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Anonymous Sat 28 Sep 15:26:12 2019 No.110354776 View Reply Original Report

Is "selling out" ever a valid criticism about an artist? Should you not ever license out your stuff for monetary gain?

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Anonymous Sat 28 Sep 2019 15:32:48 No.110354880 Report

Quoted By: >>110355391 >>110356800 >>110356912 >>110357340 >>110366244 >>110366296

Those are two extremes. With Watterson's case, his strip remained pristine of products and adaptations, which is quite rare and wonderful in his case. But it shouldn't be the case for everything.

The problem is when you start getting the current scene with "pop culture products" everywhere. Garfields and Bart Simpsons on every t-shirt and mug are a horrible case of overdoing something.

It's perfectly fine to get a poster, a bobblehead for your car, or even an ice cream. But when a product gets overplastered on everything to the point where people get sick of it, it's bad and detracts from any of the enjoyment you get from the original product.

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Anonymous Sat 28 Sep 2019 15:33:14 No.110354886 Report

Quoted By: >>110354934 >>110354963 >>110355201 >>110357936

Jim Davis makes Scott Adams look restrained.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rXrJdY60yQs

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Anonymous Sat 28 Sep 2019 15:34:33 No.110354912 Report

Quoted By: >>110354945 >>110354950

>>110354776
Where's that picture of Calvin peeing on something?

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Anonymous Sat 28 Sep 2019 15:35:43 No.110354934 Report

Quoted By: >>110358082

>>110354886
Agreed. You ever notice how Garfield basically just recycles the same 4 jokes over and over again, that none of them are very good?

That's by design. Garfield was designed from the bottom up to be marketable, not funny.

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Anonymous Sat 28 Sep 2019 15:36:17 No.110354943 Report

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I don't think it's a simple yes or no question. Licensing your stuff out for toys or a tv show is a little different from slapping your character's face on a burrito box. I think, at the very least, if the creator is going to license their creation out they should at least have final approval over whatever is getting made to ensure that the merch doesn't go completely off the rails.

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Anonymous Sat 28 Sep 2019 15:36:33 No.110354945 Report

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>>110354912

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Anonymous Sat 28 Sep 2019 15:36:55 No.110354950 Report

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>>110354912
https://triviahappy.com/articles/the-tasteless-history-of-the-peeing-calvin-decal

Short Version - Legally, that's not Calvin and technically those decals are all illegal.

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Anonymous Sat 28 Sep 2019 15:37:28 No.110354963 Report

Quoted By: >>110355676

>>110354886
Yeah, but Jim Davis never had integrity, he was always open about the fact that he made Garfield to be a safe and marketable brand to milk.

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Anonymous Sat 28 Sep 2019 15:40:12 No.110355000 Report

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>>110354776
Depends on your ethics. Personally I don't think there's anything wrong with selling out your characters to make money.
I wouldn't do this if my strip is anti-capitalist or about selling out. It just depends.

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Anonymous Sat 28 Sep 2019 15:42:54 No.110355036 Report

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>>110354776
only if they publicly advocate they are not a sell out in some form or launch tirades about "Sell outs". a creator should be allowed to monetize their IP if they choose but if they rail on someone for doing it or saying they wont do it and do it then yes.

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Anonymous Sat 28 Sep 2019 15:42:55 No.110355038 Report

Quoted By: >>110357394

>>110354776
It's kinda in theme for Dilbert though.

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Anonymous Sat 28 Sep 2019 15:44:53 No.110355066 Report

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>>110354776
It depends on the situation I feel
You have to realize not every artist is going to be Bill Watterson with hundreds of millions of dollars. Most are just scrapping by if that, and something that would be nothing change to Watterson in comparison to integrity could be a lifesaver to someone else

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Anonymous Sat 28 Sep 2019 15:45:24 No.110355074 Report

Quoted By: >>110355168 >>110355208 >>110355240 >>110355387 >>110355676

>>110354776
Honestly Peanuts has been licensed for a ton of stuff but I don't think it's effected my perception of Peanuts. Maybe the better your comic is the more you can get away with? I guess that's why it's so hard to nail down a firm line of when too much is too much. It's all subjective.

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Anonymous Sat 28 Sep 2019 15:45:55 No.110355087 Report

Quoted By: >>110355208 >>110355387

On the other hand, Peanuts sold out as hard as it's possible to and it's still revered as the pinnacle of the form (give or take Krazy Kat).

