/co/ - Comics & Cartoons » Thread #106736008

280KiB, 1440x1080, Dumbo-disneyscreencaps_com-5974.jpg

View Same Google iqdb SauceNAO

Anonymous Sun 31 Mar 07:31:58 2019 No.106736008 View Reply Original Report

I'm black, and I don't understand HOW are they supposed to be "racist" ??
I've asked the question several times and never got a clear answer

Is it because one of the crows is named "Jim" ? Is that literally just because of this ?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 Mar 2019 07:34:48 No.106736049 Report

Quoted By: >>106736072 >>106736167

>>106736008
Because they were comic relief. Can't have a minority play comic relief anymore unless there's a minority lead also.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 Mar 2019 07:36:34 No.106736072 Report

Quoted By:

>>106736049
>minority

there are five of them, and only one mouse
the mouse is the minority lead

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 Mar 2019 07:39:36 No.106736110 Report

Quoted By:

>>106736008
They're not, anyone who says they are is a hyper sensitive dumbass.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 Mar 2019 07:41:27 No.106736132 Report

Quoted By: >>106736235

>>106736008
i thought they were some of the more likeable characters in the movie

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 Mar 2019 07:43:45 No.106736167 Report

Quoted By: >>106741389

>>106736049
Were they the comic relief? They were the nicest guys to Dumbo.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 Mar 2019 07:44:25 No.106736174 Report

Quoted By: >>106736215 >>106745396

>>106736008
Because they are characterchers of old Black Culture Stereotypes.

Remember, depiction of any culture is "racist"

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 Mar 2019 07:45:10 No.106736183 Report

Quoted By:

>>106736008
>I'm black
Maybe that's why you don't understand such a simple concept.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 Mar 2019 07:48:01 No.106736210 Report

Quoted By:

are vaudeville acts racist?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 Mar 2019 07:48:22 No.106736215 Report

Quoted By: >>106736241 >>106736656 >>106736961 >>106739702

>>106736174
>Because they are characterchers of old Black Culture Stereotypes.

like what ?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 Mar 2019 07:50:25 No.106736235 Report

Quoted By:

>>106736132
This. They weren’t portrayed as dumb or ill-intentioned, but were actually supportive and helpful. Their song is one of the best parts of the movie.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 Mar 2019 07:50:49 No.106736241 Report

Quoted By:

>>106736215
Black people be funny

Anonymous

View Same Google iqdb SauceNAO rdjoscars.jpg, 50KiB, 528x413

Anonymous Sun 31 Mar 2019 07:55:41 No.106736297 Report

Quoted By: >>106736635

>>106736008
You're right. They're not even stereotypes (offensive or not), but accurate depictions of "zoot suit" paraphernalia black groups wore in the 30s. They are just about the only level-headed and sensible characters in the movie, and a child watching this without any expectations would probably assume they're the coolest people in the movie.

It's because it's Disney, and people become nazis about that stuff. They assume because Song of the South has the racist stigma (which is a whole other story) Dumbo's black crows must also be racist jabs. It's not mean-spirited or offensive in the slightest, unlike the deleted stuff from Fantasia. The only things I could see somebody (thin-skinned) having a case with is naming the lead Jim Crow (which is more of an dumb easter egg than anything else) and that he's voiced by a white voice actor (Disney's frequent VA who also voiced Jiminy Cricket). All of the other crows are voiced by black guys though, which for the time is wild to think about.

You can't argue with people who disagree though, they're far gone to the groupthink. They don't listen to reason and will just assume you're a racist for even suggesting it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 Mar 2019 07:56:12 No.106736304 Report

Quoted By:

The crows are black and their beaks are big lips!

I'm not from an English speaking country, so I watched this movie as a kid in my language and the crows were just cool. I guess they were sanitized during translation.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 Mar 2019 08:05:00 No.106736439 Report

Quoted By: >>106736467 >>106740495 >>106741327

>>106736008
>I don't understand HOW are they supposed to be "racist" ??
They have stereotypical behavior, but I never thought they were racist either. If anything, they are the Greek chorus, and the smartest guys in the show. Plus their song is the best, and the humor comes from their cleverness, not pickaninny bufoonery. They get a bad rap.

There are other examples of (relatively) positive treatment of minorities in Disney lore...for instance Indians were never the bad guys in Davy Crockett (they were in fact framed by white assholes). Even Song of the South is only racist in the Big Picture sense, sort of like how the self-contained story in Green Book is solid, but within the wider cultural landscape, you can see why it pisses Spike Lee off.

I also always thought the Jim Crow name was a gag at the expense of the stupidity of Jim Crow laws, not promotion of them.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 Mar 2019 08:07:31 No.106736460 Report

Quoted By: >>106739332

>>106736008
why are you asking the morons here instead of looking up some well-written dissertation by someone that specializes in this kind of analysis?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 Mar 2019 08:08:00 No.106736467 Report

Quoted By:

>>106736439
at least everybody here knows better
right?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 Mar 2019 08:16:35 No.106736568 Report

Quoted By: >>106739083 >>106741516

>>106736008
Because they aren’t racist but everything has become so cynical nobody is allowed to enjoy them anymore. Honestly I’m fine with that trade off.They were cool supporting characters nothing more; let the pc mobs have them.

At least we’re not having Pinocchio banned or some shit cause people think Gapetto is a pedo

Anonymous

View Same Google iqdb SauceNAO D0AJOtHWkAACXk5.png, 188KiB, 317x372

Anonymous Sun 31 Mar 2019 08:17:56 No.106736578 Report

Quoted By: >>106736609 >>106736881

Pic related was recently chosen as a poster for a comicbook festival in my city. It features a local comicbook artist surrounded by some of the characters that he's created over the years.
The picture got negative feedback because of the black guy in it. People complained it's a racist caricature.

The black dude was created in the 1990s, at a time when asylum seekers from Africa were causing debate over here. The character is a very sympathetic and competent guy, and he gave representation to black people at a time when my region had barely any of them. But it didn't matter that the character had always been a positive portrayal of black people; the poster design was removed basically because it had the black guy in it. It seems to me more like a victory for racists, even though so-called tolerant people were pushing for the black guy's removal.

I think they thought the problem was the guy's lips? I've seen a lot of situations where people get angry when they see black guys with cartoon exaggeration, such as big lips that have lighter tone than their skin.

In the case of the crows, I think the issue is that their feathers are black, they speak like black people, and there's the reference to Jim Crow. They're meant to be thought of as black (even though kids or foreign people may not notice it; I didn't realize it until reading about it as an adult). They are positive portrayals of black people, but it just doesn't matter; some people are so hyper-sensitive and "tolerant" that they find a reason to get upset at any kind of portrayal of black features in fiction.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 Mar 2019 08:21:07 No.106736609 Report

Quoted By:

>>106736578
>some people are so hyper-sensitive and "tolerant" that they find a reason to get upset at any kind of portrayal of black features in fiction.
It's like the megatards who bitch about Huckleberry Finn because of the liberal use of the n-word, without paying a scrap of attention to the content of the book.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 Mar 2019 08:22:33 No.106736619 Report

Quoted By: >>106736668 >>106738851

Never understood the racist accusations. Do old southern black american men NOT constantly banter each other?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 Mar 2019 08:23:40 No.106736632 Report

Quoted By: >>106736679 >>106738851 >>106749352

>>106736008
That and they are stereotyped versions of black folks from the 1940's and were all voiced by white dudes.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 Mar 2019 08:24:10 No.106736635 Report

Quoted By: >>106741654 >>106748651 >>106748693 >>106749280

>>106736297
Fun fact. The black dudes who voiced the crows weren’t allowed to see the premiere of their own movie.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 Mar 2019 08:25:42 No.106736656 Report

Quoted By:

>>106736215
You aren’t an American so don’t bother asking. You’d know if you were. No one is that stupid.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 Mar 2019 08:26:55 No.106736668 Report

Quoted By:

>>106736619
With bullets yes. Not with words.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 Mar 2019 08:27:48 No.106736679 Report

Quoted By: >>106736766

>>106736632
they weren't white

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 Mar 2019 08:28:31 No.106736694 Report

Quoted By: >>106736757 >>106748314

>>106736008
I always assumed it was because they are dressed and behaving in a stereotypical manner associated with black people of the time in which the movie took place.

This kind of thing gets me thinking, Is a stereotype that isn't really applicable to a group anymore still considered racist?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 Mar 2019 08:34:34 No.106736757 Report

Quoted By:

>>106736694
Not applicable to dumbo, but yes because races don’t die like cultural fads do (unless you go full genocide I suppose).

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 Mar 2019 08:35:05 No.106736766 Report

Quoted By: >>106736829

>>106736679
one was VA white

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 Mar 2019 08:37:13 No.106736797 Report

Quoted By:

>>106736008
>I be done seen about everything
>be done seen
It's a classic example of ebonics, aka how black people speak. Also crows are black and they're just hanging around doing nothing and not having a job. Just like black people in real life.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 Mar 2019 08:38:02 No.106736817 Report

Quoted By:

>>106736008
but they were the coolest characters. how the can be rascist when they the best characters?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 Mar 2019 08:38:59 No.106736826 Report

Quoted By:

why do they always give cartoon birds yellow beaks? every bird does not have a seagull beak and sound like a red-tailed hawk

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 Mar 2019 08:39:03 No.106736829 Report

Quoted By:

>>106736766
but you said they were all white in a smug manner, so you’re backpedaling

Anonymous

View Same Google iqdb SauceNAO I+dont+know+what+you+guys+are+ta (...).png, 247KiB, 547x454

Anonymous Sun 31 Mar 2019 08:39:26 No.106736836 Report

Quoted By: >>106741921

>>106736008
>tfw you're from a different country and watched the film with a different dub who had nothing stereotypical at all

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 Mar 2019 08:42:53 No.106736881 Report

Quoted By:

>>106736578
>It seems to me more like a victory for racists, even though so-called tolerant people were pushing for the black guy's removal.
Pretty clever, right?

No one thinks racism is okay anymore. You can't keep the most baseline shitty job if you are openly racist. What is a racist supposed to do? Why, pretend to be notracist while convincing everyone to remove every trace of minority from view.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 Mar 2019 08:43:14 No.106736887 Report

Quoted By: >>106739248 >>106739608 >>106747548

>>106736008
It's mostly modern overcompensation, but the basic reasoning is that they have their roots in Afro-american subcultures of the 1930s-40s; they talk in distinctly Afro-american "jive" dialect, they wear outfits associated with those sub-cultures, they have an "Afro-american" accent... oh, and they're crows, so they're covered in black feathers, so "of course" they're stand-ins for Afro-americans.

Mind you I say all this being an Australian who grew up in the late 1980s-early 1990s, so my understanding is impaired.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 Mar 2019 08:45:09 No.106736912 Report

Quoted By: >>106741790

>>106736008
>I'm black
Sure you are

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 Mar 2019 08:45:48 No.106736918 Report

Quoted By: >>106739017 >>106739238 >>106741945 >>106742791

>>106736008
>I'm black, and I don't understand HOW are they supposed to be "racist" ??

Because people only see the surface, not any sort of deeper meaning.

The Crows were a subversion of a stereotype; they appeared to be zoot/jazz entertainers - a common stereotype of Black people at the time (i.e. Irish all become cops/are drunks, blacks all become goofy singers/dancers).
They were seen as colourful and fun, but not particularly smart or useful.

However, as others have said, they were the most level-headed and helpful/kind characters in the movie.

