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Anonymous Wed 13 Mar 04:21:54 2019 No.106404821 View Reply Original Report

What's your opinion on quipping, not just in the mcu, in media in general

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Mar 2019 04:24:12 No.106404853 Report

Quoted By: >>106405190 >>106406032 >>106408106

>>106404821
In a non-serious fight it's fine, but not after something heavy. Since you used Cap we'll use him as an example. Just beat Batroc The Leaper? Quip away, you and Bucky beat down Tony and leave him lying there, no quips.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Mar 2019 04:24:41 No.106404862 Report

Quoted By: >>106413617

quippy characters should quip and quips have been a huge part of cape comics since the golden age.
Moviefaggots should be gassed.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Mar 2019 04:25:12 No.106404871 Report

Quoted By: >>106404986

>>106404821
Scarlett should have been naked since Iron Man 2

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Mar 2019 04:26:41 No.106404889 Report

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>>106404821
I'd rather take than then the awful "Improv to stumble into a funny line" so many other films do.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Mar 2019 04:26:51 No.106404893 Report

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>>106404821
Fine in moderation.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Mar 2019 04:27:30 No.106404904 Report

Quoted By: >>106406000

I hate it for the most part. You can have funny moments but dont turn large portions of the movie into a stand up routine.

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Anonymous Wed 13 Mar 2019 04:28:01 No.106404909 Report

Quoted By: >>106406120

Quipping can be good when it's written well like pic related, but man when it's bad it's really fucking bad

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Mar 2019 04:28:16 No.106404914 Report

Quoted By: >>106404927 >>106405067

not funny at all. superheroes arent comedians and shouldnt be funny

no fun allowed goddammit

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Mar 2019 04:28:16 No.106404915 Report

Quoted By: >>106405044

>>106404821
Should be done moderately, if every fight had quips, they wouldn’t feel special

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Mar 2019 04:28:23 No.106404918 Report

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>>106404821
I hate how prevalent it's become. I blame the MCU for popularizing it. Now it seems like every major movie is full of quips. Even in scenes that should be serious, somber, or sad, characters quip and it just completely takes me out of it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Mar 2019 04:29:03 No.106404925 Report

Quoted By: >>106405109 >>106415355

Speaking from an unfortunate amount of experience, trying to piss someone off as much as possible in a fight is effective at getting them to do stupid shit.

Quipping is both realistic and practical...as long as the person being quipped at is such a massive threat that any technique to get the slightest advantage would come into play or they haven't done anything too heinous where the hero should just be trying to pull their spine out through their navel instead of chatting them up.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Mar 2019 04:29:18 No.106404927 Report

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>>106404914
Nerd

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Mar 2019 04:32:21 No.106404964 Report

Quoted By: >>106406928

>>106404821
The fact that a nudist plays Black Widow is hillarious

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Mar 2019 04:34:06 No.106404986 Report

Quoted By: >>106405211

>>106404871
Her body isn't that great anymore.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Mar 2019 04:39:07 No.106405044 Report

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>>106404915
Quips are just one-liners for heroes who aren't trying to be edgy.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Mar 2019 04:40:45 No.106405067 Report

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>>106404914
Quips are just one-liners for heroes who aren't trying to be edgy.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Mar 2019 04:44:41 No.106405109 Report

Quoted By: >>106408888

>>106404925
>Quipping is both realistic and practical
Hey faggot, nice sh-
Gets punched in the face

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Mar 2019 04:46:03 No.106405125 Report

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Not every one in the universe should quip. Those that do quip should have a reason for doing it. In Ben 10 and Generator Rex those 2 quip because they are scared deep down and joke around to keep the situation light. I liked that and would like to see more of it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Mar 2019 04:47:33 No.106405137 Report

Quoted By: >>106408239

>>106404821
When everybody’s trying to be Spider-Man, then nobody is.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Mar 2019 04:52:06 No.106405190 Report

Quoted By: >>106407299

>>106404853
This. Quibing is fine just so long as it doesn't undercut the mood the scene or a character's competency.

To contrast this, Poe quibing to Kylo on top of the mountain of villages corpses the First Order just slaughtered in TFA is how you don't do quibbing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Mar 2019 04:54:19 No.106405211 Report

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>>106404986
Speak for yourself

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Mar 2019 06:07:05 No.106406000 Report

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>>106404904
>dont turn large portions of the movie into a stand up routine.
Why?