But fuck Scott Adams either way.

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Anonymous Sat 28 Sep 2019 15:49:15 No.110355127 Report

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>>110354776
Yes, but it depends to some degree of the context. Doing merch in itself for example doesn't necessarily mean you sold out . But if you license your art to whatever brings you checks and that's how you get swimming trunks, socks, chewing gum and paper napkins with your shit printed on it, it's a fairly safe bet to say you've sold out.

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Anonymous Sat 28 Sep 2019 15:49:34 No.110355134 Report

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>>110354776
It depends on the creator and the creation.

I dont see anything wrong with Dilberts branding and Bill understands what he wants for Calvin, and it works the way he intended it.

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Anonymous Sat 28 Sep 2019 15:50:32 No.110355148 Report

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>>110354776
the dilberrito was a PASSION PROJECT

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Anonymous Sat 28 Sep 2019 15:50:59 No.110355155 Report

Quoted By: >>110355254 >>110355299

If I'm ever lucky enough to be in a position where my characters are beloved by millions and a certain subset of fans want merchandise, I won't deprive them if there is a demand. Some people genuinely love Garfield and find him cute/funny, and that's why they want plushies of him and a phone shaped like him. My Dad loves Dilbert and he enjoys his yearly Dilbert calendar, he even has a Dilbert plushy in his car. What Watterson doesn't understand is that even though the mediator of merchandise between creator and fan is evil and corrupt, the fans aren't evil and corrupt, and they just want to enjoy their favorite characters outside of drawn strips in newspapers. I'm not saying he's selfish for wanting to keep his creations pure, but he is misguided in his self-absorbed worry of becoming the next Jim Davis. All I'm saying is, if I were a creator and my fans were just like my Dad, I wouldn't deprive them of licensed products just because I don't want to be another cog in the machine that "sophisticated" people would laugh and mock at. I would just think of how many people I'm making happy by allowing my creations to become more than cartoons, and whatever original product they're derived from would still be the meaningful creation it was to me when I first drew it, even if it gets marketed to hell and becomes a symbol of capitalism, because it's more meaningful than that to me and other fans who genuinely enjoy the work. Watterson should be bigger than that, but he let his idealism get the better of him and he thought too much of what "real" people would think of him, when the real fans just wanted a Hobbes plushy for fuck's sake.

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Anonymous Sat 28 Sep 2019 15:51:35 No.110355168 Report

Quoted By: >>110355199

>>110355074
This is a good point. I think when your work changes to be more 'marketable' and starts becoming something it never was is a good marker. Compare early Real Ghostbusters to Slimer and the Real Ghostbusters when the brand marketing was at it's highest.

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Anonymous Sat 28 Sep 2019 15:53:49 No.110355199 Report

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>>110355168
>at it's highest.

http://its-not-its.info/

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Anonymous Sat 28 Sep 2019 15:53:50 No.110355201 Report

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>>110354776
It's not that cut and dry. Making money off your creation is fine, but if the monetization affects the quality of your creation or its perception negatively, then yeah it's a valid criticism.
Wasn't the Dilberito sort of an intentionally shitty product though?

>>110354886
That's because Adams hasn't really sold out at all. Which honestly I can't see Dilbert having this sort of appeal anyway so he probably didn't have the opportunity.

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Anonymous Sat 28 Sep 2019 15:54:01 No.110355208 Report

Quoted By: >>110355330

>>110355087
>>110355074
In the same degree I don't think it would change either the perception of the comic or the comic itself is Watterson decided to make Hobbes plushies and the like
He was probably most worried about it becoming a Garfield, solely a brand before a comic

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Anonymous Sat 28 Sep 2019 15:56:24 No.110355240 Report

Quoted By: >>110355387 >>110355448

>>110355074
On the other hand outside of the US Snoopy merch is basically the only familiarity people have with Peanuts, which feels... I can't find a word, "uncool", I guess.

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Anonymous Sat 28 Sep 2019 15:57:23 No.110355254 Report

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>>110355155
But at that point it’s baseless iconography and forced memetics, not the product you love and hold dear. People in this thread already pointed out Garfield is designed to make you recognize and want Garfield items. The consumer is always the consumer and consuming, taking something beloved and making bugman paraphernalia to consume doesn’t fulfil some baser need or long-term want, it’s a cost X item that only serves to sap resources. You can own licensed products if you want, but you can’t deny that they serve as a means of purchasing iconography and symbol of your like, not a product that has net yield or interactivity such as the comic itself.

