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Anonymous Mon 26 Aug 01:31:56 2019 No.109589983 View Reply Original Report

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Why did JMS write this?

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Anonymous Mon 26 Aug 2019 01:44:32 No.109590195 Report

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>>109589983
has to be mental illness

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Anonymous Mon 26 Aug 2019 01:47:29 No.109590259 Report

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>>109589983
Because of Quesada being a faggot.

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Anonymous Mon 26 Aug 2019 01:47:39 No.109590261 Report

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>>109589983
He's a TV writer and long lost children are par for the course in series as long as spider-man. What fucked him was editorial not catching him in time to stop it before it came out and quesda being shitty and forcing him to write norman as the father rather than pete for some bullshit reason. I still say the original concept could've worked as a spider-girl story line where she finds long lost half siblings corrupted by norman or the jackle

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Anonymous Mon 26 Aug 2019 01:48:14 No.109590280 Report

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>>109589983
>Why did JMS write this?
To teach the world that girls love Norman

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Anonymous Mon 26 Aug 2019 01:51:46 No.109590336 Report

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>>109590261
>quesda being shitty and forcing him to write norman as the father rather than pete for some bullshit reason.
The reason he gave was having teenage children would make Peter seem "too old", but the real reason is probably that if the media picked up the story of Spider-Man being the deadbeat father of illegitimate twins, it would be a nasty scandal for Marvel that could have seriously hurt merchandise sales.

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Anonymous Mon 26 Aug 2019 01:55:29 No.109590408 Report

Quoted By: >>109590449 >>109590582 >>109592199 >>109599409

After JMS recently defended the 9/11 issue on twitter I'm really not sure when it's correct to blame him or Quesada. I know /co/ would like to believe all the good stuff is exclusively JMS' fault and all the bad stuff is exclusively Quesada's fault but it's obviously not that simple.

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Anonymous Mon 26 Aug 2019 01:56:28 No.109590421 Report

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>>109590336
Wolverine has like a shitload of kids though.

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Anonymous Mon 26 Aug 2019 01:57:31 No.109590433 Report

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>>109590421
What does that have to do with Spider-Man?

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Anonymous Mon 26 Aug 2019 01:58:56 No.109590449 Report

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>>109590336
But the weirdest thing is nothing would've changed about the arc if pete was the father it would still be awful. Fuck the kids aren't supposed to be teens norman aged them up so theirs no reason that pete still couldn't have been their real father.

Though the whole thing should be buried and explained away as norman fucking with pete, even going as far as hiring an actress for MJ to over hear accusing norman

>>109590408
Are you really comparing a children's comic trying to explain 9/11 to kids right after the event to this?

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Anonymous Mon 26 Aug 2019 01:59:54 No.109590466 Report

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>>109590433
It wouldn't have hurt Spidey as far as merchandising. The X-Men were still fairly popular back then and their merchandise was selling pretty well.

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Anonymous Mon 26 Aug 2019 02:00:20 No.109590481 Report

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>>109590421
Wolverine isn't marketed to young children the same way Spider-Man is, and is over a century old, with canon stories about his memories being erased and re-written. Wolverine having children he doesn't know about is very different from it happening with the "power and responsibility" hero.

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Anonymous Mon 26 Aug 2019 02:00:42 No.109590488 Report

Quoted By: >>109590539

>>109590449
>Are you really comparing a children's comic trying to explain 9/11 to kids right after the event to this?
I'm saying the 9/11 issue was a piece of shit, so if JMS was solely responsible for one piece of shit, it's reasonable to conclude he was responsible for more than one piece of shit.

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Anonymous Mon 26 Aug 2019 02:03:00 No.109590521 Report

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>>109590449
>Though the whole thing should be buried and explained away as norman fucking with pete, even going as far as hiring an actress for MJ to over hear accusing norman
Stop trying to take this away from Norman.