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Anonymous Wed 13 Mar 2019 06:10:13 No.106406031 Report

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>>106404821
The thing I remember not liking about the MCU quips is that they were too same-y, and instead of the characters making jokes it felt like the writer making jokes — if you can make sense of what I mean there.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Mar 2019 06:10:22 No.106406032 Report

Quoted By: >>106406287

>>106404821
>>106404853
This. Quipping has only be really been bad under whedon's watch and Dr. Strange

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Mar 2019 06:14:15 No.106406074 Report

Quoted By: >>106407299 >>106407906

>>106404821
The kind of people who get mad at quips come off as really autistic. It's jokes. If you're getting pissy at jokes in a silly superhero movie, maybe you have a brain problem.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Mar 2019 06:14:34 No.106406077 Report

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There are times when there should be no quipping.

That being said, when two people in multicolored outfits fight a villain that dresses up in an animal costume, you can't go through that scene straight and have it be authentic. A normal person would not be able to contain their comments fighting The Kangarou.

BvS had Superman in his blue pajamas facing off with Batman with this iddy biddy bat ears on his head. And no one said a goddamn thing.

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Anonymous Wed 13 Mar 2019 06:18:37 No.106406104 Report

Quoted By: >>106406139

>>106404821
unironically what made the movies successful.

you have to relieve the tension of a scene with a quick joke because being miserable and dark will exhaust the audience.

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Anonymous Wed 13 Mar 2019 06:20:02 No.106406120 Report

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>>106404909
Nice chicken

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Mar 2019 06:21:01 No.106406126 Report

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>>106404821
It can work when written and executed properly.

The MCU is fucking awful at it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Mar 2019 06:22:25 No.106406139 Report

Quoted By: >>106406300 >>106406377 >>106412705

>>106406104
there are good quips
("LANGUAGE!")
and there are bad quips
("The damage is not too bad. As long as the foundations are still strong, we can rebuild this place. [Asgard explodes] Now those foundations are gone. Sorry.")

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Mar 2019 06:38:37 No.106406287 Report

Quoted By: >>106408080

>>106406032
I feel it was at it's worst in GOTG2

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Mar 2019 06:40:05 No.106406300 Report

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>>106406139
But language was a shit quip. Cap's a world war 2 soldier not your grandma

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Mar 2019 06:49:04 No.106406377 Report

Quoted By: >>106406412 >>106414116

>>106406139
These are both shit quips.

As everyone is saying, quips are great in moderation and pretty awful any way else. As for the MCU, thess movies are not nearly as quippy as a lot of people try to say they are. The Avengers and the entirety of Phase 2 was pretty quippy, but that was the aftermath of Joss Whedon setting the MCU’s whole tone after 2012.

Cap’s trilogy is decidedly unquippy (which makes the Language! quip so fucking jarring). Thor’s first two movies are light on quips. Black Panther had a lot of meta humor but wasn’t very quippy. Infinity War wasn’t quippy.

It seems like the only heroes that really quip as much a /co/ seems to think are Spider-Man, Stark, and the Guardians. Even Strange’s quips come off as less humorous and more, well, strange.

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Anonymous Wed 13 Mar 2019 06:53:15 No.106406412 Report

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>>106406377
>Infinity War wasn't quippy.
there was 20 quips every minute for most of the film

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Mar 2019 07:56:42 No.106406928 Report

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>>106404964
>nudist
Wait, what?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Mar 2019 08:21:45 No.106407191 Report

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Quipping is infinitely inferior to dry/dark humor that relies on physical action.

Watching an old Jackie Chan fight actually makes the fight scenes a spectacle rather than the chore of having to watch the collection of contact moments in a capeshit fight scene.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Mar 2019 08:27:36 No.106407225 Report

Quoted By: >>106407331 >>106416037

>>106404821
A little sugar makes the medicine go down.

Most of the MCU employs humor to endear the characters or make the audience buy ridiculous premises. It's only when it's employed in dire moments that it becomes a problem.