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Anonymous Sat 28 Sep 2019 15:59:17 No.110355296 Report

Quoted By: >>110357687

>>110354776
Scott Adams is based and redpilled.

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Anonymous Sat 28 Sep 2019 15:59:23 No.110355299 Report

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>>110355155
>they just want to enjoy their favorite characters outside of drawn strips in newspapers
I'd argue that in itself is a form of corruption, though a fairly harmless one.

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Anonymous Sat 28 Sep 2019 16:01:22 No.110355330 Report

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>>110355208
>In the same degree I don't think it would change either the perception of the comic or the comic itself is Watterson decided to make Hobbes plushies and the like
It could. Hobbes the character being himself a plush, selling Hobbes plushies is inviting self-insertion.

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Anonymous Sat 28 Sep 2019 16:04:33 No.110355387 Report

Quoted By: >>110355444

>>110355087
>>110355074
Peanuts did have standards. For one, there are a few no-go areas of licensing Schulz laid out, like gambling - which sounds like a given, but remember there are Simpsons-themed slot machines. I also recall a story about Schulz vetoing a Snoopy toilet brush.
The licensing division of Peanuts also enforces a few rigid creative decisions; the characters are forbidden from being depicted phoning on anything but a rotary dial. So while the sheer volume of Peanuts licensing is undeniable, there were these restraints that prevented the perception of Peanuts the strip being impeded.
>>110355240
Hey, I'm non-US and I definitely enjoy Peanuts outside of merch. Though you're quite right, my irl friends and family think I'm into 'Snoopy' and have no concept of 'Peanuts'.

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Anonymous Sat 28 Sep 2019 16:04:44 No.110355391 Report

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>>110354880
fpbp

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Anonymous Sat 28 Sep 2019 16:08:07 No.110355444 Report

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>>110355387
In some countries, they think Snoopy is the main character, so the strip got titled after him instead.

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Anonymous Sat 28 Sep 2019 16:08:15 No.110355448 Report

Quoted By: >>110355504

>>110355240
And there are plenty of people only familiar with Calvin because of >>110354945.

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Anonymous Sat 28 Sep 2019 16:11:32 No.110355504 Report

Quoted By: >>110355606

>>110355448
I don't know about where you live but it's hardly a common sticker where I live. I must have seen it what, maybe a dozen times max in my 34 years of life.

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Anonymous Sat 28 Sep 2019 16:14:06 No.110355553 Report

Quoted By: >>110355616 >>110355702

>>110354776
I think selling out is kind of important for a property. It ensures that your characters and property have continued exposure far after you're gone. I respect Bill's stance but people are still talking about things like Garfield and Peanuts today. Where as the demo of people who talk about Calvin and Hobbes is shrinking by the year. Eventually the comic about a kid's imagination will never have no fans who are kids. In sticking to his pure ethics, all of his great work will be forgotten by time, while Garfield will continue for generations.

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Anonymous Sat 28 Sep 2019 16:17:58 No.110355606 Report

Quoted By: >>110355690

>>110355504
It's less about the prevalence of the sticker, and more about the fact that after the strip ended its presence has faded. Other than that sticker the only thing outside of the internet that I've seen referencing Calvin and Hobbes is a back issue of that one Action Labs comic.

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Anonymous Sat 28 Sep 2019 16:18:42 No.110355616 Report

Quoted By: >>110355743

>>110355553
I don't think it will entirely disappear considering it's always mentioned when people talk about the era and always prominent in bookstores. It's fans will keep it's legacy alive and pass it on.

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Anonymous Sat 28 Sep 2019 16:22:15 No.110355676 Report

Quoted By: >>110356414 >>110356790

>>110354963
>>110355074
>>110354776
Watterson: Had a vision, and that vision didn't have room for adaptations or merchandise. Superhuman integrity, I couldn't have done it.
Jim Davis: From the beginning wanted a successful franchise with his works. Created a wholesome "safe-cynical" character that made kids feel like they were being edgy.
Scott Adams: From the beginning wanted a successful franchise with his works. Created an actual cynical character that made worker drones feel like they were being edgy.
Charles Schulz: Had a vision, and that vision didn't have room for adaptations or merchandise, but in 10 years he was doing TV specials and in 30 years Snoopy was walking around in a Joe Cool T-shirt and his witty comic strip about kids making sense of an adult world became mascots for MetLife.