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Anonymous Mon 26 Aug 2019 02:04:33 No.109590539 Report

Quoted By: >>109597528

>>109590488
I don't think anyone defends his run past the 500th issue, he admitted to coming up with the initial story of pete having secret kids buts its not unreasonable to think that editorial would be uncomfortable with it. Besides supposedly JMS has a page in the upcoming Marvel Comics 1000 and he does allegedly comment on regretting sins pas

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Anonymous Mon 26 Aug 2019 02:05:37 No.109590563 Report

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>>109590521
You do realize hoe much sins past takes away from norman right? It turns the death of gwen stacy from a deranged man attacking his nemesis to just some rich mother fucker trying to get out of child support

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Anonymous Mon 26 Aug 2019 02:06:22 No.109590582 Report

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>>109590408
Holy shit is that an aware opinion of JMS's bullshit?
Crazy.

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Anonymous Mon 26 Aug 2019 02:07:04 No.109590592 Report

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>>109590563
>just some rich mother fucker trying to get out of child support
Considering he raised the children to become mega assassins that doesn't make any sense
>You do realize hoe much sins past takes away from norman right?
If anything it makes him more evil
Btw I'm not defending Sins Past, it's a pile of shit I pretend never happening, but your takeaway is really dumb

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Anonymous Mon 26 Aug 2019 02:07:16 No.109590594 Report

Quoted By: >>109590614 >>109597947

>>109589983
Because JMS sucked. This, the 9/11 issue, Spider totems, the other, and never having Mayday, just tons of garbage.

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Anonymous Mon 26 Aug 2019 02:08:41 No.109590614 Report

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>>109590594
I wouldnt' say it sucked but there are so many zits across the run that I'm convinced its acclaim on /co/ comes from a combination of it being the run they grew up on, and him not being named Slott.

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Anonymous Mon 26 Aug 2019 02:12:44 No.109590707 Report

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>>109590592
It makes it less evil and more just convenient. Besides my explanation is surprisingly less dumb when you compare it to reviving Aunt May in the 90s

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Anonymous Mon 26 Aug 2019 02:12:46 No.109590710 Report

Quoted By: >>109599475

>>109590592
Norman's argument with Gwen was over him wanting to raise the children, not over him refusing to pay for them.
Sins Past plays into the relatively benign Norman of the time and the Green Goblin as separate personalities, Norman actually caring for Gwen and the Goblin taking her away from him to keep him from becoming weak.

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Anonymous Mon 26 Aug 2019 02:15:29 No.109590757 Report

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>>109590707
>when you compare it to reviving Aunt May in the 90s
Easily the dumbest thing in the history of comics. And all to save a boring 100 year old windbag

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Anonymous Mon 26 Aug 2019 02:24:25 No.109590935 Report

Quoted By: >>109591066 >>109591067

>>109590757
>>109590757
Yeah bringing her and norman back was a mistake, what makes it worse it bringing her back a second time and doing nothing with her. At least JMS gave us a May that knew and contributed to petes whole life, 10 years of slott and the best he did was get her married for a few issues before he died (though also really throwing off the age of May not only is she older than JJJ a man likely in his 60s but she's old enough to be his mother apparently)

When did pa kent die? I'd have thought that OMD came at around the same time in relation to spider-man

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Anonymous Mon 26 Aug 2019 02:32:19 No.109591066 Report

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>>109590935
>bringing her and norman back was a mistake
>wanting to deprive yourself of Norman's Thunderbolts and Dark Avengers
Normanfags rise up!

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Anonymous Mon 26 Aug 2019 02:32:25 No.109591067 Report

Quoted By: >>109591106

>>109590935
I can forgive reviving Norman because they ended up doing some interesting things by turning him into Lex Luthor 2.0 in stuff like Thunderbolts and Dark Avengers

Reviving Aunt May was pointless. She had long since served her purpose and just continued to serve as the annoying/nagging mother/grandmother, something people read comics to escape from. Shit, Uncle Ben died in his first appearance and no one is clamoring for him to come back. Why they felt like 400 issues of ASM wasn't enough Aunt May is beyond me.

And now she has cancer but Christ knows that'll miraculously get resolved.

