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Anonymous Fri 13 Dec 04:37:04 2019 No.111922786 View Reply Original Report

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*creates single-handedly the most influential cartoon of the century, one that in one way or another shaped or influenced 85% of cartoons today*
Is John K /ourguy/ ?

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Anonymous Fri 13 Dec 2019 04:41:20 No.111922855 Report

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>>111922786
>single-handedly
Really, John?

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Anonymous Fri 13 Dec 2019 04:46:17 No.111922934 Report

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>>111922786
I thought he admitted that Ren and Stimpy was mainly a collaboration between himself, Bob Camp, Lynne Naylor and Jim Smith

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Anonymous Fri 13 Dec 2019 04:47:40 No.111922959 Report

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>>111922786
Yes, but roasties and cal-arts tumblrites will disagree and seethe

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Anonymous Fri 13 Dec 2019 04:48:29 No.111922972 Report

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>>111922786
>*creates single-handedly the most influential cartoon of the century, one that in one way or another shaped or influenced 85% of cartoons today*
>one that in one way or another shaped or influenced 85% of cartoons today*

How?

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Anonymous Fri 13 Dec 2019 04:49:56 No.111922996 Report

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Really is a situation of having to separate art and artist. As a creative, John K is a genius. As someone actually able to produce anything, he falls flat pretty much all the time without a production crew to force him along. As a human, he's hot garbage.

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Anonymous Fri 13 Dec 2019 04:50:03 No.111922998 Report

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>>111922786
>Is John K /ourguy/ ?
Maybe in a different way he is.

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Anonymous Fri 13 Dec 2019 04:50:42 No.111923007 Report

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>>111922786
>*creates single-handedly the most influential cartoon of the century, one that in one way or another shaped or influenced 85% of cartoons today*

John K invented Dragon Ball?

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Anonymous Fri 13 Dec 2019 04:51:20 No.111923017 Report

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>>111922996
> As a creative, John K is a genius.

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Anonymous Fri 13 Dec 2019 04:58:06 No.111923139 Report

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>>111923017
The repercussions of his work are still affecting the industry today. Without Ren and Stimpy, adult-oriented humor and sensibilities in animation either takes even longer to get off the ground or stagnates entirely, and almost definitely does not develop any traction before the dotcom boom. Without it and the shows that were greenlit because of its success, internet animation is not as popular or experimental, and an entire generation of artists either don't develop exciting new ideas out of fear of not being able to break into the mainstream or simply never get into creating.

I think it's a 100% certainty that without John K and Ren and Stimpy, there's no /co/

But yeah, he is a piece of shit and has ridden that one success into the ground.

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Anonymous Fri 13 Dec 2019 04:59:14 No.111923152 Report

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>>111922934
Yes but they were HIS characters, basically without this guy, nothing would have been made. He originally went to the reunions with the Nick execs and convinced producer Vanessa Coffey enough to get it on the air.
>>111922972
AT, SU, Spongebob, Rick and Morty, etc. And I'm only half-answering you because there are literally thousands more
>>111922996
The "crew" most of the time just restrained his creative genius. See "Stimpys Invention". A funny, correctly paced, animated and psychodramatic cartoon.

Also, see this picture. Which one would you guess people still watch to this day? I like Rugrats but its mostly because you have to understand the worldview of the 90's. R&S is still a classic for years to come

And that triggers the autismos here

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Anonymous Fri 13 Dec 2019 04:59:37 No.111923159 Report

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>>111922959
Based

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Anonymous Fri 13 Dec 2019 05:03:31 No.111923227 Report

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>>111923152
>>111923139
90s animation renaissance was inevitable and John was in the right place at the right time. Saying that Ren and Stimpy was responsible for Rick and Morty is like trying to say that Ren and Stimpy wouldn’t exist without Mickey Mouse. Like, who the hell cares?

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Anonymous Fri 13 Dec 2019 05:06:21 No.111923275 Report

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>>111923017
John K has literally done nothing other than ripoffs of early Disney shorts/Looney Tunes/Bakshi raunch. And because of his philosophy of animation not needing writers, he can't make anything more complex than an endless stream of slapstick gags and "haha what if Donald Duck was a mutant cannibal?" bullshit

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Anonymous Fri 13 Dec 2019 05:10:33 No.111923340 Report

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>>111923152
>Which one would you guess people still watch to this day?
rugrats

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Anonymous Fri 13 Dec 2019 05:12:34 No.111923374 Report

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>>111923227
Yeah, animation would blow up in the 90s regardless, but without Ren and Stimpy, success looks a lot more like Rugrats and Doug; mostly inoffensive content aimed strictly at children, with little winks and nudges for adults but nothing overt.