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Anonymous Sat 28 Sep 2019 16:22:49 No.110355690 Report

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>>110355606
The prevalence of the sticker also faded with the relevance of the strip. I don't think I've seen it in 10 years irl.

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Anonymous Sat 28 Sep 2019 16:23:21 No.110355695 Report

Quoted By: >>110355738 >>110356616

>random Scott Adams bashing
Someone mad about Trump?

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Anonymous Sat 28 Sep 2019 16:23:51 No.110355702 Report

Quoted By: >>110355743

>>110355553
Do kids read Garflied? I don't that impression.

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Anonymous Sat 28 Sep 2019 16:25:52 No.110355738 Report

Quoted By: >>110355784 >>110357680

>>110355695
Scott Adams was crazy before Trump was president, and will be crazy even after Trump hangs himself in his jail cell.

i think Scott Adams thinks he's above the system he's sold out to. that'd be at least one mistake Jim Davis never made.

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Anonymous Sat 28 Sep 2019 16:26:02 No.110355743 Report

Quoted By: >>110356292 >>110356775

>>110355616
Nothing entirely disappears. But things can be thrown into irrelevancy which I feel is happening. We like it but that was because most of us grew up during a time where books were a common thing to read in our off time, Scholastic book fairs and all that. Are kids reading it now?

>>110355702
No but kids know the cast, their personalities, and dynamics. Basically everything but reading the text itself due to all the adaptations, and I think that's fine.

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Anonymous Sat 28 Sep 2019 16:28:12 No.110355784 Report

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>>110355738
>Trump will be led out of the White House in chains ANY DAY NOW

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Anonymous Sat 28 Sep 2019 16:31:20 No.110355836 Report

Quoted By: >>110356385 >>110363918

>>110354776
I think Bob Ross said it best on the Joy of Painting. Something along the effect that there's nothing wrong with making money off of something you enjoy doing.

But that's not the same as licensing.

I think Watterson is... I admire his integrity on the fact, but I think he could've gone a better way in doing it.

There's a lot of wriggle room between Proud (starving) Artist and Sell-Out Whore.

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Anonymous Sat 28 Sep 2019 16:57:55 No.110356292 Report

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>>110355743
There's a Garflied cartoon currently that kids watch?

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Anonymous Sat 28 Sep 2019 17:03:27 No.110356385 Report

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>>110355836
Agreed. In the end it all comes down to exposure of IP. It's like a Woman's dress. You want to be able to strike a balance, show off enough too get attention but not too much that you look like an attention whore. Watterson went the route of full conservative gown. Adams and Jim Davis went the opposite way with full pussy showing.

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Anonymous Sat 28 Sep 2019 17:05:23 No.110356414 Report

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>>110355676
This is a good point. It is all well and good to argue about integrity, but some products don't have all that much from the start. That isn't a bad thing, not every piece of work is meant to be some pure special thing. The problem is when brands get warped to unrecognisable levels, which doesn't even require selling out. Creators are perfectly capable of doing that on their own.

Plus these days anyone can fuck with your brand and distribute it online. Trying to keep hold of some kind of purity is an impossible task. You are almost better to mechanise but set in place very clear rules and never hand over the power over that. Until your dead, then fuck it.

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Anonymous Sat 28 Sep 2019 17:16:07 No.110356607 Report

Quoted By: >>110356763

I want another season of the Dilbert cartoon, if for no other reason than the mental image of Scott Adams and Kathy Griffin trying to work together

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Anonymous Sat 28 Sep 2019 17:16:54 No.110356616 Report

Quoted By: >>110356717 >>110356894 >>110362439 >>110366273

>>110355695
Scott Adams is the type of asshole that thought it was a good idea to shill his new app right after a mass shooting by saying victims of said attack ought to sign up to it and profit on the tragedy. And then he tried to pretend like there was absolutely nothing wrong about doing that.