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Anonymous Mon 26 Aug 2019 02:35:09 No.109591106 Report

Quoted By: >>109591251 >>109591362

>>109591067
>>109591066
TBF Aunt May's revival was justified quicker than normans was, May discovering petes identity in 01 to norman not joining the thunderbolts until 05

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Anonymous Mon 26 Aug 2019 02:44:41 No.109591251 Report

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>>109591106
Norman cleared his name and bought the Daily Bugle about a year after his return.

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Anonymous Mon 26 Aug 2019 02:51:46 No.109591362 Report

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>>109591106
I dunno, May was briefly useful during JMS and even then I found her naggy and annoying. It wasn't until Spider-Verse where they just turned her into Alfred they she was really interesting to me. The pleasure I got from Lex era Norman dwarfs the entirety of May's publication history

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Anonymous Mon 26 Aug 2019 03:03:30 No.109591554 Report

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>>109591362
I dunno I liked her relationship with the avengers, I don't think any of it was perfect but it at least had a reasonable growth of her character, if we could somehow get that with her end in 400 it would be perfect

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Anonymous Mon 26 Aug 2019 03:30:59 No.109592000 Report

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>>109591554
I can agree to that.
it really is a shame they undid 400 though. great ending to her story and the high point of the clone saga

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Anonymous Mon 26 Aug 2019 03:35:43 No.109592088 Report

Quoted By: >>109592122

>>109592000
>High point of the clone saga
>still at the beginning

It all checks out, I still haven't read the bulk of the clone saga. When It was coming out I went back into trades and essentials I didn't start reading spider-man month to month until Byrne took over (which had problems in its own right)

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Anonymous Mon 26 Aug 2019 03:38:07 No.109592122 Report

Quoted By: >>109592139

>>109592088
>I didn't start reading spider-man month to month until Byrne took over
that's gotta hurt

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Anonymous Mon 26 Aug 2019 03:39:35 No.109592139 Report

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>>109592122
It was pretty bad especially since I was just coming out of conway and books from the early 70s, it was jarring to say the least

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Anonymous Mon 26 Aug 2019 03:39:59 No.109592150 Report

Quoted By: >>109592238

>>109589983
>I-it was all Quesada's fault! Peter having children with Gwen that Norman kidnapped and then aged up and brainwashed into hating their father before sending them to kill him is actually a good idea!
It was a shitty idea no matter which version they went with. The story should never have existed.

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Anonymous Mon 26 Aug 2019 03:41:14 No.109592171 Report

Quoted By: >>109592262 >>109595025

>>109592139
Yeah, I went back and checked it out since an Omnibus was announced, and I couldn't get past more than a few issues. I really struggle with anything Byrne did after the 80s.

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Anonymous Mon 26 Aug 2019 03:42:38 No.109592199 Report

Quoted By: >>109592222 >>109592321 >>109592366

>>109590408
It's almost always correct to blame JMS. He had plenty of bad ideas and/or was flat out unreasonable (the Thor deal for instance) while always trying to blame everyone else and never taking responsibility. Remember that he had no problem with One More Day and erasing Peter's marriage, he was simply pissed that they went the Mephisto route which is why he wanted his name taken off of the book because he's a self-serving cunt who knew it could be spun to make him look free of any culpability in creating that pile of shit.

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Anonymous Mon 26 Aug 2019 03:43:41 No.109592222 Report

Quoted By: >>109592525

>>109592199
>(the Thor deal for instance)
Can I get a rundown?