Or to give you a modern version:
Imagine Dumbo comes across some Crows that were dressed up as drug-dealers, rappers and wearing gang colours - speaking in slang-laden ebonics.
You might expect them to be assholes - this would be a reasonable (albeit stereotypical) assumption.

Now if those Crows help Dumbo out, that's subverting expectations, and there's probably a moral about not judging people by appearances etc.

But some people (we all know who) would just see a bunch of Crows, dressed and talking like bad stereotypes.
And they'd call that racist, because they can't be bothered to see any deeper meaning.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 Mar 2019 08:48:59 No.106736961 Report

Quoted By:

>>106736215
>Like what ?
Well like depicted in the damn OP.

Anonymous

View Same Google iqdb SauceNAO Peter_Griffin.png, 59KiB, 220x320

Anonymous Sun 31 Mar 2019 08:56:57 No.106737026 Report

Quoted By: >>106738452 >>106741385 >>106742898

>>106736008
Because we all watch Family Guy, and Family Guy told us they were.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 Mar 2019 11:45:12 No.106738410 Report

Quoted By:

>>106736008
In my country they were Gallegos, same shit, different name

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 Mar 2019 11:51:02 No.106738452 Report

Quoted By:

>>106737026
Family Gay WAS owned by a competing entertainment conglomerate. Yet libtards don't know any better.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 Mar 2019 12:34:14 No.106738730 Report

Quoted By: >>106738751 >>106738782

>>106736008
Magical Negro.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 Mar 2019 12:38:07 No.106738749 Report

Quoted By:

They're not racist.

They are, however, racial stereotypes of blacks at the time.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 Mar 2019 12:38:28 No.106738751 Report

Quoted By: >>106738830 >>106738852

>>106738730
>Magical Negro.
Dumbo is an African American.

Anonymous

View Same Google iqdb SauceNAO Qq6M5nf.gif, 2MiB, 480x270

Anonymous Sun 31 Mar 2019 12:42:28 No.106738782 Report

Quoted By:

>>106738730
Who you calling negro, bitch?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 Mar 2019 12:47:52 No.106738830 Report

Quoted By:

>>106738751
Hahaha, elephants are from Africa, amirite, bros, hahaha. Please, he's no more coded as African American than Shere Khan is coded as Indian. The crows, however...

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 Mar 2019 12:50:47 No.106738851 Report

Quoted By:

>>106736619
>>106736632

If anything, I think even back then, they are stereotyping or caricaturing blacks from a certain region, which is the south.

in this video, Scrub me Mamma with a Boogie Beat, it seems they make the clear difference between nortern blacks and southern black. Kinda like northern white mock southern "redneck" whites.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UacUR7bPnMM

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 Mar 2019 12:51:04 No.106738852 Report

Quoted By:

>>106738751
Correction: Dumbo is mixed race.
His mother is an Asian Elephant.
Jumbo Sr probably was an African Elephant. Or she cucked him with a cute local during a tour in Africa.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 Mar 2019 12:51:26 No.106738854 Report

Quoted By: >>106741439 >>106741542

>>106736008
Because they were just doing a live Minstrel show and were seen as retarded folk who couldn't read or write and almost killed Dumbo.
https://youtu.be/-_swtbIi2F0

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 Mar 2019 13:12:51 No.106739017 Report

Quoted By:

>>106736918
>Or to give you a modern version:
>Imagine Dumbo comes across some Crows that were dressed up as drug-dealers, rappers and wearing gang colours - speaking in slang-laden ebonics.
>You might expect them to be assholes - this would be a reasonable (albeit stereotypical) assumption.
This is depressing to read.
Damn this have racism up the ass, no wonder eminem got known as an exception among rappers when he never was.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 Mar 2019 13:14:50 No.106739034 Report

Quoted By: >>106741803

>>106736008
It was in a movie where blacks sang about how they can't read or write and reffered to each other as apes. Everyone ITT is ignoring that

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 Mar 2019 13:23:33 No.106739083 Report

Quoted By:

>>106736568
if anything Powerpuff Girls needs some more spotlight. Why was Professor Utonium trying to make little girls in his lab? Even if you accept the explanation that he was trying to save Townsville by creating offspring that he could raise to be a positive influence on the town at face value, he was still a dude sitting in his basement trying to grow children from food.

Anonymous

View Same Google iqdb SauceNAO pip_boy_thumbs_up.jpg, 97KiB, 1024x1024

Anonymous Sun 31 Mar 2019 13:44:46 No.106739238 Report

Quoted By:

>>106736918
This is a good post.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 Mar 2019 13:46:20 No.106739248 Report

Quoted By:

>>106736887
They ARE stand-ins for Black Americans....but so what?

For all their complaining of "erasure" supposed anti-racists love to erase things including depictions of minorities...so they can they complain there's no depictions of minorities and demand control over art to make some.

Anonymous

View Same Google iqdb SauceNAO 1446411409072.jpg, 34KiB, 619x501

Anonymous Sun 31 Mar 2019 13:47:54 No.106739261 Report

Quoted By: >>106739692

>>106736008
I think it's because of how they dress and the way they talk,

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 Mar 2019 13:48:41 No.106739266 Report

Quoted By:

>there are BLACKS in this movie
>that's racist

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 Mar 2019 13:50:15 No.106739280 Report

Quoted By:

>>106736008
They're stereotypes. It's not really a hard concept

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 Mar 2019 13:50:27 No.106739282 Report

Quoted By:

>>106736008
Because nobody knows the difference between a racial stereotype and a racist stereotype.
Are the crows supposed to be analogous to black people? Yes.
Are they supposed to be a negative depiction of black people? No.
That's all there is to it. The most "offensive" thing about them is the lead one being called Jim Crow and IIRC he isn't even identified as such within the movie.
The ironic part is that the movie does contain a probably racist scene earlier on (the Roustabouts song) but everyone kind of forgets that in favor of this stupid "controversy".

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 Mar 2019 13:57:00 No.106739332 Report

Quoted By:

>>106736460
Because they're looking for validation rather than thorough analyses from an opposing viewpoint.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 Mar 2019 14:03:37 No.106739388 Report

Quoted By:

>>106736008
It's racist because you're suppose to act white in public. If you people want to act like illiterate hecklers, do it in private. Don't behave in any way that whites don't like, it makes them feel frustrated and guilty when reality doesn't fit their worldview.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 Mar 2019 14:25:42 No.106739608 Report

Quoted By:

>>106736887
But there WERE blacks who spoke like that and who dressed like that. That is what pisses me off - they are stereotypes of a certain real subculture, but that is not racism. It is not even meanspirited. It was just a representation of how some blacks were, just like the fat fuck circus director was a representation of how some white guys were.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 Mar 2019 14:25:44 No.106739610 Report

Quoted By: >>106739669

It's racist because Jim Crow is a well-known act that is widely regarded as racist.
People in this thread are pointing out that they're african american. They're distinct from other characters. What "race" are the other characters? Why is it that only African Americans get represented with caricatures? Where's the redneck stereotype act?
It has the effect of distinguishing african americans as the other, separate from the normal people.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 Mar 2019 14:30:31 No.106739669 Report

Quoted By: >>106741854

>>106739610
Excuse you. The ringmaster is fat, loud and cruel. And he is white. The elephants who bully Dumbo and his mom are stereotypes of American WASP mothers. Now fuck off back to tumblr with your victim bullshit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 Mar 2019 14:32:34 No.106739692 Report

Quoted By:

>>106739261
What’s wrong with the way they dress ???

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 Mar 2019 14:33:18 No.106739702 Report

Quoted By:

>>106736215
It's their faces. Look at them closely. Literal niggers.
>>106736008
They're black and have huge beaks.

Anonymous

View Same Google iqdb SauceNAO Elephants_Dumbo.jpg, 132KiB, 1061x800

Anonymous Sun 31 Mar 2019 14:33:42 No.106739706 Report

Quoted By: >>106740477

You know...

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 Mar 2019 15:35:28 No.106740442 Report

Quoted By:

>>106736008
Also black, I always liked the crows from dumbo. They were some of the few characters in the movie that were actually sympathetic towards Dumbo. They also acted like a group of young black guys just hanging out, shit wasn't racist at all. Only issue was the lead crow name being Jim Crow. Other than that, I don't understand the backlash they get.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 Mar 2019 15:37:57 No.106740477 Report

Quoted By:

>>106739706
>that thread a few months ago

You know the one!

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 Mar 2019 15:39:18 No.106740495 Report

Quoted By: >>106740638

>>106736439
>They have stereotypical behavior

like what ? singing ? dancing ? hanging out ? helping elephants to fly ?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 Mar 2019 15:50:40 No.106740638 Report

Quoted By: >>106750176

>>106740495
Bruh, you know all about those urban inner-city hoodlums, hanging out on street corners and helping elephants fly and sheeit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 Mar 2019 16:08:56 No.106740922 Report

Quoted By:

>>106736008
>Is it because one of the crows is named "Jim" ?
No, totallyANiggerIRLAnon, that would be UN-possible.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Crow_laws

Anonymous

View Same Google iqdb SauceNAO e13e2a9bcc313dc2c7ef686f3640822d.jpg, 105KiB, 980x781

Anonymous Sun 31 Mar 2019 16:29:05 No.106741233 Report

Quoted By: >>106746059

>>106736008
>Is it because one of the crows is named "Jim" ? Is that literally just because of this ?
In the movie, he's not even named Jim (he's not referred to by name at all, actually). People only know this because a model sheet of the characters came out to the public at some point.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 Mar 2019 16:36:37 No.106741327 Report

Quoted By: >>106746268

>>106736439
>Indians were never the bad guys in Davy Crockett
They were portrayed as the completely wrong tribes though

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 Mar 2019 16:40:51 No.106741385 Report

Quoted By:

>>106737026
>muh Walt Disney was a racist anti-Semite
>has tons of jokes about niggers and jews (and Italians for some reason)

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 Mar 2019 16:41:15 No.106741389 Report

Quoted By:

>>106736167
>hey were the nicest guys
you are no longer allowed to be a nice guy

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 Mar 2019 16:45:18 No.106741439 Report

Quoted By:

>>106738854
Minstrel shows popularized nigger culture and were never popular in the South. People nowadays complain about Uncle Tom's Cabin cause of the stereotypes even though it's an anti-slavery novel.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 Mar 2019 16:51:12 No.106741516 Report

Quoted By:

>>106736568
>Gapedo

Anonymous

View Same Google iqdb SauceNAO 000C09FE00000258-5255789-Controv (...).jpg, 66KiB, 634x471

Anonymous Sun 31 Mar 2019 16:51:29 No.106741522 Report

Quoted By: >>106741560 >>106741565 >>106741765

>>106736008
Honestly, people here are so defensive, most people are gonna be yelling how this is just being sensitive and never felt any racism from it.

Truth is- It's racist, but it's not like it's toxic. The Crows follow a minstrel tradition.archtype. The way they speak and move is a callback to racist depictions of black people, that are heavily stereotyped and actively limited people at a time. The "Jim Crow" voice actor was a white man who was acting acording to this stereotype.

It's not the end of the world to admit a work produced in a heavily racist society, addressing the targets of racism, would have -some- racism.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 Mar 2019 16:53:17 No.106741542 Report

Quoted By:

>>106738854
If the crows are putting on a minstrel show, then you used a pretty poor example because that doesn't really resemble anything the crows did besides have a catchy band

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 Mar 2019 16:54:46 No.106741560 Report

Quoted By: >>106741694

>>106741522
>Honestly, people here are so defensive, most people are gonna be yelling how this is just being sensitive and never felt any stereotyping from it.