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Anonymous Sat 28 Sep 2019 17:19:42 No.110356665 Report

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>>110354950
>In 1996, a woman all the way up in St. Paul, Minnesota was jailed for wearing an offending Calvin t-shirt in court, and South Carolina cops repeatedly ticketed drivers who had the obscene decal.
I get it's tasteless and dumb, but this is some clownpunk right here.

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Anonymous Sat 28 Sep 2019 17:22:25 No.110356717 Report

Quoted By: >>110356894

>>110356616
Seriously? What a douche. Selling your product is fine but don't try to capitalize on a fucking tragedy.

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Anonymous Sat 28 Sep 2019 17:24:26 No.110356763 Report

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>>110356607
Only if Larry Charles is involved.

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Anonymous Sat 28 Sep 2019 17:24:34 No.110356765 Report

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>>110354776
The Dilberito wasn't a licensed product though. It was made by a food company owned by Adams.

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Anonymous Sat 28 Sep 2019 17:24:58 No.110356775 Report

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>>110355743
They're still being printed with new editions so I'd say someone is.

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Anonymous Sat 28 Sep 2019 17:25:21 No.110356783 Report

Quoted By: >>110356879

Objective number one of any commercial endeavor: get paid

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Anonymous Sat 28 Sep 2019 17:25:37 No.110356790 Report

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>>110355676
The Schultz family is covered by MetLife for all eternity in exchange for letting them use Snoopy as their mascot.

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Anonymous Sat 28 Sep 2019 17:26:28 No.110356800 Report

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>>110354880
This post is too reasonable for this site

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Anonymous Sat 28 Sep 2019 17:28:15 No.110356847 Report

Quoted By: >>110357841

The funny thing is that Bill Watterson supposedly has a higher net worth than Scott. Now how much of that is technically tangible funds who knows. I do know Scott lives in a big house in a rich part of Cali so he has to be somewhat loaded.

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Anonymous Sat 28 Sep 2019 17:30:04 No.110356879 Report

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>>110356783
>Objective number one of any commercial endeavor: get paid

Its not like Bill Watterson is exactly broke, or anything.

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Anonymous Sat 28 Sep 2019 17:31:10 No.110356894 Report

Quoted By: >>110357228 >>110357308 >>110359397

>>110356717
>>110356616
If you also don't hate every Media outlet for doing the same thing then hating Scott is pretty pointless and contradictory.

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Anonymous Sat 28 Sep 2019 17:32:21 No.110356912 Report

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>>110354880
This. Over-comercialisation is a horrible thing and either leads to the original vision being diluted or cheapened through the quest for raw profit.

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Anonymous Sat 28 Sep 2019 17:42:43 No.110357107 Report

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>>110354776
Scott Adams is a vegetarian. The Dilberito is a vegetarian alternative. The product reinforces his values; it's not inconsistent with them.

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Anonymous Sat 28 Sep 2019 17:48:46 No.110357228 Report

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>>110356894
Actually I do hate news outlets that go past just reporting the news and have an agenda. In Scott's case it's the same as saying "You wouldn't be suffering right now if you were smart enough to buy my product" which is pretty damn low.

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Anonymous Sat 28 Sep 2019 17:48:47 No.110357230 Report

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZ-Dpk3Goek

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Anonymous Sat 28 Sep 2019 17:49:48 No.110357245 Report

Quoted By: >>110357407

The one on the left is on a high horse

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Anonymous Sat 28 Sep 2019 17:52:26 No.110357297 Report

Quoted By: >>110357317

You don't really lose much by "selling out".

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Anonymous Sat 28 Sep 2019 17:52:58 No.110357308 Report

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>>110356894
Get off 4chan Scott.

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Anonymous Sat 28 Sep 2019 17:53:33 No.110357317 Report

Quoted By: >>110357356

>>110357297
Only people with no integrity and dignity believe this.

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Anonymous Sat 28 Sep 2019 17:54:42 No.110357340 Report

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>>110354880
Yep. Thinking in extremes is exactly the kind of shit that got the world into this cultural mess.

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Anonymous Sat 28 Sep 2019 17:55:26 No.110357356 Report

Quoted By: >>110357428

>>110357317
It's only ever bad if you lose control of your property or was changed for the worse which would be doubly fatal if you didn't sell in the first place.

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Anonymous Sat 28 Sep 2019 17:57:50 No.110357394 Report

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>>110355038
>It's kinda in theme for Dilbert though.