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Anonymous Mon 26 Aug 2019 03:44:22 No.109592238 Report

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>>109592150
I hate tom defalco for the clone sage, But I still love him for spider-girl, I hate christopher priest for fucking up the hobgoblin reveal but I still love him as a writer. A writer can have bad ideas and good ideas look at the full picture of what happened, JMS still accepts the blame for his writing but you can't deny it was also a major oversite on the part of editorial

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Anonymous Mon 26 Aug 2019 03:45:24 No.109592262 Report

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>>109592171
>109592171
I do love some of the star trek stuff he's written (not the photo novels but the actual comics) But he certainly lost his mind after she hulk

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Anonymous Mon 26 Aug 2019 03:48:33 No.109592321 Report

Quoted By: >>109599513

>>109592199
Not absolving him completely but he wanted to revert peter all the way back to the status quo from 71 and bring gwen back. Thats why he was so pissy apparently

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Anonymous Mon 26 Aug 2019 03:50:47 No.109592366 Report

Quoted By: >>109593030

>>109592199
Samefagging but I forgot the reason JMS was mad about the Mephisto shit/OMD's ending was because JMS wanted to use it to erase literally all of Spider-Man's history from the '70s up through the present so that Gwen never died and all that. Quesada, of course, shot that idea down because it's completely insane because it would've completely invalidated all the work put in by guys like Conway, Stern, DeFalco, PAD and others on Spider-Man while necessitating a universal reset for the MU.

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Anonymous Mon 26 Aug 2019 03:59:07 No.109592525 Report

Quoted By: >>109593191

>>109592222
Marvel wanted JMS to write Thor, bringing him back from the dead after Disassembled. JMS would be willing to do it if he could basically have his run contained in its own little corner without crossing over with anything else. Marvel agreed and said they'd give him a year and then afterwards he'd be integrated back into the wider MU.

Well JMS' run was well received but was also chronically late. Even then Marvel gave him a little more time past the intiial year/twelve issues but eventually they decided they wanted him back in the wider MU and cooked up Siege. JMS got pissed and walked off of the book quitting Marvel. The upshot is that, needing a writer, Marvel gave the fill-in job created by JMS' sudden departure to Kieron Gillen and what was supposed to be a short fill-in wound up with him holding down the fort until Fraction came on and the strength and reception of that run led to Gillen being able to do Journey Into Mystery.

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Anonymous Mon 26 Aug 2019 04:30:43 No.109593030 Report

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>>109592366
>JMS wanted to use it to erase literally all of Spider-Man's history from the '70s up through the present so that Gwen never died and all that.
You're acting like that's a bad thing and not a good thing that allows stories and plot lines to be revisited and popular characters to be revived and made new again and fresh for new readers, as well as to correct bad mistakes of the past. He was 100% right to want to undo all the baggage, and Gwen was always better than MJ, they even made Captain Stacy's death meaningless by just killing her off right after.

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Anonymous Mon 26 Aug 2019 04:33:04 No.109593077 Report

Quoted By: >>109593217 >>109593376

Because he can. He can write the worst stories, spit on any character and you guys will buy it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Aug 2019 04:40:40 No.109593191 Report

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>>109592525
Didn't know about this. It was all for the best then, since Gillen's JiM is the best Thor (adjunct) run since Simonson

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Aug 2019 04:42:36 No.109593217 Report

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>>109593077
I don't think I've ever seen someone try to defend Superman Grounded

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Anonymous Mon 26 Aug 2019 04:50:51 No.109593339 Report

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>>109593030
>and Gwen was always better than MJ
No she wasn't.

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Anonymous Mon 26 Aug 2019 04:52:57 No.109593376 Report

Quoted By: >>109593493

>>109593077
Fucking no one defends Sins Past or OMD and the spider-totems are lukewarm at best.

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Anonymous Mon 26 Aug 2019 05:00:47 No.109593493 Report

Quoted By: >>109593513 >>109593517

>>109593376
The spider totem thing only worked as a way to introduce more insect based villains into his rogues gallery, it was awful when it was introduced as some sort of multiverse bullshit

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Anonymous Mon 26 Aug 2019 05:01:55 No.109593513 Report

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>>109593493
That's why I said lukewarm at best, the only other people that I see defending the totems are fans of Morlun.