That last Thor movie kinda flipflopped hard between comedy and tragedy. But then again, that's kinda Taika Waititi's thing. It kinda works when you consider it one of Thor's coping mechanisms. But that'd never work in something more grounded like a Cap movie.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Mar 2019 08:37:18 No.106407292 Report

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>>106404821
Quipping is fine so long as it's measured and tone appropriate. I did appreciate that Killmonger wasn't a quipper.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Mar 2019 08:39:50 No.106407299 Report

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>>106406074
I do agree that some people get excessively into their complaints about 'quipping' in the MCU, especially when they start to use it as cudgel over any effort to insert humor in, for example, the DC films, or elsewhere.

The Poe example here >>106405190 is a good one, but humor in films, whether we're talking superhero or not, isn't an MCU thing and there's nothing wrong with it, but it doesn't need to be done to excess either - the problem with RDJ (and partially due to modern culture) is that snark has replaced actual humor or wit (just use a cutesy nickname like capsicle and that will do for actual humor).

If the humor is good and makes sense and is appropriate to where it falls on the story, then there's ABSOLUTELY nothing wrong with it, but that's not the case a great chunk of the time, but you can apply that to any number of films, no where near all of them by Disney or Warners.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Mar 2019 08:41:50 No.106407313 Report

Quoted By: >>106407367

>>106404821
Is Winter Soldier the Marvel movie with less quips?

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Anonymous Wed 13 Mar 2019 08:44:45 No.106407331 Report

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>>106407225
>It kinda works when you consider it one of Thor's coping mechanisms
>this anon recognizes that the comedic tone of Ragnorak is a parallel to Thor's greatest character flaw

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Mar 2019 08:52:10 No.106407367 Report

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>>106407313
Thor 2 could've used some quips

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Mar 2019 08:54:27 No.106407382 Report

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>>106404821
As long as it's not excessive Joss Whedon talk or Gilmore Girls tier and here's an example of what I mean.
>https://youtu.be/Q3P9w28pM1M?t=8
I am OK with it.

Characters who are excessively witty or quippy or being too self aware comes off as tryhard sometimes and it's annoying. Worst is when people IRL try to talk like they are in a Joss Whedon show.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Mar 2019 09:07:13 No.106407437 Report

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>>106404821
a nudist plays Black Widow

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Mar 2019 09:10:38 No.106407457 Report

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It was terrible in his MCU movies and slightly less terrible in Buffy (since at least sarcastic teenagers are already like that). Don't know who the fuck told Joss Whedon he's funny.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Mar 2019 09:12:56 No.106407473 Report

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>>106404821
I miss when it was a rarity during action sequences because back then it was moderately funny, especially when it was super serious characters doing it, but now it's become the norm to be quippy instead of serious during fights and I hate it. The MCU uses quippery so poorly because there's a huge lack of straight men.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Mar 2019 10:27:37 No.106407906 Report

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>>106406074

and heres the problem, jokes make the movie come off as 'just a silly superhero movie'

marvel is fine but any gravitas they could have is pissed away by poorly written pop culture jokes

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Mar 2019 10:55:38 No.106408080 Report

Quoted By: >>106408121 >>106415861

>>106406287
Nah the worst is Thor3.
GOTG2 kept making jokes but it never stopped a moment just to have a joke. Meanwhile what felt like half of Thor3's humor was "we interrupt this moment to have a pratfall of a mistake by one of our heroes. Let us stop what we're doing to look at that character and have an awkward pause for laughs."

Valkerie's introduction where she drunkenly falls off her ship, Thor tied up in chains and slowly constantly spinning, Thor tossing a rock against glass after a big speech and the rock bouncing back into his face, Bruce jumping down to transform into Hulk for battle and landing on the ground passed out, etc.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Mar 2019 10:58:21 No.106408106 Report

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It's fine, just needs the right execution as >>106404853 said

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Mar 2019 11:00:34 No.106408121 Report

Quoted By: >>106408151

>>106408080
>Valkerie's introduction where she drunkenly falls off her ship,
But that part is amazing

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Mar 2019 11:01:51 No.106408129 Report

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I only really found it bad in GOTG2 and Doctor Strange. The former lingered too long on it and the latter didn't feel like it needed it and used it as a crutch.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Mar 2019 11:06:18 No.106408151 Report

Quoted By: >>106408920 >>106409076

>>106408121
The others were worse, but it didn't help when it came to adding to the number of times they did it.
I mean you got a movie titled Ragnarok, dealing with the Goddess of Death and a Thor all defeated after losing his father and his hammer, and they kill every tense moment with a joke.