Ren and Stimpy showed that experimental animation full of gross out humor, innuendo, a weird eclectic soundtrack and impressionistic backgrounds could be commercially viable without having to have morals or try to teach anything. It did not cause animation to succeed, it allowed a specific niche of animation to be produced.

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Anonymous Fri 13 Dec 2019 05:18:17 No.111923453 Report

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>>111923139
I'm not going pretend Ren and Stimpy wasn't influential: we'd be looking at a different professional industry if R&S wasn't a thing. But all this stuff would still happen, just in a different form. After all, the biggest adult animation shows of the 90s took no inspiration from R&S, and the underground/indie animation scene would have still gotten airplay via Liquid Television and the like.

That said, I feel John K's biggest contribution to the industry is less Ren & Stimpy, and more the fact that he was the one who gave Fred Seibert the idea for "What A Cartoon!", which birthed most of CN's Cartoon Cartoons and truly put the storyboard/premise-driven approach back on the map.

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Anonymous Fri 13 Dec 2019 05:22:33 No.111923511 Report

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>>111922972
Well for one he helped develop Rough Draft Studios. And Fred Seibert credits John K for influencing the idea of the What-a-Cartoon/Oh Yeah! Cartoons short programs that he produced.

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Anonymous Fri 13 Dec 2019 05:23:42 No.111923528 Report

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>>111923152
Again how he influenced those cartoons? What exactly did he changed?

Explain the unique thing he made that most cartoons after him copied. The thing that no one ever did before him.

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Anonymous Fri 13 Dec 2019 05:24:45 No.111923546 Report

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>>111923511
read
>>111923528

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Anonymous Fri 13 Dec 2019 05:25:32 No.111923554 Report

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>>111923511
>he helped develop Rough Draft Studios
>John K got animation to be outsourced to Korea instead of Japan or being produced in the US
Thanks John.

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Anonymous Fri 13 Dec 2019 05:58:57 No.111923940 Report

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>>111923152
Dude, everyone knows the correct answer is Rugrats. It was a goddamn media juggernaut in the 90s and early 00s. For fuck's sake, Doug had a longer and larger presence in pop culture than R+S.

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Anonymous Fri 13 Dec 2019 08:44:36 No.111925442 Report

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>>111923528
Cry harder, you wish you were as talented

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Anonymous Fri 13 Dec 2019 08:45:50 No.111925446 Report

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>it’s a kind of be right but post it in such a retarded way that you look wrong episode

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Anonymous Fri 13 Dec 2019 09:03:41 No.111925566 Report

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>>111922786
>influential
It's literally Tom and Jerry

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Anonymous Fri 13 Dec 2019 09:45:23 No.111925803 Report

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>>111922786
>creates single-handedly the most influential cartoon of the century

For some reason I first read/interpreted "century" as "the '90s" and was going to say wouldn't that most likely be Simpsons or something.

But century's an even more ridiculous claim. I'd think Disney or Looney Tunes shorts or some shit would come before Ren and Stimpy.

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Anonymous Fri 13 Dec 2019 09:46:48 No.111925815 Report

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>>111922786
>single-handedly
Bob Camp
>Is John K /ourguy/ ?
Cans Without Labels

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Anonymous Fri 13 Dec 2019 09:50:44 No.111925841 Report

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>>111923453
This is the most intelligent post in this thread.

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Anonymous Fri 13 Dec 2019 13:03:14 No.111927085 Report

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>>111922786
/co/ has hated John K since it's inception. Some of the first threads here were shitting on John K.

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Anonymous Fri 13 Dec 2019 13:56:57 No.111927520 Report

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>>111923453
>After all, the biggest adult animation shows of the 90s took no inspiration from R&S

That's like sayin' no band took inspiration from The Velvet Underground because any of those bands sounds like them.

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Anonymous Fri 13 Dec 2019 14:00:45 No.111927556 Report

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>>111923139
>ithout Ren and Stimpy, adult-oriented humor and sensibilities in animation either takes even longer to get off the ground or stagnates entirely, and almost definitely does not develop any traction before the dotcom boom.
So without Ren and Stimpy, we wouldn't have Family Guy?

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Anonymous Fri 13 Dec 2019 14:02:51 No.111927570 Report

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>>111922786
>Century
So you think out of 100 years of animation the most influential was fucking Ren and Stimpy?

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Anonymous Fri 13 Dec 2019 14:22:52 No.111927709 Report

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>>111922786
He made The Simpsons?

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Anonymous Fri 13 Dec 2019 14:34:09 No.111927801 Report

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>>111923139
>>111923453
Again you faggots fail to point on how he's influential, the truth is that he's not influential, he changed nothing, no animation style, no writing style, nothing, he didn't bring anything that Tom and Jerry didn't do first decades before.

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Anonymous Fri 13 Dec 2019 16:36:16 No.111929055 Report

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>>111925815
This but unironically.

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