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Anonymous Mon 26 Aug 2019 05:02:04 No.109593517 Report

Quoted By: >>109593543 >>109593573

>>109593493
but it gave us spider-verse which gave us into the spider-verse, the best animated movie ever

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Anonymous Mon 26 Aug 2019 05:03:38 No.109593543 Report

Quoted By: >>109593678

>>109593517
I guess that undoes the event, revives all the dead spider-people and erase the Inheritors from existence, right?

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Anonymous Mon 26 Aug 2019 05:05:37 No.109593573 Report

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>>109593517
spiderverse is not worth the cavalcade of shit avi arad amy pascal and sony have in the pipeline for years to come. Though it will be nice to see Marvel cancel Miles and Gwens books in retribution against them to not give sony free advertising.

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Anonymous Mon 26 Aug 2019 05:11:14 No.109593678 Report

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>>109593543
This is why we invented head-canon

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Anonymous Mon 26 Aug 2019 07:12:06 No.109595025 Report

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>>109592171
I liked his Wonder Woman run.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Aug 2019 07:32:38 No.109595227 Report

Quoted By: >>109596683 >>109596734

Just retcon Sins Past away as sexual violence and it's fine. Gwen doesn't get her grave pissed on and Norman is reaffirmed as an evil psycho. Victims often take horrible shit like that to the grave, particularly young ones, so that can easily be used to explain such an ugly retcon 25+ years on. Even the Gobbo twins can be excused by having Gweb portrayed as pro-life.

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Anonymous Mon 26 Aug 2019 08:45:34 No.109595851 Report

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>>109589983
JMS wanted Peter to be the father, Quesada had it be Norman. Which would you have preferred? Either way, it'd be forgotten/retconned.

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Anonymous Mon 26 Aug 2019 10:18:57 No.109596335 Report

Quoted By: >>109597447 >>109597917

>>109589983
The writer originally wanted the twins to be Peter's kids. Were Gwen gave birth to them both during her time in London. However, Quesada forced JMS to change that because having kids make Peer look older

Once again, JMS tried to retcon that story out of existence during OMD, with Gwen Stacy once again being alive and with Peter. And once again, Quesada forced JMS to keep Gwen dead and kept Sin's Past in canon

JMS quit Marvel and straight up hating Quesada ever since

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Anonymous Mon 26 Aug 2019 10:22:27 No.109596356 Report

Quoted By: >>109597319

>>109593030
>Gwen was always better than MJ
Hell yes. Gwen was always far better than MJ, and it would have been much interesting to see what would life be like had sh been alive

Hell, they can even canonize most of the Mexican Spider-Man stories into the new continuity

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Anonymous Mon 26 Aug 2019 11:16:44 No.109596683 Report

Quoted By: >>109596710 >>109596734 >>109596737

>>109595227
>Just retcon Sins Past away as sexual violence and it's fine. Gwen doesn't get her grave pissed on and Norman is reaffirmed as an evil psycho.
People don't want to believe Norman is the Green Goblin because Norman is a charismatic, likeable man, a man that men look up to and women are attracted to.
>Ruin all this and make him a rapist
No. Stop saying that.

>Hell yes. Gwen was always far better than MJ, and it would have been much interesting to see what would life be like had sh been alive
Pic related

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Anonymous Mon 26 Aug 2019 11:18:54 No.109596698 Report

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Because editorial didn't want Peter to have children.

Gwen's kids were meant to be Peter's, not Norman's.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Aug 2019 11:20:29 No.109596710 Report

Quoted By: >>109596734

>>109596683
>People wouldn't look up to Norman Osborn as a charismatic, likeable man if he was a RAPIST!
Oh, you sweet summer child.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Aug 2019 11:24:16 No.109596734 Report

Quoted By: >>109596742 >>109596830 >>109599857

>>109596683
>>109595227
>>109596710
Nobody likes Norman Osborn. I don't know why Marvel kept pushing him as THE VILLAIN NUMBAH ONE when there never was much going on with the character. He became a goblin and killed Gwen and that was fine. Then he was a ghost of the past muddling Harry's decisions which was fine too.

