019 05:42:26 No.112172380 Report

Quoted By: >>112172469 >>112172493

>>112172342

I mean yeah, the movie was a mess but Sheev was STILL entertaining, but can you really make a Star Wars movie with Ian as Sheev and NOT have him totally steal the show? I feel like it's the most impossible task.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 26 Dec 2019 05:44:58 No.112172424 Report

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>>112167644
Star Trek 09 was great. Into Darkness was shit. Beyond was great but not done by JJ.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 26 Dec 2019 05:46:01 No.112172440 Report

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>>112154946

oh yeah she's supposed to end up at a Sith temple deep in the levels under the Jedi temple and Sheev was gonna be there and she'd only survive by closing some blast doors and running the fuck away right?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 26 Dec 2019 05:49:03 No.112172466 Report

Quoted By: >>112172550 >>112172621 >>112173173

>Rose stays behind because "lol blueprints"
Holy shit I feel legitimately bad for her actress, that's just straight getting thrown under the bus

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 26 Dec 2019 05:49:13 No.112172469 Report

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>>112172380
Revenge of the Sith is a thoroughly mediocre film on its own merits, but McDiarmid's batshit insane performance comes close to carrying it.

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Anonymous Thu 26 Dec 2019 05:49:45 No.112172476 Report

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>>112171593
>Force Awakens was decent
I really don't see what everyone else does in that movie. The fact it's the beginning of the story by default means there's more potential after it than there was after TLJ, but that doesn't mean it was a good movie. It was a shitshow. It's easily my least favorite of the three.

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Anonymous Thu 26 Dec 2019 05:51:38 No.112172493 Report

Quoted By: >>112172549

>>112172380
I love Sheev but making Snoke his puppet is just too much, it basically ruins even more what Rian Johnson had already ruined, it makes the event of the sequel trilogy feels less significant. And you cant just brush off the fact that he fucking died. So if Palpatine were to return in some form It should have been as a manifestation, like The Son from the Clone Wars. Both George and Ian have said that Palpatine is essentially the devil in the star wars saga. He's pure evil to an almost comical degree, while most other characters have some degree of emotional or moral complexity, Palpatine is more archetype than man. So they should have gone all the way and make him all archetype by making him a manifestation of the dark side itself, make him THE Devil instead of the guy that represents the devil. In my opinion is the one way to make him work as the villain of all trilogies even after his death.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 26 Dec 2019 05:56:30 No.112172549 Report

Quoted By: >>112172842

>>112172493

I could see Palpatine being SO DARK SIDE that his spirit takes the place of the Dead Son or something yeah. (though Palpatine is actually a lot more purely evil than the Son who is at least capable of love for others and does seem to truly think destroying both the Jedi and Sith would of been best for the galaxy which is kinda amazing, Palpatine is so Satanic he's literally more evil than the physical embodiment of the fucking Dark Side)

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 26 Dec 2019 05:56:33 No.112172550 Report

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>>112172466
I want to fuck Kelly Tran in her big fat yellow ass.

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Anonymous Thu 26 Dec 2019 06:01:01 No.112172612 Report

Quoted By: >>112172842

>>112172342
>final antagonist was the dark side itself
I don't care for this idea. I think giving the Dark Side a literal personification misses the point of what makes Star Wars interesting. I didn't care for the Son or the Mortis arc in general for the same reason.

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Anonymous Thu 26 Dec 2019 06:01:46 No.112172621 Report

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>>112172466
The worst part is that the movie actually has Finn asking her if she wants to come for the adventure. But JJ doesn't know what to do with her and wants to downplay her because people complained about the character so she turns it down.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 26 Dec 2019 06:16:21 No.112172800 Report

Quoted By: >>112172984

>>112172331
Both Luke and Leia claim to have known it all along too, which is hilarious. Full hermit mode Luke would have chased her off the entire fucking planet if he knew a Palpatine was knocking on his door

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 26 Dec 2019 06:20:03 No.112172842 Report

Quoted By: >>112172878

>>112172612
What would you say is what makes Star Wars interesting, anon? The Mortis arc was George's idea so even though you might find it boring or uninteresting we can at least agree that it doesn't contradict the themes/essence of star wars or the workings of the force.The cosmology of star wars is quite human and antropomorphic. There's clearly defined good and evil, no greys, life is at its center. It makes sense for the aspects of the force to have personifications because it's one of the ways the human like beings of the galaxy can understand it. I still see the ones from Mortis as a way to perceive the force rather than being all of the force. There must also be an unknowable side to it.