>Truth is- It's stereotypical, but it's not like it's toxic. The Crows follow a minstrel tradition.archtype. The way they speak and move is a callback to stereotypical depictions of black people, that are heavily stereotyped and actively limited people at a time. The "Jim Crow" voice actor was a white man who was acting acording to this stereotype.

Fixed your post

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 Mar 2019 16:55:11 No.106741565 Report

Quoted By: >>106741595

>>106741522
>Honestly, people here are so defensive
No, they're just /pol/niggers trying to be edgy because the live action version is coming out soon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 Mar 2019 16:56:30 No.106741590 Report

Quoted By:

I mean...is the problem that AAs in the 1940’s apparently didn’t have a tradition of lighthearted teasing and boisterousness?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 Mar 2019 16:56:41 No.106741592 Report

Quoted By:

79 replies and not one of you explained how are the crows racist in any way

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 Mar 2019 16:56:45 No.106741595 Report

Quoted By:

>>106741565
>Soon
It's already out, and it's mediocre

Anonymous

View Same Google iqdb SauceNAO Ray.jpg, 6KiB, 210x240

Anonymous Sun 31 Mar 2019 16:56:48 No.106741598 Report

Quoted By: >>106741623

>>106736008
About the same level as this

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 Mar 2019 16:58:20 No.106741623 Report

Quoted By: >>106741639

>>106741598
You can't be racist towards white people

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 Mar 2019 16:59:12 No.106741639 Report

Quoted By: >>106741659

>>106741623
why?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 Mar 2019 17:00:17 No.106741654 Report

Quoted By:

>>106736635
Like that chick in Romeo and Juliet who wasn't allowed to see her own tits.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 Mar 2019 17:00:38 No.106741659 Report

Quoted By: >>106741722 >>106741730

>>106741639
Racism doesn't work that way. Only minorities can feel the oppression of racism. White people are privileged, therefore it's not possible to be racist to them.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 Mar 2019 17:02:56 No.106741694 Report

Quoted By: >>106741709 >>106746351

>>106741560
This isn't a neutral archetype. It's racially based, pejorative, and it was harmful because it was so widespread. It promoted a negative image for an entire race, for a pretty long while.

Calling this stereotypical to avoid calling it racist is like saying an ape's a mammal to avoid calling it a primate. It's both.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 Mar 2019 17:04:29 No.106741709 Report

Quoted By: >>106745246

>>106741694
Maybe for other examples such as Fantasia, but the Dumbo example isn't pejorative or harmful. In the context of the story, nothing about what they do implies any sort of inferiority, and are one of the few sympathetic characters towards Dumbo. The crows fail to be a "negative image" because of this.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 Mar 2019 17:04:45 No.106741711 Report

Quoted By: >>106741831

>>106736008
>Jim Crow
>Jim Crow Laws
But yes, the character is very likable.

Anonymous

View Same Google iqdb SauceNAO 1503882008-dcshhh3uqaefkpf.png, 40KiB, 500x500

Anonymous Sun 31 Mar 2019 17:05:56 No.106741722 Report

Quoted By: >>106741728

>>106741659
Impossible to tell if trolling because tumblr actually believes this.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 Mar 2019 17:06:20 No.106741728 Report

Quoted By: >>106741736 >>106741746

>>106741722
It's shitposting, I was hoping it'd be obvious

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 Mar 2019 17:06:31 No.106741730 Report

Quoted By: >>106746700

>>106741659
Fuck off with this bullshit, Anon. You're talking about Institutionalized Racism, which yes, white people can't really be victims of unless they're the minority in a country. But regular ass racism is just hating someone because of their skin color. White is a skin color. Non-white people can and do hate white people because of their skin. Even though whites as a group aren't getting oppressed by society, it is absolutely racism if a black man shoots a white man because of his fucking skin color.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 Mar 2019 17:07:24 No.106741736 Report

Quoted By:

>>106741728
Sadly, it's not. They literally believe this.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 Mar 2019 17:07:50 No.106741746 Report

Quoted By:

>>106741728
fuck I fell for it. I've spent too much time in the "progressive" spaces that believe this garbage, forgive me.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 Mar 2019 17:09:30 No.106741765 Report

Quoted By:

>>106741522
Lol this, Disney might've been progressive for his day (the crows were actually good people who helped Dumbo) but he was still racist (everything else about the crows).

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 Mar 2019 17:12:10 No.106741790 Report

Quoted By: >>106741810

>>106736912
>I'm black and I have no fucking clue of how racist america was just 2 generations ago.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 Mar 2019 17:13:15 No.106741803 Report

Quoted By:

>>106739034
You're the real racist for noticing racism in action.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 Mar 2019 17:13:43 No.106741810 Report

Quoted By: >>106741897

>>106741790
>I’m from /pol/ and enjoy false flagging with strawman SJW platitudes to (((steer))) the narrative

Anonymous

View Same Google iqdb SauceNAO 1542239188946.jpg, 15KiB, 423x293

Anonymous Sun 31 Mar 2019 17:15:23 No.106741831 Report

Quoted By: >>106741932

>>106741711
>barely remember anything about Dumbo besides the basic plot
>all this shit flinging over the crows
>could see the connection to Jim Crow Laws because they're crows duh
>but there's no way that's actually his name-
>it is
Holy shit Disney. You think iff they had been a thing during the 1800s there would've been a character named 'Three-Fifths Compromise Joe'?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 Mar 2019 17:17:04 No.106741852 Report

Quoted By: >>106742176

>>106736008
Liberals like to pretend that black people don't act like black people, so whenever they see an unflattering depicition of black people, they think of it as racist.
Even when it is accurate.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 Mar 2019 17:17:27 No.106741854 Report

Quoted By:

>>106739669
>The ringmaster is fat, loud and cruel. And he is white.
But he is not fat, loud, and cruel because he is white.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 Mar 2019 17:19:24 No.106741879 Report

Quoted By:

>>106736008
I am not from an Anglo-American country so I never knew they were supposed to be American-black until I was well into my teens. I thought they were a bunch of locals who, after the mouse's argument, decided to help out a kid who was troubled. they were what I liked most about the movie.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 Mar 2019 17:20:26 No.106741897 Report

Quoted By:

>>106741810
>stating an obvious fact is false flagging
>ignoring that people missing the fact are being willfully blind.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 Mar 2019 17:22:12 No.106741921 Report

Quoted By:

>>106736836
this

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 Mar 2019 17:22:30 No.106741926 Report

Quoted By:

>>106736008
As a kid I quite liked the song. The crows are cool, the lyrics were great. It's kinda weird that they got the head crow to be voiced by a white guy to do a black(?) impression. I understand the arguments of it being a racist portrayal, but meh. Everyone's racist to some extent, and in this case, I think it's a comparatively positive use of stereotyping.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 Mar 2019 17:23:08 No.106741932 Report

Quoted By: >>106741946 >>106741982

>>106741831
No one would care about a name without being taught to be racist. So congratulations on falling for the indoctrinated brainwashing.

His name is Jim, and he is a Crow.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 Mar 2019 17:24:03 No.106741945 Report

Quoted By:

>>106736918
This is a good explanation

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 Mar 2019 17:24:05 No.106741946 Report

Quoted By: >>106741966 >>106746425

>>106741932
Yeah it's just a happy coincidence the character meant to represent a black person is named Jim Crow.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 Mar 2019 17:25:21 No.106741966 Report

Quoted By: >>106741985

>>106741946
No, that is your interpretation of injecting your politics into it.

Anonymous

View Same Google iqdb SauceNAO Thomas-D-Rice-1832.jpg, 39KiB, 351x400

Anonymous Sun 31 Mar 2019 17:26:20 No.106741982 Report

Quoted By:

>>106741932
This movie wasn't made in a country that didn't have a set of color codes specifically names as the jim crow laws.
Also Jim Crow is a literal minstrel show.

Anonymous

View Same Google iqdb SauceNAO 1395267598556.gif, 345KiB, 200x103

Anonymous Sun 31 Mar 2019 17:26:27 No.106741985 Report

Quoted By: >>106742223

>>106741966

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 Mar 2019 17:30:56 No.106742049 Report

Quoted By: >>106742139

For the sake of discussing the leader crow being named "Jim Crow", which of course is referencing Jim Crow laws, wikipedia says the voice actors did not receive screen credit, which I take to mean their names do not show up in the credits sequences. And I don't know if the leader crow is explicitly referred to as Jim in the dialogue. I vaguely remember this being originated from the script copies referring to the leader as Jim Crow, which I would assume was an inside "joke" shared by the crew and voice actors.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 Mar 2019 17:37:59 No.106742139 Report

Quoted By:

>>106742049
The credits sequence doesn't feature any of the VAs, and the credits are really short in general too. Look at all those people listed as "uncredited" on this page:
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0033563/fullcredits

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 Mar 2019 17:38:40 No.106742148 Report

Quoted By:

>>>/trash/22211943

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 Mar 2019 17:40:18 No.106742176 Report

Quoted By: >>106742442

>>106741852
How is it unflattering though?

Anonymous

View Same Google iqdb SauceNAO cartoon-characters.jpg, 14KiB, 236x274

Anonymous Sun 31 Mar 2019 17:41:51 No.106742199 Report

Quoted By: >>106742415

The crows are only racist if the movie itself makes them out to be a negative stereotype on uneducated black hobos. No child, nor adult without any knowledge of the origins of Jim Crow Laws, nor the era they come from outside of the US would think anything of it.

Not until you are """"educated"""" to it being a racist depiction is when you were taught it to be so. The fallacy of it all as entertainment should be separated from their eras of influence. Just because it is offensive does not account to it for being altered from its original form. As the movie itself does not portray anything negative about the Crows as characters themselves. As they are a window or even a """"time capsule"""" to the hearts and minds of how people who created or appreciate that said piece thought. For better or for worse.

They certainly did not turn anyone racist against black folk. If anything they were enduring and memorable. Giving people a positive experience of joy for being underdog characters to cheer for. That is far more important than the politically correct driven era of classic toon censorship.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 Mar 2019 17:43:22 No.106742223 Report

Quoted By:

>>106741985
>I have no rebuttle

Anonymous

View Same Google iqdb SauceNAO 1508960469379.png, 70KiB, 288x288

Anonymous Sun 31 Mar 2019 17:44:19 No.106742240 Report

Quoted By: >>106742382 >>106742401 >>106742446

>this is considered racist
>but the highly caricatured street-talking "gangsta nigga weed thug life" hip hop/rap artist is totally okay despite being just as stereotypical
That shit is the equivalent of a modern day minstrel show.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 Mar 2019 17:52:55 No.106742382 Report

Quoted By:

>>106742240
>implying people are ok with this stereotype.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 Mar 2019 17:53:53 No.106742401 Report

Quoted By: >>106742719 >>106750086

>>106742240
Blacks are constantly condemning/criticizing that part of black culture. I guess the difference now is that there are some blacks who've made it to obscenely rich status, though they're probably still getting checks written by some even richer white men.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RM7lw0Ovzq0

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 Mar 2019 17:54:50 No.106742415 Report

Quoted By: >>106742439

>>106742199
>No child, nor adult without any knowledge of the origins of Jim Crow Laws, nor the era they come from outside of the US would think anything of it
Doesn't erase the fact that crows are reference to a minstrel show.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 Mar 2019 17:54:57 No.106742423 Report

Quoted By:

>>106736008
>I'm black
Whitey detected.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 Mar 2019 17:56:11 No.106742439 Report

Quoted By: >>106742457 >>106742490

>>106742415
>Doesn't erase the fact that crows are a reference to a minstrel show.
Faggot, the average fucking kid or even adult has no idea what the fuck a minstrel show is.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 Mar 2019 17:56:19 No.106742442 Report

Quoted By:

>>106742176
Stereotypes are bad because they dehumanize people.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 Mar 2019 17:56:45 No.106742446 Report

Quoted By: >>106742474

>>106742240
Gangbangers haven’t been cool since like 2003. Now it’s all about that SoundCloud style. Just being completely fucked up and indulging in drugs & pussy to make it all go away.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 Mar 2019 17:57:21 No.106742457 Report

Quoted By: >>106742486

>>106742439
Your ignorance of the fact doesn't change the circumstances.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 Mar 2019 17:58:23 No.106742474 Report

Quoted By:

>>106742446
And that's equality because white people also glamorize that shit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 Mar 2019 17:59:00 No.106742486 Report

Quoted By:

>>106742457
The lack of said circumstances does not change validation one's ignorance.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 Mar 2019 17:59:07 No.106742490 Report

Quoted By: >>106742615

>>106742439
They literally did back when it was made

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 Mar 2019 18:00:27 No.106742518 Report

Quoted By: >>106742644 >>106746509

I can't see how the crows could be racist, but something like Fat Albert isn't

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 Mar 2019 18:05:17 No.106742615 Report

Quoted By: >>106742698 >>106744789 >>106749824

>>106742490
>They literally did back when it was made
That does not matter in a modern era of thought and reasoning. How the fuck can the liberal left be so regressive? How many pieces of art and entertainment depicting bestiality, incest, rape, cannibalism, racism, fratricide, and genocide are going on the chopping block?