But the resurrection and having Oscorp at the center of everything? Fuck all that very much. Spider-man is supposed to be about the randomness of life, not some destined arch-villain crap. That shit belongs in Batman, not Spider-man.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Aug 2019 11:24:26 No.109596737 Report

Quoted By: >>109596830

>>109596683
>People don't want to believe Norman is the Green Goblin because Norman is a charismatic, likeable man, a man that men look up to and women are attracted to.
Fuck off Normanfag

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Aug 2019 11:25:28 No.109596742 Report

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>>109596734
Best scene of Spider-verse is when Green Goblin gets a metal object on his head and dies immediately.

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Anonymous Mon 26 Aug 2019 11:35:38 No.109596830 Report

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>>109596734
>Nobody likes Norman Osborn.
Lies, all lies.

>>109596737
>Not being a Normanfag
>In 2019
Think about your choices.

>>109596742
Yes, pretend Gwen/Miles doesn't make you ever angrier than Gwen/Norman

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Aug 2019 12:34:46 No.109597319 Report

Quoted By: >>109597377

>>109596356
>Mexican Spider-Man

Explain

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Anonymous Mon 26 Aug 2019 12:42:40 No.109597377 Report

Quoted By: >>109600780 >>109601616 >>109601745

>>109597319
After Gwen was killed in the comics, Mexicans were like "fuck that shit" and wrote their own continuity that let Gwen and Peter get a happy ending. They also gave Gwen a big, fat ass. Unf.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Aug 2019 12:49:39 No.109597447 Report

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>>109596335
Don't forget JMS's online feud with Wacker. Then JMS comes back, does an amazing Thor run, gets screwed over by Siege and leaves Marvel again.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Aug 2019 12:50:46 No.109597456 Report

Quoted By: >>109597482 >>109599885

>>109589983
I wonder would the reaction be a lot less horrible if it was Harry and not Norman who fucked her.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Aug 2019 12:53:35 No.109597482 Report

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>>109597456
In theory maybe, but in reality the exact same people would be demanding Harry be retconned into being a rapist

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Aug 2019 12:54:24 No.109597489 Report

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>>109590261
Hell you don't even have to make them Peter's actual kids
>Norman wants to fuck with Peter
>Long standing plan to make clone children using Gwen and Peter's DNA
>Make em aged up fast and teach them to hate the father who killed their mother and abandoned them
>Unleash them on Spider-man
Hell it's not like Pete doesn't have clone children around already remember that Gwen Stacy daughter that shares his and Cyclops's genes

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Aug 2019 12:55:59 No.109597499 Report

Quoted By: >>109597524

>>109590336
>it would be a nasty scandal for Marvel that could have seriously hurt merchandise sales.
Then less a decade later they sold comics on the idea of "Captain America was a secret Nazi Hydra agent all along"

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Aug 2019 12:57:12 No.109597510 Report

Quoted By: >>109597536 >>109597605

>>109589983
Why was she wearing a Klan hood?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Aug 2019 12:58:47 No.109597524 Report

Quoted By: >>109597576 >>109597592

>>109597499
>Then less a decade later they sold comics on the idea of "Captain America was a secret Nazi Hydra agent all along"
Hydra aren't Nazis. But casuals think they are, and that story backfired on Marvel so badly it's amazing that nobody stopped it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Aug 2019 12:59:58 No.109597528 Report

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>>109590539
While JMS wrote the two worst Spiderman comics in history his entire run was damn good and underrated. Birthday, Hydra and Back in Black arcs were excellent

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Anonymous Mon 26 Aug 2019 13:00:52 No.109597536 Report

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>>109597510
>Why was she wearing a Klan hood?
To try and run the Prowler out of town

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Aug 2019 13:04:57 No.109597576 Report

Quoted By: >>109597612

>>109597524
I get the feeling you think nazis called themselves nazis
they didn't, and they hated how the term mocked the Natsionalist Socialist German Workers Partners, which itself was a bold-faced lie willing to pose as anything that would garner more power

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Aug 2019 13:07:10 No.109597592 Report