They had a big action packed space fantasy ready but instead wanted to make it GOTG but with a terrible style of comedic timing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Mar 2019 11:09:35 No.106408177 Report

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I don't hate fun

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Mar 2019 11:20:46 No.106408239 Report

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>>106405137
/thread

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Mar 2019 12:09:42 No.106408507 Report

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Quipping pretty much ruined Spider-Man. Reals fans know what I'm talking about.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Mar 2019 12:32:28 No.106408652 Report

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>>106404821
I like it when it doesn't interrupt things that should be serious or cool on their own. Thats why my least favorite bit in Infinity War is when Banner interrupts Thor's appearance with a jeer.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Mar 2019 13:13:52 No.106408888 Report

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>>106405109
>Gets punched in the face
>dodge
>cross counter
Exactly. Angry people tend to through incredibly telegraphed haymakers at the face. Makes fighting easy as shit as long as you keep your guard up.

You want your opponent to have tunnel vision.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Mar 2019 13:18:27 No.106408920 Report

Quoted By: >>106409076

>>106408151
What’s worse is that they released concept art and scenes that made Ragnarok feel...well like Ragnarok.

That was until they got a comedy director who is basically “what’s happening fellow children?”

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Mar 2019 13:35:14 No.106409076 Report

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>>106408151
>>106408920
You can't deny it worked compared to how they were handling Thor before.

Went from "that hammer guy" to "Strongest Avenger everybody loves"

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Mar 2019 16:03:26 No.106411037 Report

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Bump

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Anonymous Wed 13 Mar 2019 16:09:35 No.106411114 Report

Quoted By: >>106412501

>>106404821

Hollywood films used to be all quips and banter all the time.

I have no problem with the modern version.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Mar 2019 16:10:53 No.106411132 Report

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>>106404821
It's a sign the writer is a hack and that the intended audience is braindead children

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Mar 2019 17:54:39 No.106412501 Report

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>>106411114
Philadelphia Story was a comedy.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Mar 2019 18:07:37 No.106412697 Report

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fine if it's actually funny
the only times that happened in the mcu was in the ant-man films though

Jumpman !!wPhlyh8seG+

Jumpman !!wPhlyh8seG+ Wed 13 Mar 2019 18:08:04 No.106412705 Report

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>>106406139
It's the reverse for me. I hated the "Language" joke, but the second one actually seems funny, depending on the delivery.

Quipping is fine when done right. Joss Wheadon's quipping is just him showing off, which is why every character he writes has the same voice.

In Captain Marvel, I thought a lot of the earlier gags were too silly (such as Carl fighting a grandma on a train), but the best comedic moments were the quiet scenes between her and Fury. Additionally, THAT scene with Goose in Act 3 got the biggest laugh at my theater, because of the brilliant buildup.

You need humor to lighten the mood every once in a while. Even The Dark Knight trilogy had (intentional) jokes, which is something the Zack Snyder DCEU movies forgot. But you can't have comedy overpower drama.

https://io9.gizmodo.com/into-the-spider-verse-cut-a-popular-spider-ham-joke-for-1832015240

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Mar 2019 19:03:14 No.106413441 Report

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Undercutting all remotely serious scenes with it annoys me.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Mar 2019 19:16:00 No.106413617 Report

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>>106404862
This.
Even Moon Knight used to fire off quips at least once a page back in the old days.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Mar 2019 19:51:32 No.106414116 Report

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>>106406377
>Infinity War wasn't quippy
>"duuude, you're embarrassing me in front of the wizard!"
>"you ever hear of that old movie Alien?"
>Drax's entire existence

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Mar 2019 20:16:50 No.106414482 Report

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>>106404821
It's stupid

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Mar 2019 20:19:52 No.106414532 Report

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>>106404821
It's fine so long as the jokes are funny and/or appropriate. Humor is a really effective way to characterize our protagonists and endear them to the viewer.
>on your left
>kick names, take ass
>oh, we're using our made up names
Are all effective.