>>112172549
Yes, Palpatine feels much older and less human than the Son, who was kind of a whiny, unstable edgelord. Plus Palpatine returning as a conduit for the dark side would tie into the idea that dark side users are obsessed with the physical plane and try to perpetuate their existence and control over it. The Jedi let go, they are at their peak when they become dissembodied cosmic spirits, while the sith measure their power through their control of the material universe.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 26 Dec 2019 06:23:22 No.112172878 Report

Quoted By: >>112173788

>>112172842
The Dark Side is interesting because it's just moral choice. It's base emotions and the worst impulses. A literal personification of it doesn't interest me because it's the person-to-person struggle with the Dark Side that's interesting. The cosmology/mysticism of the Force means very little to me beyond the basic stuff that Yoda and Obi-Wan outline in the OT.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 26 Dec 2019 06:32:11 No.112172984 Report

Quoted By: >>112173067

>>112172800
Apparently Luke actually went looking for the wayfinder to find Sheev, then gave up and just kind of forgot about it. So TROS retroactively makes Luke even more of a dumbass failure.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 26 Dec 2019 06:40:25 No.112173067 Report

Quoted By: >>112173670

>>112172984
The people in charge seem to really, really hate Luke.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 26 Dec 2019 06:51:03 No.112173173 Report

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>>112172466
I hated Rose, but Tran didn't deserve to get fucked over like that. I guess I shouldn't be surprised that instead of making Rose a more enjoyable character, they just pushed her aside.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 26 Dec 2019 06:56:20 No.112173223 Report

Quoted By: >>112173346

>>112172331
It's just like everything else about Rey. She just has shit handed to her and doesn't really have to struggle for it. Even the cliche "I'm the (grand)daughter of the evil villain!" tragic backstory just gets handed to her. She doesn't have to suffer for it and it really doesn't have any meaningful effect on her.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 26 Dec 2019 07:09:59 No.112173346 Report

Quoted By: >>112173392

>>112173223
>Even the cliche "I'm the (grand)daughter of the evil villain!" tragic backstory just gets handed to her. She doesn't have to suffer for it and it really doesn't have any meaningful effect on her.
At this point she wouldn't anyway. She was already resigned to the idea that she came from nobodies, which she saw with the Force, which now apparently lied to her? Still wouldn't fucking matter. Abrams basically used to to attempt to create the tension that the Dark Side and specifically fucking Force Lightning are now somehow hereditary and that she might fall, even though Star Wars has made it abundantly clear FROM THE VERY FUCKING BEGINNING HOLY SHIT that either side has always been a choice and falling or not has nothing to do with your lineage. Like you know, fucking Luke Goddamned Skywalker

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 26 Dec 2019 07:14:16 No.112173392 Report

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>>112173346
You would think he would have brought that up when he appeared and point out but no. Just more "don't worry Rey you're special you can do it."

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 26 Dec 2019 07:42:12 No.112173670 Report

Quoted By: >>112173705

>>112173067
Who exactly dislikes Luke as Lucasfilm? Is there personal beef between Kathleen Kennedy and Mark Hamill or something?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 26 Dec 2019 07:45:30 No.112173705 Report

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>>112173670
I think he just means that the people in charge of the ST seem to be making a bigger and bigger fool out of Luke. I don't think JJ even intended to do that but he and Terrio are so bad at writing that they completely overlooked how the whole Ochi subplot makes Luke and Lando look either lazy, stupid or both.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 26 Dec 2019 07:54:39 No.112173788 Report

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>>112172878
Yeah, it got too stupid and heavy handed with it and tied it up with a lot of stupid shit, but the pre-disney EU put forth a pretty interesting idea that both Light and Dark Force was just the baggage we were feeding into the shit. The Force was always just the force. Anything else found in there was coming from your own reflection. The person who put forth this theory was a Sith who died at peace with herself and her choices and actually became a Jedi-style force ghost. Sadly all of this happened during the Vong shit and was quickly handwaived away.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 26 Dec 2019 08:33:14 No.112174094 Report

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>>112170892
The Final Order officers also included negroes.
And the female stormtoopers that got shot and killed also included women, so at least in that regard, the evil guys are now also inclusive.

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