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>>109597524
>Hydra aren't Nazis.
True, but Strucker has been doing a shit job keeping the Skulls filthy hands off Hydra so when he's in-charge they're defacto Neo-Nazis. Real talk though, real life brainletts cant help but compare every evil organisation to Nazis due to both a limited worldview, lack of imagination and contemporary fears

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Anonymous Mon 26 Aug 2019 13:07:24 No.109597593 Report

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>>109589983
Honestly, this was the style at the time, which is why he was one of the most popular and acclaimed writers.
Comic fans love relentlessly dark and fucked up shit happening to the characters to show how it's for mature readers (such as themselves).

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Anonymous Mon 26 Aug 2019 13:08:32 No.109597605 Report

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>>109597510
Kid me thought this was gonna be one of those afterschool special type issues where Spiderman fights the Klan good god I wish it was

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Anonymous Mon 26 Aug 2019 13:09:30 No.109597612 Report

Quoted By: >>109597795 >>109597934

>>109597576
Hydra don't have a nation, they're an international group, which means they can't be nationalists, which is a core element of fascism. Hydra are just an army of super-terrorists with no policies or belief system, they just want to take over the world because they're evil and want power. This is a child's idea of what a Nazi is.

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Anonymous Mon 26 Aug 2019 13:30:05 No.109597795 Report

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>>109597612
Shit like this makes it a lot harder to explain that to people though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Aug 2019 13:43:11 No.109597917 Report

Quoted By: >>109598052

>>109596335
Quesada is the worst shit ever happened to Spider-Man allongside Bendis

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Aug 2019 13:45:32 No.109597934 Report

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>>109597612
>>109597795

one of the best parts of Secret Empire was the lead up with HYDRACap's non-nazi HYDRA vs Red Skull's nazi HYDRA

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Aug 2019 13:46:55 No.109597947 Report

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>>109590594
The 9/11 issue is pretty good except for the infamous villains crying page.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Aug 2019 13:57:36 No.109598052 Report

Quoted By: >>109598191 >>109598401

>>109597917
I see you Slott, you fat sack of shit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Aug 2019 14:08:15 No.109598191 Report

Quoted By: >>109598653 >>109598660

>>109598052
I don't get the universal hate for Slott. The man has written alot of mediocre stories, a few shitty stories and a few good stories. I can understand not liking him but the vitriol I see is more appropriate for someone like Loeb who has actively ruined universes and is more than 50% shit when it comes to writing.

Is it a dislike of Slott as a person or is it just that people view the works I consider mediocre as downright terrible?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Aug 2019 14:25:15 No.109598401 Report

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>>109598052
Ah piece of shit too, i hate his Gwen's portrayal, seems the guy doesn't understand the characters he works with, but i gotta thank him for putting Sins past down the carpet

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Aug 2019 14:47:20 No.109598653 Report

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>>109598191
All the hate is completely justified if you've read Post-superior ASM.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Aug 2019 14:48:03 No.109598660 Report

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>>109598191
I might not feel so strongly about him if he'd left after Superior Spider-Man, but then he stuck around for another four years, and you could tell he was just doing it so he could brag about having been the lead Spidey writer for ten years and having written three milestone issues. His attitude towards any criticism his work got didn't help.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Aug 2019 14:55:09 No.109598760 Report

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>>109590336
Ironically, they keep killing off his supporting cast, which "ages him up" far worse than being married or having had children that grew up fast (which sucks too).