Anonymous

View Same Google iqdb SauceNAO hey hey hey.gif, 2MiB, 500x374

Anonymous Sun 31 Mar 2019 18:06:24 No.106742644 Report

Quoted By:

>>106742518
> it's okay for white cartoon characters to have unflattering physical traits

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 Mar 2019 18:10:13 No.106742698 Report

Quoted By: >>106742795 >>106745451 >>106749770

>>106742615
>That does not matter in a modern era of thought and reasoning
How about this
https://youtu.be/C6c-bCSSKMo

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 Mar 2019 18:11:15 No.106742719 Report

Quoted By: >>106750194

>>106742401
>Blacks are constantly condemning/criticizing that part of black culture

no they aren't

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 Mar 2019 18:12:29 No.106742737 Report

Quoted By: >>106742811

It's well known that blacks are too dumb to tell when they're being made fun of.
see: black panther

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 Mar 2019 18:12:50 No.106742742 Report

Quoted By:

No one believes you are a nigger, nigger.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 Mar 2019 18:15:24 No.106742791 Report

Quoted By: >>106742903

>>106736918
even a helpful stereotype is still bad. Like Asian being good at math.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 Mar 2019 18:15:41 No.106742795 Report

Quoted By:

>>106742698
Isn't that song educational on how black laborers were treated? Why would anyone want to remove it?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 Mar 2019 18:16:45 No.106742811 Report

Quoted By:

>>106742737
I haven't seen it as I got to burn out on Marvel movies.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 Mar 2019 18:21:41 No.106742898 Report

Quoted By:

>>106737026
Family Guy is a hypocritical show, complaining about how dumb Americans are while coasting on the success of said Americans' interests.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 Mar 2019 18:21:49 No.106742903 Report

Quoted By: >>106744269 >>106745270 >>106746218

>>106742791
I like how in an era when people are pretending to be """"WOKE"""" on stereotypes that white stereotypes are still okay.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 Mar 2019 18:25:25 No.106742967 Report

Quoted By:

>>106736008

You're no black... i hate that wypipo do this shit

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 Mar 2019 18:59:58 No.106743589 Report

Quoted By: >>106744270 >>106744310

>>106736008
They're not "maliciously" racist characters. They're portrayed in a friendly way in an overly cynical film. But they are stereotypically racist, sort of magic negroes types who exist to help the protagonist though. It'd be like if you took Mr. Miyagi and gave him a rice farmer conical hat. It's a matter of portrayal of the race. Not just their individual character.

I don't think there's anything wrong with liking them as long as you can just acknowledge they offend some people. I remember having an old cassette of Disney songs and really digging "when I see an elephant fly" but I'm not going to tell some black dude "no this is why you're wrong for feeling this way" when it doesn't effect me in any way.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 Mar 2019 19:33:14 No.106744243 Report

Quoted By:

>>106736008
IE
I'm a 12 year old and don't understand my own history.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 Mar 2019 19:34:51 No.106744269 Report

Quoted By: >>106744326

>>106742903
Name 5 stereotypes of white.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 Mar 2019 19:35:04 No.106744270 Report

Quoted By: >>106745310

>>106743589
you need to go back

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 Mar 2019 19:37:11 No.106744310 Report

Quoted By: >>106745310

>>106743589
so you're saying they are racist because they help dumbo

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 Mar 2019 19:38:12 No.106744326 Report

Quoted By: >>106744363 >>106746258

>>106744269
can't dance, don't season chicken, can't eat spicy food, are clueless, are racist

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 Mar 2019 19:39:44 No.106744363 Report

Quoted By: >>106747692

>>106744326
4 of those are not stereotype of whites, I've ever heard.
Define clueless in what way.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 Mar 2019 20:00:49 No.106744789 Report

Quoted By:

>>106742615
Both extremes are regressive. The alt right is getting to the ridiculous point that they condemn the same things as the liberal left but think they're better because they're 'fighting degeneracy.'

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 Mar 2019 20:27:46 No.106745246 Report

Quoted By: >>106745769 >>106746468

>>106741709
What's the point of even discussing it with you. You're outraged, and you have a set opinion, so it's not like you have any interest is following what's pretty rational.

It was created with obvious racist connotations. That was the goal. The fact people don't understand the context of it doesn't mean that wasn't the message.

The same way that if I call you a retard in Chinese, you don't get it, it doesn't change that I called you a retard.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 Mar 2019 20:29:17 No.106745270 Report

Quoted By:

>>106742903
Yes. Whites are the real victims all along.

Anonymous

View Same Google iqdb SauceNAO 1554053695499.jpg, 53KiB, 440x660

Anonymous Sun 31 Mar 2019 20:31:32 No.106745310 Report

Quoted By: >>106745825

>>106744310
Not really, I don't think they're racist for helping Dumbo. Nor do I think them being "racist" means bad, they're just stereotypical jive-talking 1940s southern jazz stereotypes. They're fun.

Alls I'm saying is, I can see why some black people would be upset. Hell if you watch Fritz the Cat you can probably see that Crumb/Bakshi probably got the idea for crows=black people from Dumbo. There's nothing really maliciously racist about the crows other than "Jim Crow" and that wasn't supposed to be public information in the first place.

>>106744270
I've been hear for 13 years, I wish I could.

Anonymous

View Same Google iqdb SauceNAO uneducated_50_1_50.jpg, 442KiB, 620x933

Anonymous Sun 31 Mar 2019 20:36:40 No.106745396 Report

Quoted By:

>>106736174
>characterchers

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 Mar 2019 20:40:57 No.106745451 Report

Quoted By:

>>106742698
I didn't even register them as black until now desu. I figured they were just poor, hard-working but short-sighted carny folk, and they were in shadow because it was dark and they were human characters in a movie where animals were the focus, like how Animals of Farthing Wood never showed the faces of the humans they encountered.

Anonymous

View Same Google iqdb SauceNAO 1467839835672.jpg, 291KiB, 1066x714

Anonymous Sun 31 Mar 2019 20:41:28 No.106745460 Report

Quoted By:

>include minority side characters
>decades later it's considered "racist"

Can't wait to see how all this inclusivity in movies and cartoons is viewed 30 years from now.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 Mar 2019 21:00:09 No.106745769 Report

Quoted By:

>>106745246
Nothing in that anon's post cries "outrage," and clearly your opinion is not any more flexible. If discussing it is so useless, why bother saying so? People who do that are insufferable. Just be happy you're so clear-minded if you're so convinced you are.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 Mar 2019 21:03:37 No.106745825 Report

Quoted By: >>106745842

>>106745310
>I can see why some black people would be upset

And the reason is ?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 Mar 2019 21:04:38 No.106745842 Report

Quoted By: >>106746312

>>106745825
they're upset at everything. Maybe go outside before asking rhetorical questions

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 Mar 2019 21:16:57 No.106746059 Report

Quoted By:

>>106741233
His name is also in a lot of the 1940s books and comics spun off of the film.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 Mar 2019 21:18:59 No.106746101 Report

Quoted By:

>>106736008
It's a bizarrely ingrained reaction some people have, namely the mentally deficient ones who have "guilt" and think they must feel bad for anything negative they see. It's why you have these retards who think any cartoons depicting monkeys might be racist because "oh, monkeys equal black people" despite anyone with a fucking normal brain knowing that ALL humans descended from monkeys, not just one race of humans.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 Mar 2019 21:26:09 No.106746218 Report

Quoted By:

>>106742903
It's okay to punch up.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 Mar 2019 21:28:43 No.106746258 Report

Quoted By:

>>106744326
>can't eat spicy food
Pretty sure everyone varies on how they handle spicy stuff. Some can eat tons of hot wings and not end up shitting fire, others can't. That has never once sounded like a race thing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 Mar 2019 21:29:03 No.106746268 Report

Quoted By:

>>106741327
>>Indians were never the bad guys in Davy Crockett
>They were portrayed as the completely wrong tribes though
Right, I didn't say Disney was well-informed, just that they were well-intentioned. And the story about Walt being an anti-Semite is also bullshit. He'd probably be considered a racist by modern standards, but by contemporary standards, he was progressive. He'd be labeled a SJW by the /pol/tards today.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 Mar 2019 21:31:50 No.106746312 Report

Quoted By:

>>106745842
Only the dumb ones who have bought the "narrative" that they're still oppressed and barred from enjoying great successes in their lives, and that's only a small minority of them. The majority of blacks either don't give a fuck and live their lives how they please, or they're smart enough to know that there isn't some cabal of whites that actively seek to keep them in the worst jobs possible and with subpar education.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 Mar 2019 21:33:49 No.106746351 Report

Quoted By:

>>106741694
>This isn't a neutral archetype. It's racially based, pejorative, and it was harmful because it was so widespread. It promoted a negative image for an entire race, for a pretty long while.
But there's nothing negative about it. They are the coolest characters in the movie. Now, it's not a fair representation of how most black people behaved, but neither is James Bond a fair representation of Brits. But he's cool. He is DIFFERENT, but he's not bad.

Movies are about non-standard behavior because that's interesting.

Anonymous

View Same Google iqdb SauceNAO manfaceaua.jpg, 56KiB, 600x693

Anonymous Sun 31 Mar 2019 21:37:02 No.106746411 Report

Quoted By: >>106746489

>its another "anon pretends to not know what racism is." episode.

Anonymous

View Same Google iqdb SauceNAO 1554017518038.jpg, 331KiB, 1440x1080

Anonymous Sun 31 Mar 2019 21:37:19 No.106746422 Report

Quoted By:

this is why

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 Mar 2019 21:37:28 No.106746425 Report

Quoted By:

>>106741946
>Yeah it's just a happy coincidence the character meant to represent a black person is named Jim Crow.
It's a fucking joke! The character doesn't in any way represent or promote Jim Crow laws. It's a joke, and it's funny.