I was gunna say this, Dilbert is literally about corporate nonsense. On a certain level it becomes a sort of meta-meta joke. The corporate wage-slave is exploited both within and outside his own creation.

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Anonymous Sat 28 Sep 2019 17:58:28 No.110357407 Report

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>>110357245
Scott Adams lives on a fucking high horse, it just happens to be a horse made of veggie burritos.

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Anonymous Sat 28 Sep 2019 17:59:33 No.110357428 Report

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>>110357356
You might want to actually look up how merchandising works.

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Anonymous Sat 28 Sep 2019 18:06:12 No.110357549 Report

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>>110354776
It's only ever selling out if the end product is soured

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Anonymous Sat 28 Sep 2019 18:12:10 No.110357680 Report

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>>110355738
I don't follow him since he switched to podcasts because I can't stomach his smugness, but I used to read his blog. Can't be denied he called Trump being president, solidly a year in advance. So he does have some insights. His ideas about systems vs. goals are also good.

I hope he hasn't said anything of value in those podcasts because I can't tolerate him talking.

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Anonymous Sat 28 Sep 2019 18:12:27 No.110357687 Report

Quoted By: >>110357704

>>110355296
I don't know. He's reasonable a lot of the time, but there's still very noticeable moments where he falls prey to the same pearl-clutching statism a lot of people are guilty of (left and right). Plus it really feels like he doesn't understand the constitution at all. I had to stop watching him after he started talking about a China-Inspired Social Credit system for allowing people certain freedoms (all of white are supposed to be inherent as per the bill of rights) as well as making gun ownership race and gender based.

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Anonymous Sat 28 Sep 2019 18:13:11 No.110357702 Report

Quoted By: >>110357938 >>110358172 >>110365961

Here's a souring question
Do kids even know what Calvin and Hobbs is?
Not that anybody give two fucks about Dilbert though

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Anonymous Sat 28 Sep 2019 18:13:14 No.110357704 Report

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>>110357687
>(all of white
*which

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Anonymous Sat 28 Sep 2019 18:13:44 No.110357714 Report

Quoted By: >>110357726

>>110354776
So if I want a calvin and hobbes tshirt I can't ?

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Anonymous Sat 28 Sep 2019 18:14:52 No.110357726 Report

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>>110357714
make your own. screen printing is a thing

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Anonymous Sat 28 Sep 2019 18:15:53 No.110357739 Report

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>>110354776
Why are freddie mercury and maynard james keenan writing comics

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Anonymous Sat 28 Sep 2019 18:21:12 No.110357841 Report

Quoted By: >>110358113

>>110356847
>The funny thing is that Bill Watterson supposedly has a higher net worth than Scott.

See this brings up even more questions, what exactly is Watterson doing now? He hasn't done the comic strip in decades, but he's clearly doing something.

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Anonymous Sat 28 Sep 2019 18:25:41 No.110357936 Report

Quoted By: >>110358082

>>110354886

Davis learned super early on that passion projects get you nowhere and set out to make as cynical a product as possible since that would be marketable.

Sure enough, the market proved him right. That said, people forget that Garfield could actually be pretty funny at times and that Davis was pretty good at handing off side projects to people who knew what they were doing until the mid 90s when he stopped caring altogether.

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Anonymous Sat 28 Sep 2019 18:25:43 No.110357938 Report

Quoted By: >>110358172

>>110357702
>Here's a souring question
>Do kids even know what Calvin and Hobbs is?
>Not that anybody give two fucks about Dilbert though

That's what I've been wondering. The last big Calvin and Hobbes releases was that big collection of all the strips back in 2005 (and the paperback version in 2012). Then there was Exploring Calvin and Hobbes: An Exhibition Catalogue for the Ohio State University exhibit.

It hasn't exactly been in the public eye for a while other than in reprint form. And I'm not even sure many kids read the comics section anymore.

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Anonymous Sat 28 Sep 2019 18:29:44 No.110358021 Report

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I don't want to be a starving artist forever.

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Anonymous Sat 28 Sep 2019 18:32:22 No.110358082 Report

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>>110357936
>That said, people forget that Garfield could actually be pretty funny at times and that Davis was pretty good at handing off side projects to people who knew what they were doing until the mid 90s when he stopped caring altogether.