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Aug 2019 14:56:24 No.109598774 Report

Quoted By: >>109598822 >>109599360

>>109598653
>>109598660
Superior was a good reason for the hate, though half of it goes for editors pushing him to stretch it for a year.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Aug 2019 14:59:30 No.109598820 Report

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>>109598660
>>109598653
I didn't even know he stayed on after ASM. I enjoyed a lot of the BND era stories and I remembered Superior being pretty good before it ended. Didn't care for his Big Time stuff though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Aug 2019 14:59:51 No.109598822 Report

Quoted By: >>109598881

>>109598774
I don't think it's the editors fault that every single character had to be retarded for the story to work, or the amount of wanking that SpOck got or the damage that it did to Peter's character.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Aug 2019 15:04:51 No.109598881 Report

Quoted By: >>109598895

>>109598822
Well that shouldn't have gotten past them either, but my point is that Slott's idea was that it was gonna drag half as much.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Aug 2019 15:06:03 No.109598895 Report

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>>109598881
Yeah, after posting it I realized that the editors would've had to agreed to the whole thing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Aug 2019 15:43:55 No.109599360 Report

Quoted By: >>109599617

>>109598774
I was going to mention Superior Spider-Man, but it's got a surprising amount of fans here, and I don't just mean the current run. It's weird how many people want SpOck to show up in pretty much every new continuity now.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Aug 2019 15:47:19 No.109599409 Report

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>>109590408
JMS is a great writer but sometimes he has really poor ideas.
He's like the anti-Slott.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Aug 2019 15:52:20 No.109599475 Report

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>>109590710
>Norman actually caring for Gwen and the Goblin taking her away from him to keep him from becoming weak.
You're either misremembring or jumped universes at some point.
They just retconned Norman being a decent guy at this point (to be fair I think that was the case for a while) and he killed Gwen to stop her from being raising them "weak" like Harry.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Aug 2019 15:54:56 No.109599513 Report

Quoted By: >>109602222

>>109592321
That'd be a terrible idea for canon but I'd read a What If? series about it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Aug 2019 16:02:42 No.109599617 Report

Quoted By: >>109601980

>>109599360
I can sorta understand if they read it after the whole shitshow was over. Going a whole year through it, though...

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Aug 2019 16:18:59 No.109599857 Report

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>>109596734
>But the resurrection and having Oscorp at the center of everything?
Oscorp hasn't been a thing for ages.

There is no destiny shit. Norman isn't Magneto or Dr.Doom and that's why I like him. He's about as special as Peter and the only reason he's relevant because he won't stop trying to be.
He's just a delusional asshole who won't take no for an answer.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Aug 2019 16:20:37 No.109599885 Report

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>>109597456
It'd be the more mundane option.
They're childhood friends and both where having their respective relationship problems with Peter and MJ.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Aug 2019 16:56:34 No.109600480 Report

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>>109589983
Peter constantly has to suffer.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Aug 2019 17:13:51 No.109600780 Report

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>>109597377
>After Gwen was killed in the comics, Mexicans were like "fuck that shit" and wrote their own continuity that let Gwen and Peter get a happy ending
But that’s all completely untrue.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Aug 2019 18:03:30 No.109601616 Report

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>>109597377
Had JMS retcon Sin's Past out of continuity like he wanted then there would have been a possibility to add the Mexican Spider-Man stories into canon

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Anonymous Mon 26 Aug 2019 18:12:15 No.109601745 Report

Quoted By: >>109602808

>>109597377
Peter and Gwen even had a kid here

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Aug 2019 18:24:41 No.109601980 Report

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>>109599617
>Going a whole year through it, though...
It was almost two years.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Aug 2019 18:38:28 No.109602222 Report

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>>109599513
it doesn't make much sense but it would've been fun for another continuity. Though I'm trying to think how it would work because you lose shit like secret wars/venom, death of jean dewolf, kravens last hunt, you lose the clone saga from the beginning I have no idea how marvel would've been able to do it without a universal reboot. Hell you'd lost the giant sized x-men if they went back that far

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Aug 2019 19:12:53 No.109602808 Report

Quoted By: >>109603379

>>109601745
>Peter and Gwen even had a kid here
No they didn't, even the issue where they got married was only a dream Peter had

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Aug 2019 19:44:47 No.109603379 Report

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>>109602808
I know that. but I'm saying this could have happen as this cover showed. Had JMS retcon Sins Past out of continuity from OMD then the Mexican Spider-Man stories could have been added, and it would give the possible future for Peter to have. That wa when the time comes h would pass the mantle to Miles to take over

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