Anonymous

View Same Google iqdb SauceNAO He Mad.jpg, 37KiB, 370x300

Anonymous Sun 31 Mar 2019 21:39:43 No.106746468 Report

Quoted By:

>>106745246

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 Mar 2019 21:41:10 No.106746489 Report

Quoted By:

>>106746411
Nowadays, a lot of people sadly don't know what racism is. Just look at the dipshits on twitter and tumblr who believe it involves having power over others despite that literally never once being a factor in the definition of the word.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 Mar 2019 21:42:21 No.106746509 Report

Quoted By:

>>106742518
>I can't see how the crows could be racist, but something like Fat Albert isn't
That's an excellent point. Stereotypical behavior, yes, but warmly handled.

You can quibble about the definition of "racist", but does anyone believe there was malice behind the depiction of the crows?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 Mar 2019 21:43:27 No.106746527 Report

Quoted By:

>>106736008
>>>/pol/ likes weak bait

Anonymous

View Same Google iqdb SauceNAO Louis facepalm.png, 217KiB, 358x478

Anonymous Sun 31 Mar 2019 21:54:13 No.106746700 Report

Quoted By:

>>106741730
>falling for that bait
Come on anon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 Mar 2019 21:58:00 No.106746750 Report

Quoted By: >>106746772 >>106746816 >>106746982

>>106736008
So this is a thread about just patting ourselves on the back for being unbothered by obvious racial stereotypes, right? Neat.

In case OP is actually sincere:

>Crow was a somewhat-disparaging slang term for black people
>Jim Crow is an old, once-popular minstrel song about a really stereotypical black guy, usually sung in blackface and with an exaggerated ebonic accent and dialect for common effect
>having a white guy do an exaggerated impression of a black guy while portraying a crow wearing stereotypcial black fashion, while named after a famous minstrel song usually done in blackface no less, kind of seems like an approving nod to blackface performances
>also, Jim Crow laws and minstrelry are weird things to casually reference in a kids' cartoon if you aren't sort of in favour of them

It's a product of its times, and as others in the thread note, the crows subvert some stereotypical expectations the viewers might have made about black people, but let's not pretend like the answer to your question isn't obvious. You may disagree with the answer being logical, or think the positivity of their portrayal negates or cancels out the bits people take umbrage with... But that's all subjective.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 Mar 2019 21:59:25 No.106746772 Report

Quoted By:

>>106746750
*comic effect

Fuck's sake.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 Mar 2019 22:02:54 No.106746816 Report

Quoted By: >>106746853

>>106746750
People are unbothered because it's not really that bothersome. Anyone being offended by it now is either thin-skinned, or really stupid. It's just silly to be annoyed with it, like those few who think Louie from Jungle Book was racist for some bizarre reason.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 Mar 2019 22:06:06 No.106746853 Report

Quoted By: >>106746912 >>106747084

>>106746816
Offensiveness is always subjective.

Do you feel the same way about blackface performances in general? If you find thsoe offensive, it makes perfect sense to find the crows in Dumbo offensive, especially Jim.

If you don't find blackface or minstrelry offensive, then fair enough, but don't pretend it doesn't make some sort of intuitive sense for otehr people to find it offensive. The entire premise of that subgenre of entertainment is "haha, black people, look, act, and talk funny". Few people like being regarded as clownish when they aren't trying to be.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 Mar 2019 22:09:49 No.106746912 Report

Quoted By: >>106746981

>>106746853
The crows are hardly the same as someone doing blackface though. One is deliberately doing something to be offense (at least in most cases, there are some where it really isn't), the other was just a bunch of characters with some mild stereotypical traits who actually ended up breaking a lot of expectations by being probably the only sympathetic characters outside of Dumbo's immediate circle of friends to help him in his time of need. And again, they're hardly that offensive in this day and age, since hardly any blacks act like that anymore.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 Mar 2019 22:15:05 No.106746981 Report

Quoted By: >>106747058

>>106746912
>The crows are hardly the same as someone doing blackface though

But the lead crow is just a white dude doing a stereotypcial black voice while singing and jiving, and he's named after a blackface act. They're a reference to blackface. It's very obvious and deliberate.

>One is deliberately doing something to be offense (at least in most cases, there are some where it really isn't)

I'd debate this point. Most blackface routines weren't done to upset black people, but to amuse white ones.

>he other was just a bunch of characters with some mild stereotypical traits who actually ended up breaking a lot of expectations by being probably the only sympathetic characters outside of Dumbo's immediate circle of friends to help him in his time of need

I acknowledged this already as a possible mitigating factor, yes. Thank you for reiterating.

> they're hardly that offensive in this day and age, since hardly any blacks act like that anymore.

Black people no longer get made fun of for talking in an ethnic dialect, wearing different clothing styles whites consider silly or tacky, or get stereotyped as goofy or wacky?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 Mar 2019 22:15:07 No.106746982 Report

Quoted By:

>>106746750
Well said.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 Mar 2019 22:20:33 No.106747058 Report

Quoted By: >>106747304

>>106746981
>But the lead crow is just a white dude doing a stereotypcial black voice while singing and jiving
So? Why is it that a white person can't play a black guy? Sure, he acted somewhat stereotypically, but the character ultimately turned out be much more than just a stereotype.
>I'd debate this point. Most blackface routines weren't done to upset black people, but to amuse white ones.
I meant more like cases where a character paints their face and people think it's got to be blackface. Like that one banned episode of the current Pokémon anime where Ash dresses up like a Pokémon. Yes, they're monkeylike, but that's not really a case of blackface.
>Black people no longer get made fun of for talking in an ethnic dialect, wearing different clothing styles whites consider silly or tacky, or get stereotyped as goofy or wacky?
Not really, no. And in the cases of when they're actions or mannerisms are parodies, it's almost always done by black writers in all-black comedies. So if anyone is making fun of them, it's black people themselves. Even then, so what if they're way of acting is made fun of? EVERYONE gets made fun of. Whites, blacks, Asians, and of course various nationalities.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 Mar 2019 22:22:06 No.106747084 Report

Quoted By: >>106747304

>>106746853
>Offensiveness is always subjective.
True. There doesn't seem to be anything innately offensive about Green Book, but you can see how someone can be pissed about it winning the Oscar, since it's a movie designed to make white people feel better. But despite the intent of the production, the story rings true.

But if you're going to get upset for meta reasons, then you should actually praise Dumbo, because the intent was actually to portray the characters in a positive light. Maybe it was clumsy and maybe it doesn't look good now, but at the time it was progressive.

It seems to me that a modern audience would have to go out of its way to find the crows offensive as opposed to just misguided or quaint. It's not Birth of a Nation here. If anything, it's worth noting how people who were on your team (back when most weren't) handled the situation.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 Mar 2019 22:37:07 No.106747304 Report

Quoted By: >>106747370 >>106748633

>>106747058
>So? Why is it that a white person can't play a black guy?

You're either deliberately missing the point or not really reading very closely at all.

It's not that it's racist for a white dude to play a black dude in animation. That's not what I'm saying. You said:
>crows are hardly the same as someone doing blackface

I pointed out that it is actually a very deliberate reference to a famous blackface act, done in a very similar way (ie. white dude pretends to be stereotypical black dude in over-the-top way).

>And in the cases of when they're actions or mannerisms are parodies, it's almost always done by black writers in all-black comedies.

I'm not talking about mainstream media. I meant just in day-to-day life.

I'm not black, and I'm not offended, but I think it's pretty obvious why some black people get a bit sensitive about being mocked for the way they talk and dress.

If you think they don't get shit for it in Present Year, you obviously haven't been on this site very long, or have never met a casual racist.

>>106747084
Valid points, but I think a lot of people hold it to a higher standard because they think joking about blackface routines and playing with racial stereotypes is something that, if nothing else, shouldn't be in a film for very young children. I could see that.

Kids are impressionable and dumb, and a lot of the time don't get nuance. I knew a kid in elementary and middle school who fucking LOVED South Park, but legit took Cartman's opinion on Jews and such as some sort of gospel to wake up sheeple, rather than an obvious parody of a dumb racist.

I think it's really up to the parents to curate and explain this kind of content, and that it can have its place in media. I'm not a "moral guardian" trying to protect kids' virtue or anything. I just see the argument for why the crows might be (to quote Tumblr) "problematic". It's debatable, but it's not just random or arbitrary, or a kneejerk reaction to a perfect, positive portrayal.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 Mar 2019 22:41:24 No.106747370 Report

Quoted By: >>106747598 >>106747628

>>106747304
>I pointed out that it is actually a very deliberate reference to a famous blackface act, done in a very similar way (ie. white dude pretends to be stereotypical black dude in over-the-top way).
Yea, but it's hardly that offensive now, and even back then it wasn't really that offensive since the crows turned out to be much more than just a stereotype.
>I'm not talking about mainstream media. I meant just in day-to-day life. I'm not black, and I'm not offended, but I think it's pretty obvious why some black people get a bit sensitive about being mocked for the way they talk and dress.If you think they don't get shit for it in Present Year, you obviously haven't been on this site very long, or have never met a casual racist.
Where are they being made fun of? By whom? Again, lots of people are made fun of for all sorts of things, and many people have learned to get used to it. If you're talking about them having shit said about them like "crime this, gangsta that", that's not really the same thing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 Mar 2019 22:52:20 No.106747548 Report

Quoted By:

>>106736887

It would be like if people thought that all Australians/the entirety of Aus culture were Crocodile Dundee/Bogans

The way the crows were portrayed at the time in Dumbo, that was really the ONLY way blacks were portrayed on-screen--as silly incompetent dumbasses--until the late 1960s for the most part

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 Mar 2019 22:55:36 No.106747598 Report

Quoted By: >>106747710

>>106747370
Yea, but it's hardly that offensive now, and even back then it wasn't really that offensive since the crows turned out to be much more than just a stereotype.

If you figure jokes about racial stereotypes and blackface belong in kids' cartoons, more power to you. Many people think of that as a component of an ugly part of history, and as a slight against black people. It's obvious why they think that, even if you disagree.

>Where are they being made fun of? By whom?

The world, by racists mostly.

You've legit never seen or heard a white person make fun of black people? We don't even have that many black folks around where I live, and I still hear people trot out the old stereotypes or talk about black people being stupid, weird, or goofy. I hear the African-American accent and slang being made fun of on the regular, and black fashion trends are usually easy short-hand for someone thuggish or undereducated in the same way Southern "hillbilly" accents and baggy overalls are.