That's true, people like >>110354934 don't sound like they've read much of Garfield

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Anonymous Sat 28 Sep 2019 18:34:12 No.110358113 Report

Quoted By: >>110358236

>>110357841
Enjoying his retirement. He probably still writes comics as a hobby.

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Anonymous Sat 28 Sep 2019 18:36:26 No.110358161 Report

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>>110354776
>Dilbert is about soulless corporate world
>The Dilbert brand is being treated as a soulless corporate property
It is meta critique anon.

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Anonymous Sat 28 Sep 2019 18:36:52 No.110358172 Report

Quoted By: >>110358312

>>110357702
>>110357938
Probably some parents who read them as kids get their kids to read them, like you know, probably happened to you. Besides it feels like that's how half of entertainment works these days with movies that are PG and nostalgiagrabs at the same time.

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Anonymous Sat 28 Sep 2019 18:39:39 No.110358236 Report

Quoted By: >>110358516 >>110364729

>>110358113
Yeah but what was he doing right after C&H, it sounded like he does paintings but that's about all we know of.

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Anonymous Sat 28 Sep 2019 18:40:14 No.110358249 Report

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Why people talk like Waterson is a homeless person who made the worse mistake of his life? He is doing fine just not doing what people with no creative talent and fame would be doing in his place.

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Anonymous Sat 28 Sep 2019 18:43:02 No.110358312 Report

Quoted By: >>110358447 >>110358544

>>110358172
Maybe so, but I feel for better or worse marketing and merchandising does hell of a lot more.
Not every kid is going to know about Calvin and Hobbes due to their parents, not every parent is going to show it to them and some might not even care.

Kids know who the Peanuts gang are because of the movies and specials that air every year during the biggest holidays. Kids know who Garfield is, albeit mostly because of shitty cash grab movies and "ironic memes" on youtube.

As great as Calvin and Hobbes is, I'm honestly kinda worried about its future, it already seems like nobody besides the kids who already grew up with it and were inspired by even remembers what it is

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Anonymous Sat 28 Sep 2019 18:44:11 No.110358333 Report

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There should be no universal metric for this sort of thing, it all depends on the subject like others have said. Selling out means the betrayal of personal principles for monetary gain, but that only works if the person's principles were against commercialization in the first place. People bring up Davis, but honestly I'm sure most creators don't even think about getting lots of monetary gain and so they wouldn't be betraying their principles if they did let things be sold with their creations name. While Watterson definitely has integrity, its wrong to assume everyone should follow the same path.

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Anonymous Sat 28 Sep 2019 18:50:05 No.110358447 Report

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>>110358312
I mean, I get what you're saying, but why does that matter? Dude made a thing, said what he wanted to say, didnt allow his vision to he diluted. Its still being talked about over 20 years after it ended. I like really like the fact that its something that was shown to me by my grandma, and specifically isnt something that I found because of a cartoon or toy or stuffed animal. And I'm sure the way it was passed down to me, people of my generation will show it to their kids and grandkids, not to mention all the artists who've been inspired by it, and now the artists who those artists have inspired. I dont think it'll disappear any time soon, I'm pretty sure those softcover collections have stayed in print for tje past decade.

I guess I like the fact that it is kind of smaller. Id call that a feature, not a big.

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Anonymous Sat 28 Sep 2019 18:53:43 No.110358516 Report

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>>110358236
So he was doing paintings. I'm not sure where you see this big mistery.

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Anonymous Sat 28 Sep 2019 18:53:50 No.110358518 Report

Quoted By: >>110358635

>>110354776
I respect artists considerably less if they use their creations to sell unrelated shit.

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Anonymous Sat 28 Sep 2019 18:55:00 No.110358544 Report

Quoted By: >>110361452

>>110358312
What the fuck does it matter?

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Anonymous Sat 28 Sep 2019 18:59:50 No.110358635 Report

Quoted By: >>110358696

>>110358518
im sure sure they are losing sleep over YOUR respect

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Anonymous Sat 28 Sep 2019 19:03:17 No.110358696 Report

Quoted By: >>110358764

>>110358635
who cares what they think?