>language!
>I have famously huge turds
>people make... smaller people? Children!
Are not.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Mar 2019 20:20:26 No.106414544 Report

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>>106404821
The word "quipping" is thrown at so many different things I'm honestly not even sure what the word means anymore.
Not even kidding.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Mar 2019 20:56:37 No.106415051 Report

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Its one of my biggest problems with the MCU. It's fine in moderation and if its confined to one or two fitting characters but when every character needs to quip it ruins the tension and atmosphere. It often feels like the writers under-estimate the viewers capacity be engaged in a dramatic moment.
I'm a combat veteran medic and I've been in my fair share of fire fights. A few times, in the middle of the shit, a joke or quip has been made and they were fucking hilarious but it was a once in a blue moon thing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Mar 2019 21:16:46 No.106415355 Report

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>>106404925
But the quipping is never about strategic value.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Mar 2019 21:22:40 No.106415429 Report

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Pure cancer , leave it to Spiderman since Peter is supposed to be an obnoxious faggot to distract his villains.

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Anonymous Wed 13 Mar 2019 21:23:05 No.106415437 Report

Quoted By: >>106415603 >>106415900

>>106404821
Quipping on the whole works best for characters that are either naturally cocky (Thor, Iron Man) or do so strategically (Spiderman, Wally West flash). So, it's in character for them to quip all the time as it is either part of their identity or part of their fighting style. What I'd like to see more of is a normally very quippy character be the one to pick up on the gravitas of the situation. It raises dramatic tension.

Pic related is a really good example of how quipping as a signature feature of a character can be integrated into the plot. Octavius Superior Spider Man doesn't quip. Peter Parker Spider Man does. Seeing Osborn's hatred at the fact that Peter is back makes the Superior Spiderman arc worth the run through.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Mar 2019 21:33:02 No.106415603 Report

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>>106415437
Just to clarify, strategic quipping means using it as a psychological weapon. Joking and poking fun at your enemy can be a powerful tool to offset them. Get them mad and they get sloppy.

A good example of this is the fight between Terry Mcginnis's Batman and Tim Drake's Joker. Normally Joker loves toying with Bruce Wayne and has on numerous occasions gone out of his way to try to get Bruce to laugh with him despite Bruce always stonewalling him. Terry, on the other hand, realizes he can't beat Joker like Bruce so he plays to his own strength. He begins picking apart the Joker's identity and relationship to the old Batman. This get Joker angry and ultimately leads to his defeat.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E6SVzff6umQ

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Mar 2019 21:49:38 No.106415861 Report

Quoted By: >>106416862

>>106408080
>Nah the worst is Thor3.
Thor 3 is a comedy. Maybe you didn't like the humor, but you can't credibly complain that there were too many funny scenes in a comedy.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Mar 2019 21:50:53 No.106415881 Report

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>>106404821
Was just about bearable in Avengers 1, with some notable clunkers like "I do not see how that is a party". Absolutely insufferable in AoU, ruined the film.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Mar 2019 21:51:55 No.106415900 Report

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>>106415437
God Slotts run was garbage but Ill be damned if he didnt pull of Superior well. For one year, one nice little year, he wrote Spiderman well.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Mar 2019 22:00:10 No.106416037 Report

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>>106407225
Fucking THIS

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Mar 2019 22:06:08 No.106416149 Report

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>>106404821
Considering it's a thing that people actually do, it's fine so long as it still feels like something spoken and not something written.

There's a very distinct difference there and it's pretty easy for someone to sniff out as an individual if they're trying to be critical about it. The problem is that it's very hard for big productions to actually tell because they're very good at convincing themselves that everything that does well in focus studies is golden.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Mar 2019 22:07:49 No.106416172 Report

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Gets pretty tiresome when it's written by someone not very clever or when it's lacks impact so as not to really offend anyone.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Mar 2019 22:54:30 No.106416862 Report

Quoted By: >>106416929

>>106415861
The first two movies were not comedies though. Switching genres might actually have disappointed some people.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Mar 2019 22:56:44 No.106416893 Report

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>>106404821

I'm sick of it. No one talks like that even after years of having actors do it. It's ruined marvel by being their go-to method of breaking tension whenever they have a serious moment or "unrealistic" element adapted from the comics. Fuck that shit and fuck the faggots who demand it. I don't blame Whedom tho.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Mar 2019 22:58:51 No.106416929 Report

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>>106416862
A lot of the first Thor was a fish out of water comedy, and a bit of a rom-com.

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