You're either being obtuse or you're just very sheltered and live in a very nice place.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 Mar 2019 22:57:30 No.106747628 Report

Quoted By: >>106747735

>>106747370
>spends time on 4chan
>has never seen black people get made fun of

Hm.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 Mar 2019 22:58:20 No.106747637 Report

Quoted By:

>itt racism is hypocritical

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 Mar 2019 23:02:08 No.106747692 Report

Quoted By:

>>106744363

also neckbeards can be counted as a "white guy" stereotype

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 Mar 2019 23:02:58 No.106747710 Report

Quoted By: >>106748316 >>106748633

>>106747598
>If you figure jokes about racial stereotypes and blackface belong in kids' cartoons, more power to you. Many people think of that as a component of an ugly part of history, and as a slight against black people. It's obvious why they think that, even if you disagree.
Never said anything like that, don't know how you reached such a conclusion.
>The world, by racists mostly. You've legit never seen or heard a white person make fun of black people? We don't even have that many black folks around where I live, and I still hear people trot out the old stereotypes or talk about black people being stupid, weird, or goofy. I hear the African-American accent and slang being made fun of on the regular, and black fashion trends are usually easy short-hand for someone thuggish or undereducated in the same way Southern "hillbilly" accents and baggy overalls are.You're either being obtuse or you're just very sheltered and live in a very nice place.
Then it sounds like YOU happen to live around some shitty people, probably mostly old men and women who just couldn't adapt to the changes in society. Just like how the insane progressives make up a small percentage of the population, there's not really that many racists out there. If someone makes fun of an accent or slang, so the fuck what? Again, all people, their cultures and dialect get poked fun at. It's really not that big of a deal. Sure, it's one thing if a person outright says something actually racist like the n word or considers anyone not born in their country as being uncivilized (and this can and has happened in more than just the US), that might be something to be concerned about. But even then, that really depends on how aggressive they get about it. Are they saying stupid shit? If so, just ignore them and let them act like fools. If they're trying to incite violence, then by all means alert the authorities.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 Mar 2019 23:04:16 No.106747735 Report

Quoted By: >>106748518

>>106747628
Are you retarded? Because 4chan is just ONE site, not the entire fucking internet, much less the world at large.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 Mar 2019 23:05:18 No.106747760 Report

Quoted By:

>>106736008
If it was a racist film, how come Sun Ra covered this song?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bfLpnXQpjvw
checkmate bigots

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 Mar 2019 23:06:29 No.106747782 Report

Quoted By: >>106748746

White people love mayo, white people can't dance, white people can't jump, white people are crazy, white people are can't fuck, white people are timid, white people have baby dicks, white people can't take a joke.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 Mar 2019 23:12:00 No.106747886 Report

Quoted By: >>106748179

I think Paul Mooney put it best:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=raRW_zBz_sM

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 Mar 2019 23:27:46 No.106748179 Report

Quoted By: >>106749244

>>106747886
This ain't nothing I have not already heard back in the 90s. Nigga get new material.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 Mar 2019 23:36:09 No.106748314 Report

Quoted By:

>>106736694
I don't think I've even seen complaints about use of Egyptian iconography or clothes. Always seems to be about what Egyptian people looked like.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 Mar 2019 23:36:11 No.106748316 Report

Quoted By: >>106748468

>>106747710
The upper body strength needed to constantly uproot and move those goalposts is genuinely impressive. In fact, your upper body strength has intimidated me so much that I'm going to just cede the game to you.

Anonymous

View Same Google iqdb SauceNAO Heather seeing casual Silent Hil (...).png, 129KiB, 318x390

Anonymous Sun 31 Mar 2019 23:42:55 No.106748439 Report

Quoted By: >>106748578 >>106748723 >>106748760 >>106748766

People need to stop focusing on the past. Yes, bad shit happened, but what can you do about it? Making certain people apologize isn't going to fix things, nor does trying to destroy/erase iconography that may or may not have ties to darker points in history. Sure, a lot of the confederacy wanted to keep slavery, but it's completely disingenuous and misinformed to act like that was the South's ONLY concern during the civil war. Morgan Freeman made it quite simple; don't think about it. You see a man or women who isn't the same race as you, you just refer to them as a person, not with trepidation and worry about your speech towards them. Will this completely remove stereotypes and racism as a whole? Of course not, but that's just because fear/misunderstanding of others is something that is part of our structure and can only be lessened/removed through experiences with other people. Reminding people about the bad times doesn't do anyone any good, especially if it's rubbed in the 'offender's" face like they're a puppy that has messed on the carpet. If someone does something legitimately ignorant, tell them what they did wrong and show them the right way to act.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 Mar 2019 23:44:26 No.106748468 Report

Quoted By: >>106748720

>>106748316
What goalpost shifts did I do? Goddamn, you must be some sort of troll if you're going to write such a stupid and idiotic post like that.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 Mar 2019 23:47:06 No.106748518 Report

Quoted By: >>106748604

>>106747735
>4chan is just ONE site, not the entire fucking internet
Yet everyone here actively WANTS it to be "the entire fucking internet" so that tumblr and reddit disappear forever.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 Mar 2019 23:50:08 No.106748578 Report

Quoted By:

>>106748439
You're to smart for this site anon. Leave before its to late.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 Mar 2019 23:51:13 No.106748604 Report

Quoted By: >>106748747

>>106748518
I would love those sterile hug boxes to disappear honestly.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 Mar 2019 23:52:44 No.106748633 Report

Quoted By: >>106748815

>>106747304
>...joking about blackface routines and playing with racial stereotypes is something that, if nothing else, shouldn't be in a film for very young children.
That's a fair point. I loved Michigan J. Frog when I was a kid and obviously I had no idea who Al Jolson was or what that all represented. I suppose it's reasonable to deprive future generations of that cartoon...but it's really a great show. Maybe the larger point is that we're still allowed to enjoy these things, but only if we're old (and educated) enough to understand the context. Like, there are some legitimately funny Amos & Andy bits, but you wouldn't want to be caught listening to it without everyone around you knowing the manner in which you're appreciating it, which is not really feasible. So maybe it's not so much of a loss to just let it go.

>>106747710
>there's not really that many racists out there
I think we're back to the definition of "racist" again. There aren't many people gleefully using the n-word, but racism is more than that. Most racists don't think they're racists because they aren't overt...so they a) think you are talking about someone else when you talk about racists and b) are totally offended when someone implies that they might be a racist.

"Racist" is like the n-word for white people, because it's a noun, so it's an attack on your identity. It's interpreted as "you are this thing" and not "your actions and beliefs are a bit off-base".

The only reason this thread is so long is that we don't all agree what the word "racist" means.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 Mar 2019 23:53:48 No.106748651 Report

Quoted By:

>>106736008
They were based on black street culture at the time.

Like in the 90s when you'd have random animals break out into rap or whatever. It's basically the same idea, except guys from the 70s are super embarrassed of black entertainment from the 30s.

It's a generational thing more than anything, I think.

That said >>106736635
is super fucked up.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 Mar 2019 23:56:04 No.106748693 Report

Quoted By:

>>106736635
>The black dudes who voiced the crows weren’t allowed to see the premiere of their own movie.
Now THAT'S racism, not 50% of the shit people whine about today.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 Mar 2019 23:57:09 No.106748720 Report

Quoted By: >>106748887

>>106748468
Started with:
>The crows are hardly the same as someone doing blackface
> they're hardly that offensive in this day and age, since hardly any blacks act like that anymore
> Like that one banned episode of the current Pokémon anime where Ash dresses up like a Pokémon. Yes, they're monkeylike, but that's not really a case of blackface.

A bunch of cases of you claiming that it's okay because it's unintentional, not really anything like blackface, and not done to offend, therefore nobody should be offended. And after all, you explain, nobody is really making fun of black people anymore, anyway! Who's even doing that? Nobody you know of!

Then I went on to explain that it's very obviously a tribute the blackface, right down to being named after a famous blackface routine.

>but it's not LITERALLY a white man in shoe polish makeup, so it's not similar at all

I point out several instances of people mocking black culture and black people in general.

>well I don't PERSONALLY run into that ever, so that means that it must be super rare and therefore doesn't have any bearing on these proceedings. And even if it did, everyone gets deliberately mocked anyway, so deliberate mockery is fine!

So which is it? Are the crows:

A: Not based on blackface and mocking stereotypes of black people

B: Based on blackface and stereotypes, but people shouldn't be offended because that's all in the past now and they didn't MEAN to be offensive

C: Based on blackface and stereotypes, including some which still persist and are used by people to knowingly offend, but it's okay because most people aren't REALLY racist anymore

D: Based on blackface and stereotypes, but EVERYONE gets made fun of for their race, so nobody has any right to be offended anyway

It kind of seems like you'll argue any one of these points, and switch between them as needed, to ensure nobody is allowed to feel differently about fictional cartoon birds than you do.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 Mar 2019 23:57:21 No.106748723 Report

Quoted By:

>>106748439
Some people take the phrase "those who ignore the past are doomed to repeat it" to the extreme, and truly believe that ignoring past "transgressions" means that Jim Crow laws, and eventually slavery, will be made legal again.
Considering how 99.999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999% of anons actually want the above to happen, and for it to be extended to Jews, latinos and LGBTQs, they might have a point.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 Mar 2019 23:58:18 No.106748746 Report

Quoted By:

>>106747782
Hey fuck you pal, we honkeys can take a joke just fine!

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 Mar 2019 23:58:22 No.106748747 Report

Quoted By: >>106749089

>>106748604
So you want the entire Internet to become a Satan worshipping hellmouth? Okay...

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 Mar 2019 23:58:59 No.106748760 Report

Quoted By: >>106748924

>>106748439
>You see a man or women who isn't the same race as you, you just refer to them as a person, not with trepidation and worry about your speech towards them.
That's a reasonable plan for personal interactions, but you can't just say "forget about the past" while it still has an impact on modern society. That is, it's easy to punch someone in the mouth and then shout "Truce!" and think everything is cool. Maybe you're going to be the paragon of virtue for the rest of your life, but you can't expect the other guy to feel warmly towards you because you became a pacifist two seconds after socking him in the puss.

I'm not saying we have to constantly dwell on the past, but it's only beneficial to the party that committed the offense to say "let's just totally forget everything that happened". You can acknowledge a wrong without wallowing in it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 Mar 2019 23:59:21 No.106748766 Report

Quoted By: >>106748976

>>106748439
>If someone does something legitimately ignorant, tell them what they did wrong and show them the right way to act.

Putting references to blackface routines in a kid's movie is ignorant and forces people to confront and think about bad shit from the past, making it harder to ignore/forget it and move on.

There, done.

Anonymous

View Same Google iqdb SauceNAO fritz-the-cat-robert-crumb.jpg, 130KiB, 708x628

Anonymous Sun 31 Mar 2019 23:59:32 No.106748773 Report

Quoted By:

>>106736008
>>>/wsg/2770726

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Apr 2019 00:00:47 No.106748802 Report

Quoted By:

>>106736008
I don't think you're black.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Apr 2019 00:01:26 No.106748815 Report

Quoted By: >>106749080

>>106748633
Racism is simply believing that another race is inferior and treating them as lesser through hateful words and actions. That's it. There's nothing else to it. There is no "institutionalized racism" as some people claim, where there's some horseshit about "power over others" or whatnot, that's just made up nonsense by people who want to blame a system for oppressing them when said system is in no way structured against or even actively capable of oppressing others.
And how are most racists unaware of themselves being racist? If they actually said something racist, I'd think they know what they did unless they're like some really old person who was brought up over stereotypes and thus doesn't realize their own ignorance. Which in that case isn't so much racism, but an ignorant individual who lacks proper understanding. In the case of people who get offended for being called racist, the question comes down to "did they actually do/say something racist". Because you certainly can't just say something is something without backing it up with some kind of evidence, otherwise it's completely reasonable for a person to be upset if they're accused with no basis.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Apr 2019 00:01:45 No.106748822 Report

Quoted By:

>>106736008
>I'm black
same. tbayych
but are you 90 fucking years old?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Apr 2019 00:04:44 No.106748887 Report

Quoted By: >>106748999 >>106749041

>>106748720
That's hardly goalpost shifting, those are different points, but still connected by the same general consensus; that offensive things might not be offensive to everyone.
I'm not switching between anything. You're acting like racism is super rampant when it really isn't, and then making some assumption that I must be sheltered for not seeing it all over the place. That in no way translates to "I don't find the birds offensive, so neither can you".
Get over yourself.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Apr 2019 00:06:22 No.106748924 Report

Quoted By:

>>106748760
Never said forget about everything that happened and act like it never occurred, nobody thinks that way.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Apr 2019 00:06:21 No.106748925 Report

Quoted By:

>>106736008
people who want to play victim just cant let shit go

like that 5 year old kid who painted himself brown so he could be MLK Jr on 'dress up like your hero day' for school. he got slammed for blackface. how many people currently alive have even seen a minstrel show?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Apr 2019 00:07:53 No.106748976 Report

Quoted By: >>106749153

>>106748766
It's a fucking old movie, anon. What the fuck do you want them to do? Go back and redraw the fucking birds into a multiracial collective and redub them? The birds really weren't that offensive even back in the day, and by today's standards are about as offensive as idiotic white kids who try to act black and just look like goofballs.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Apr 2019 00:08:52 No.106748999 Report

Quoted By: >>106749073

>>106748887
>You're acting like racism is super rampant when it really isn't
You are seriously, willfully blind if you can write this without any air of irony.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Apr 2019 00:10:19 No.106749041 Report

Quoted By: >>106749121

>>106748887
>offensive things might not be offensive to everyone
No shit, sherlock.

