>>111525942>>111523888IIRC the lizard in the books looks enough like Toffee and there's descriptions like "wants to kill your mom" that it could be possible it was him, especially since it's fact that adult Septarians were ageless and there's no evidence for when the teenage Toffee flashback was actually set.
But it could also just be general stuff that happens to match, since the frogs' and kappas' descriptions match some traits of Buff Frog and Ludo and obviously they're not meant to be 300+ (Ludo by the ages of his parents + siblings, Buff Frog by how fast his kids grow), so what they're probably going for is that the monster species just generally seem to display certain traits and the major ones we've seen fit those same archetypes. Although yes that would be racist IRL but shh don't think of that Eclipsa is the humanitarian peacemaker
I can see Toffee "dating" a Butterfly just to get more intel on the family, though.