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Anonymous Sat 28 Sep 2019 19:06:34 No.110358764 Report

Quoted By: >>110361577

>>110358696
You, probably

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Anonymous Sat 28 Sep 2019 19:38:36 No.110359397 Report

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>>110356894
News outlets reporting about tragedies and giving them a human pov through interviews is fundamentally different from someone trying to capitalise monetarily on it. Any respectful news outlet doesn't pay for interviews.

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Anonymous Sat 28 Sep 2019 21:26:14 No.110361452 Report

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>>110358544
Muh artistic integrity.

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Anonymous Sat 28 Sep 2019 21:29:47 No.110361519 Report

Quoted By: >>110361614 >>110362328

>>110354776
What happens when Watterson passes on? Eventually his children, or his children's children, or whoever finally inherits the ownership of the comic series will sell the rights to whatever company at the time throws the highest bidding. What happens if Calvin and Hobbes enters public domain?

That said, I am somewhat curious about watching a botched attempt at a Calvin and Hobbes animation in my lifetime.

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Anonymous Sat 28 Sep 2019 21:33:21 No.110361577 Report

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>>110358764
not even a little bit

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Anonymous Sat 28 Sep 2019 21:35:20 No.110361614 Report

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>>110361519
he could put a clause in the will that C&H can never be licensed until it enters public domain.

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Anonymous Sat 28 Sep 2019 22:14:24 No.110362328 Report

Quoted By: >>110362387

>>110361519
Krazy Kat is public domain, right? Is there much licensing of that? I suspect that'll be the fate of C+H, real far into the future this comic strip from the 20th century will be a historical curiosity by then.

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Anonymous Sat 28 Sep 2019 22:17:38 No.110362387 Report

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>>110362328
Part of Krazy Kat is, since it started from 1913 and ended in 1944. That'd mean anything from 1913-1923 is PD as of this year, along with anything that didn't have a copyright notice or didn't get renewed (which I doubt).

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Anonymous Sat 28 Sep 2019 22:20:20 No.110362439 Report

Quoted By: >>110363942

>>110356616
The media take these people's stories for free and then make a profit by running adds on them. Meanwhile, Scott was going to pay people (aka LOSE MONEY) for their stories.

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Anonymous Sat 28 Sep 2019 23:33:14 No.110363918 Report

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>>110355836
Not to mention Watterson had the luxury of not needing merchandising money. He was shrewd and/or arrogant enough to completely freeze out that option practically from the strip's inception.

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Anonymous Sat 28 Sep 2019 23:34:24 No.110363942 Report

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>>110362439
The app was a money making venture, you do understand that?

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Anonymous Sat 28 Sep 2019 23:36:41 No.110363977 Report

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>>110354776
Only if monetization compromises your control or vision for your own creation, then you are actively sacrificing your creation for money and eventually you'll have none left for yourself, like if you had made a chair and then sold it off to someone else.

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Anonymous Sun 29 Sep 2019 00:12:41 No.110364729 Report

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>>110358236
He did a couple of guest strips for Pearls Before Swine as a giant meta joke a couple years back.

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Anonymous Sun 29 Sep 2019 00:13:46 No.110364760 Report

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>>110354776
To paraphrase Iggy Pop, "Who cares if your art is used for licensing? The official/real version will always be there."

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Anonymous Sun 29 Sep 2019 00:19:04 No.110364895 Report

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What came first ranch or cool ranch?

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Anonymous Sun 29 Sep 2019 00:23:32 No.110365005 Report

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All that happened is that Bill never got paid for all those calvin pissing decals on trucks. People are going to sell merch regardless of whether you authorize it or not

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Anonymous Sun 29 Sep 2019 01:12:19 No.110365961 Report

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>>110357702
IDK bro. I'm 20, I grew up reading every Calvin and Hobbes strip ever made. I'm pretty sure I'm the last generation to read the strip.

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Anonymous Sun 29 Sep 2019 01:25:29 No.110366244 Report

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>>110354880
right on the money. fpbp

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Anonymous Sun 29 Sep 2019 01:26:55 No.110366273 Report

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>>110356616
Fucking based.

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Anonymous Sun 29 Sep 2019 01:27:57 No.110366296 Report

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>>110354880
This post is so good im going to assume you didnt make it up and stole it from someone

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Anonymous Sun 29 Sep 2019 01:31:00 No.110366353 Report

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>>110354776
It will happen in your lifetime, and after your lifetime, Man shall see horrors beyond any comprehension you could have ever held.

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