>I'm not switching between anything

All four of those points are mutually exclusive. It can't simultaneously have no resemblance to balckface AND obviously and deliberately based on blackface. Stereotypes can't simultaneously be all in the past AND still used in the present. Racism can't simultaneously be a fringe thing WHILE everyone is constantly getting made fun of anyway.

>That in no way translates to "I don't find the birds offensive, so neither can you".

"People are unbothered because it's not really that bothersome. Anyone being offended by it now is either thin-skinned, or really stupid. It's just silly to be annoyed with it," says you. I guess that isn't the same as saying nobody CAN be offended. It's just saying that, to be offended, they must be silly, dumb, thin-skinned, or otherwise inferior and wrong in this regard.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Apr 2019 00:11:43 No.106749073 Report

Quoted By: >>106749096

>>106748999
Ok, where is the rampant racism? Go on, show me where. Because there's more to what's going on in the world than just race shit. The Border problem? It's not just about the race of the people from across, you know.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Apr 2019 00:11:56 No.106749080 Report

Quoted By: >>106749179

>>106748815
>There is no "institutionalized racism" as some people claim
This is just silly. There are piles of stats of about anything from getting a loan to hailing a cab to baseline beliefs about what a "normal" person is.

>And how are most racists unaware of themselves being racist?
Because they think of a racist as a caricature or straw man racist who burns crosses and throws around the n-word. This is pretty much everyone in my family. But they will say things like "he must have gotten money somehow" when they see a rich black person, which they would never say if they saw a rich white person. It doesn't come from a place of malice, but it's also not people just treating people without preconceived notions. There was just "something" about Obama they didn't like, but they couldn't put their finger on it. They don't know what's affecting their beliefs because they don't want to think about them. It doesn't mean they're terrible people to the core, but it does mean they lack self-awareness. Everyone one of them would lock their car doors or move to the other side of the street if they saw a black guy in a hoodie, but none of them would consider those actions racist because they truly believe they would do the same if they saw a white guy in a hoodie (although that's not true).

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Apr 2019 00:12:38 No.106749089 Report

Quoted By: >>106749150

>>106748747
Your post represents everything wrong with normalfag mentality on the internet.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Apr 2019 00:12:42 No.106749090 Report

Quoted By:

>voiced by white actor
>can't speak correctly
>Jim Crow
Honestly IMHO it's a mixed bag. There are certainly very racist elements to them, but at the same time, they're basically the best characters in the film in terms of their treatment of Dumbo and their role within the story.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Apr 2019 00:12:54 No.106749096 Report

Quoted By: >>106749200

>>106749073
>Ok, where is the rampant racism?
He said. On 4chan.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Apr 2019 00:14:35 No.106749121 Report

Quoted By: >>106749182

>>106749041
>I guess that isn't the same as saying nobody CAN be offended. It's just saying that, to be offended, they must be silly, dumb, thin-skinned, or otherwise inferior and wrong in this regard.
Yes, because the birds really aren't that offensive by today's standards. You do fucking know that standards change over time, right? They might have been offensive to some back when the movie came out, but today they're just a dead stereotype that nobody portrays anymore, much less finds offensive since loads of people, even in this very thread, have pointed out were pretty progressive considering how helpful they were towards Dumbo in his hour of need.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Apr 2019 00:16:02 No.106749150 Report

Quoted By:

>>106749089
So, you DO want to openly speak your hatred for blacks/Jews/spics/gays/whatever without consequences, and have everyone agree with you. Okay...

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Apr 2019 00:16:07 No.106749153 Report

Quoted By: >>106749290

>>106748976
Nope. Just don't put them in remakes, and maybe don't continue to re-release it and market it to children.

But I don't really care. Parents should be in charge of filtering media for their kids, or explaining context. Maybe parents should just not make it routine, commentary-free viewing for very young, impressionable kids?

Lots of options, really, including--I guess--the one you sarcastically proposed.

I'm just saying: you can't simultaneously say "People need to stop focusing on the past" while dredging up that same past and putting it on display. "Yes, bad shit happened, but what can you do about it?" can easily be answered in this instance with "stop airing and re-releasing cartoons with minstrel show references to selll to kids".

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Apr 2019 00:16:09 No.106749154 Report

Quoted By:

>>106736008

Im not black myself, but I believe the core of the problem is the fact that it's black people being caricatured as crows. It's an old type caricature in cartoons that lasted well into the 70s.

Crows are mischivous, theiving pests that steal from farms, and cause damage to crops. This is also how white people stereotyped black people in the past. Naming the charachter Jim Crow on top of that is just insult to injury,

Beyond that, most of the other potentially racist stuff (like their jazzy, zooty behavior) is fairly easily handwaved away by the fact that is was just the cultural style of the time for black people (and some white people as well).

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Apr 2019 00:17:36 No.106749179 Report

Quoted By: >>106749215 >>106749356

>>106749080
>There are piles of stats of about anything from getting a loan to hailing a cab to baseline beliefs about what a "normal" person is.
That doesn't mean there's some evil conspiracy out there to keep blacks and other minorities from achieving things. Don't be dense.
>This is pretty much everyone in my family. But they will say things like "he must have gotten money somehow" when they see a rich black person, which they would never say if they saw a rich white person.
That's extremely anecdotal, and hardly means that racism is somehow rampant amongst whites or the world at large.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Apr 2019 00:17:40 No.106749182 Report

Quoted By: >>106749328

>>106749121
That kind of seems like it might, in some way, translate to "I don't find the birds offensive, so neither can you".

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Apr 2019 00:18:20 No.106749194 Report

Quoted By: >>106749331

>>106736008
They're black stereotypes because they do things black people do, such as singing in a style of music white people don't sing and not talking like white people. Nowadays all black stereotypes have to be just like white people so they don't come across as uneducated by white people's standards.

That's why Tom and Jerry's own is now white since you can't show a mammy type character, even though she owns a huge house and is clearly in charge.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrLPE7ZAcYA

Also does anyone whose black find these depictions of crows offensive?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKFuBOuxUgk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-P6PeXK0zmg

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Apr 2019 00:18:38 No.106749200 Report

Quoted By: >>106749235 >>106749474

>>106749096
>a place where people joke about fucking underage cartoon girls
>being taken remotely seriously
Hi, you must be new here...

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Apr 2019 00:19:28 No.106749215 Report

Quoted By: >>106749312

>>106749179
Institutional racism is not an evil conspiracy, m8.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Apr 2019 00:20:02 No.106749235 Report

Quoted By: >>106749351

>>106749200
>thinks there aren't people of 4chan who want to fuck underage girls
>thinks /pol/ is satire

I want to protect your innocence.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Apr 2019 00:20:34 No.106749244 Report

Quoted By:

>>106748179
Paul Mooney's been doing comedy since the 70s.
Doesn't really defeat his point.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Apr 2019 00:22:17 No.106749280 Report

Quoted By:

>>106736635
Same thing with Uncle Remus in Song of the South.

Also the head one is voiced by a white guy, same dude who voices the mouse iirc. So the one with the most speaking lines is basically white.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Apr 2019 00:22:42 No.106749290 Report

Quoted By: >>106749429

>>106749153
That's just fucking stupid. If they are in the remake, they're probably going to be more diverse anyway, so that's a nonissue. And to say never to release the movie anymore is just fucking idiotic. You make sound as though children are so sensitive that if they saw these birds they'd immediately start acting like idiots. And sure, maybe SOME would, but hardly every single little kid who might watch the original film. Even then, their future actions are the responsibilities of the parents, who one would expect to say "That's not how black people act today, so don't emulate such behavior."
>I'm just saying: you can't simultaneously say "People need to stop focusing on the past" while dredging up that same past and putting it on display.
Except you can, and should because you can teach people how not to make the mistakes of the past. You want to just bury it and act like it no longer exists, and that's just fucking goddamn stupid as hell.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Apr 2019 00:23:44 No.106749312 Report

Quoted By:

>>106749215
It literally is, because it doesn't exist. Racism has never had anything to do with power structure, ever.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Apr 2019 00:24:45 No.106749328 Report

Quoted By: >>106749429

>>106749182
It really doesn't.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Apr 2019 00:24:56 No.106749331 Report

Quoted By:

>>106749194
The Nine Lives of Fritz the Cat literally has a whole segment where the Crows all move to New Africa. Fritz visits, and comments on how black girls "know where it's at when they're 12" as he intently watches a young black/crow girl cross the street in fairly revealing clothes.

Me and a couple black friends of mine watched it on one of our drunken bad movie nights, and they were fairly chapped.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Apr 2019 00:26:01 No.106749351 Report

Quoted By: >>106749453

>>106749235
>>thinks /pol/ is satire
Good job putting words in my mouth, dipshit. Again, nobody takes this shithole seriously.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Apr 2019 00:26:01 No.106749352 Report

Quoted By:

>>106736632

Only one was white. The other voice actors were black, the most famous of whom was composer Hall Johnson. Johnson also wrote the song "When I See An Elephant Fly."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hall_Johnson

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Apr 2019 00:26:19 No.106749356 Report

Quoted By: >>106749526

>>106749179
>>There are piles of stats of about anything from getting a loan to hailing a cab to baseline beliefs about what a "normal" person is.
>That doesn't mean there's some evil conspiracy out there to keep blacks and other minorities from achieving things. Don't be dense.
Institutional racism isn't ABOUT a conspiracy. It's not about assigning blame. It exists, for the most part anyway, without anyone encouraging it or doing it on purpose. It's just the irrefutable current state of things.

>>106749179
>That's extremely anecdotal, and hardly means that racism is somehow rampant amongst whites or the world at large.
My family's stories are anecdotal, but what isn't is the studies that show how, for example, blacks are consistently at a disadvantage, all other things being equal.

I don't have stats on racists who don't think they are racists, but it's incredibly common behavior. Every time makes a point of saying a black politician is "articulate", for example. Or like when Joe Biden said Obama was "clean". He didn't mean anything negative by it, in fact he was trying to convey a positive, but the only reason he would even think to say that is because he was brought up with racist beliefs. They're just woven into his fabric. It doesn't mean he's a bad person, but that was quite obviously a racist statement.

The problem is when you want to convert "you sad something racist" to "you ARE a racist". Because while you might thoughtfully consider the first, you feel personally attacked by the second, and you aren't going to think logically about anything once name calling has started.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Apr 2019 00:30:51 No.106749429 Report

Quoted By: >>106749616

>>106749328
Oh, so I can find them offensive, and otehr people can, and it's completely okay to be offended by them and make decisions about broadcasting, rereleasing, or viewing the film accordingly?

Noted. Discussion's over, I guess.

>>106749290
So it's stupid to:

>bury the past
>focus on the past
>acknowledge that things in the past are no longer appropriate
>wait until children are older to expose them to inappropriate things from the past

Got it. Very consistent philosophy.

>Even then, their future actions are the responsibilities of the parents, who one would expect to say "That's not how black people act today, so don't emulate such behavior."
>But I don't really care. Parents should be in charge of filtering media for their kids, or explaining context.

Yes, that was literally an option presented in the post you were replying to and calling stupid.

You aren't very bright.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Apr 2019 00:31:53 No.106749453 Report

Quoted By: >>106749640

>>106749351
>nobody takes 4chan seriously
>/pol/ is serious

Pick one.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Apr 2019 00:32:37 No.106749474 Report

Quoted By: >>106749640

>>106749200
>joke
One of us is.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Apr 2019 00:35:09 No.106749526 Report

Quoted By: >>106749665 >>106750486

>>106749356
>It exists, for the most part anyway, without anyone encouraging it or doing it on purpose. It's just the irrefutable current state of things.
No, it doesn't. For something to be institutionalized, it has to be actively implemented, you can't have an institutionalized anything that just occurs without some people putting it into place.
>but what isn't is the studies that show how, for example, blacks are consistently at a disadvantage, all other things being equal.
What studies? Where are they? You can't just say it's there and expect people to take that as proof. Do you also believe in the wage gap? Because that as well have been proven to be false and nonexistent. Blacks are equal, and can achieve anything whites, Hispanics, and whatever else color there is can. Likewise, women are paid equally, but, if they have families, they likely suffer some loss in payment because they are more likely to take time off to tend to their children.

As for the whole thing about "saying something racist" and a person feeling they were called racist, again, you have to give the person reasoning and not just "You said something offensive, you're racist". It isn't that simple.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Apr 2019 00:38:50 No.106749616 Report

Quoted By: >>106749705

>>106749429
You can offended all you like, though it'd be rather silly when there are far worse examples out there. As for deciding the broadcast of such things, no, that's not up to you. That's the decision of the people who own the product.
>Even then, their future actions are the responsibilities of the parents, who one would expect to say "That's not how black people act today, so don't emulate such behavior."
>But I don't really care. Parents should be in charge of filtering media for their kids, or explaining context.
I didn't call that stupid, moron. But hey, just put words in my mouth and make it sound like I'm being inconsistent when I'm not.

Anonymous

View Same Google iqdb SauceNAO (You).png, 350KiB, 519x522

Anonymous Mon 01 Apr 2019 00:39:53 No.106749640 Report

Quoted By: >>106749724

>>106749453
>>106749474
Hi, samefag. Here's your (You) ya dropped.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Apr 2019 00:41:19 No.106749665 Report

Quoted By: >>106749752

>>106749526
>No, it doesn't. For something to be institutionalized, it has to be actively implemented, you can't have an institutionalized anything that just occurs without some people putting it into place
I don't think you understand the concept you're criticizing.

The premise of "institutional racism" as a concept--whether you agree with it or not--is that preexisting conditions (such as race-wealth correlations, geographical residency patterns, relative opportunities to network with influential people, etc.) combine to put some demographic groups at an advantage relative to otehr demographic groups, on average.

>What studies? Where are they?

You realize you are typing on a device that can literally present you with access to this information with a few finger-taps, right?

> for the whole thing about "saying something racist" and a person feeling they were called racist, again, you have to give the person reasoning and not just "You said something offensive, you're racist". It isn't that simple.

That's what the anon you're replying to said, yes.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Apr 2019 00:43:20 No.106749705 Report

Quoted By: >>106749795

>>106749616
>As for deciding the broadcast of such things, no, that's not up to you. That's the decision of the people who own the product
Well, since they're allowed to be offended, or to cater to a market that includes offended people, I guess they'll make their decisions about broadcasts and releases accordingly, won't they?

And then you, hypocrite and whiny pissbaby that you are, will bitch about historical revisionism.

>That's just fucking stupid.
>I didn't call that stupid, moron.

You make this too easy.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Apr 2019 00:44:21 No.106749724 Report

Quoted By: >>106749828

>>106749640
Imagine being so up your own ass you can't imagine two people on the internet disagreeing with you.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Apr 2019 00:45:37 No.106749752 Report

Quoted By: >>106749792

>>106749665
Righty, you don't want to provide examples of your claims and just expect people to look it up for themselves. You really don't know how discussion works, do you? When you claim something is proven in studies, you have to back it up with evidence, otherwise people can just dismiss it as bullshit conspiracies, such as "institutional racism" which is just some boogeyman term made up by people who think they're being oppressed when they really aren't. There is certainly still legit racism like whites (and others ethnicities) who hate blacks and/or other minorities, but there is no societal structure that is actively keeping people of certain skin colors away from being able to become successful and rich.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Apr 2019 00:45:49 No.106749757 Report

Quoted By:

Poorly veiled bait thread #30286230689320 shenanigans aside, these motherfuckers were great. Loved their designs too.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Apr 2019 00:46:28 No.106749770 Report

Quoted By:

>>106742698
Fun fact: according to PBS' history of circuses white labourers wouldn't work with black labourers, so the crew was either all white or all black.

It also features a section about a baby elephant that was born into a circus and was in all the papers thanks to Barnam's PR stunt.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Apr 2019 00:47:27 No.106749792 Report

Quoted By:

>>106749752
http://health-equity.lib.umd.edu/4120/1/racialwealthgapbrief.pdf

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Apr 2019 00:47:34 No.106749795 Report

Quoted By: >>106749878 >>106749949

>>106749705
The only pissbaby is you because you clearly seem to hate the film and don't want it aired, when that's in no way your decision to make. Hell, you're proving my point about people who take offense to this crap as "thin-skinned". But hey, fine, whatever. Just spout more shit in my face and act like I'M the one who's wrong and "hypocritical".
Moron.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Apr 2019 00:48:59 No.106749824 Report

Quoted By:

>>106742615
> How many pieces of art and entertainment depicting bestiality, incest, rape, cannibalism, racism, fratricide, and genocide are going on the chopping block?

I mean, they'll probably tone down or remove those elements in adaptations for children.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Apr 2019 00:49:05 No.106749828 Report

Quoted By: >>106749949

>>106749724
Sure thing, retard. Suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuure

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Apr 2019 00:51:28 No.106749878 Report

Quoted By:

>>106749795
I think Dumbo is boring and I don't care if it's aired or not. I'm not even offended by the crows. I just think you're a fool, because you seemingly don't see how they COULD offend anyone, when it's patently obvious.

But you're right: I am not in fact a major stakeholder in a multimedia conglomerate. You got me. You win. Good game.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Apr 2019 00:54:49 No.106749949 Report

Quoted By:

>>106749795
>>106749828
>NO U
>retard
>Moron
>victim complex
>bad grammar
>thinks sketchy 4chan users are joking when they talk about racist beliefs or being attracted to kids

Confirmed for underage and new.

Anonymous

View Same Google iqdb SauceNAO trollface.png, 111KiB, 991x806

Anonymous Mon 01 Apr 2019 00:56:22 No.106749980 Report

Quoted By: >>106750004 >>106750032

Time to confess ! I'm the OP, and I don't have a single drop of black in me . I'm a blonde, blue-eyed white Anglo-Saxon Protestant .

But I know how much topics on race (and sex , and politics , etc.) gets /co/ riled up, so I was hoping you'd give me a few hours of lulz .

Mission accomplished . Thanks, suckers !!

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Apr 2019 00:57:33 No.106750004 Report

Quoted By:

>>106749980
We already knew.

Anonymous

View Same Google iqdb SauceNAO Larxene (You).png, 2MiB, 1920x1080

Anonymous Mon 01 Apr 2019 00:58:21 No.106750019 Report

Quoted By: >>106750146

106749949 (You)
Right back at you, kiddo.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Apr 2019 00:58:56 No.106750032 Report

Quoted By:

>>106749980
We assume all posts are role plays but that’s doesn’t stop us from having a conversation.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Apr 2019 01:01:23 No.106750086 Report

Quoted By:

>>106742401
by "richer white guy" I hope you know that they are not 'white' but Jewish. It's like 99% of the 1% are jewish.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Apr 2019 01:04:04 No.106750146 Report

Quoted By:

>>106750019
A clever rebuttal, hampered only slightly by the fact that your jimmies are too rustled to actually properly reply to posts.

Presumably because you're not used to actual debate?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Apr 2019 01:05:06 No.106750176 Report

Quoted By:

>>106740638
fuckin hell imagine ghetto kids fucking racing their flying elephants

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Apr 2019 01:06:11 No.106750194 Report

Quoted By:

>>106742719
Some are. You realize black people aren't a monolith, right?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Apr 2019 01:21:58 No.106750486 Report

Quoted By: >>106750528

>>106749526
>No, it doesn't. For something to be institutionalized, it has to be actively implemented, you can't have an institutionalized anything that just occurs without some people putting it into place.
Right, but even if we just pretend all legitimately malice-based discrimination never existed or doesn't exist now, that doesn't mean that a given institution can't unfairly favor one group or another, particularly if the institution was created by one of the groups affected.

But that's just the general state of things. In the specific instance of institutionalized racism, you don't seem to believe in it because you're misinterpreting the meaning of the term. To be lazy and grab a short version from wikipedia:

"The collective failure of an organization to provide an appropriate and professional service to people because of their colour, culture, or ethnic origin. It can be seen or detected in processes, attitudes and behaviour which amount to discrimination through unwitting prejudice, ignorance, thoughtlessness and racist stereotyping which disadvantage minority ethnic people."

Note the word "unwitting". You don't have to be doing it on purpose for it to be real and have a significant impact. Institutional racism isn't about a bunch of evil white folks wringing their hands in their secret supervillain lair, looking for new ways to keep a brother down.

As for the studies themselves, one's been posted, but I'm not going to go down that road, because we'll just get into Flat Earth territory. The peer-reviewed studies all say one thing, but you don't have look too hard to find contrarian explanations that will sound good to you and allow you to ignore the mountain of legit data.

That's a reasonable reaction, no one wants to be found guilty for a system they benefit from but had no part in creating and no one wants to think of themselves as a bad person.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Apr 2019 01:23:35 No.106750528 Report

Quoted By:

>>106750486
Also, to be clear, we're not in snowflake territory here, where people claim racism due to "microaggressions" and other hyper-sensitive bullshit. These are significant disadvantages that they have to deal with in every stage of their life, which can be measured quantitatively. I think PC culture has gone too far, personally, but that doesn't mean there isn't an inherent bias in the system that we need to figure out how to address, preferably without assigning blame.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Apr 2019 01:24:42 No.106750562 Report

Quoted By: >>106751765

Long story short, any person of any race would be mortified if their child was acting like crows on public.

That's why they're a social pariah

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Apr 2019 02:17:45 No.106751523 Report

Quoted By:

106750146
>lol, u mad?
Good one, kiddo. Real original. I'd give it an upboat, but you know where we are :)

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Apr 2019 02:32:22 No.106751765 Report

Quoted By:

>>106750562
Well that goes without saying that people would be shocked if they're kids were running around without pants, taking shit and shitting on people from telephone wires.
'Cept maybe India.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Apr 2019 02:39:14 No.106751881 Report

Quoted By:

>>106736008
It’s because they’re caricatures of the old Timey black stereotypes.

Capcode	All Only User Posts Only Moderator Posts Only Admin Posts Only Developer Posts
Show Posts	All Only With Images Only Without Images
Deleted Posts	All Only Deleted Posts Only Non-Deleted Posts
Ghost Posts	All Only Ghost Posts Only Non-Ghost Posts
Post Type	All Only Sticky Threads Only Opening Posts Only Reply Posts
Results	All Grouped By Threads
Order	Latest Posts First Oldest Posts First

Your latest searches