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Anonymous Thu 20 Dec 03:25:47 2018 No.104800357 View Reply Original Report

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What was his problem?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 20 Dec 2018 03:28:44 No.104800402 Report

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>>104800357
Aquaman

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Anonymous Thu 20 Dec 2018 03:30:29 No.104800431 Report

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>>104800357

autism - as proven in canon and Cereal Lord being an idiot will use that for the sequel

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Anonymous Thu 20 Dec 2018 03:33:29 No.104800472 Report

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>>104800357
He
Really
Really
Really
Really
REALLY
Fucking hates Aquaman. The why isn't important anymore considering it's consumed his entire life. Get up in the morning? Hate Aquaman. Brush teeth, hate Aquaman. Buy goldfish from pet store, name it Arthur, sit in chair, wait for it to die, and repeat. Black Manta is the most entertaining supervillain there is, and one of the more admirable ones because he's a normal man capable of being a plague on a godlike sea king.

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Anonymous Thu 20 Dec 2018 03:36:00 No.104800516 Report

Quoted By: >>104800547 >>104800588

They should have made him a black supremacist

Worked for Killmonger and you (kinda) stick to the canon

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Anonymous Thu 20 Dec 2018 03:36:46 No.104800528 Report

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>>104800402
/thread

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Anonymous Thu 20 Dec 2018 03:37:46 No.104800542 Report

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>>104800472
>He's da best because he barely has one dimension.
>He's admirable because a hero blatantly jobs to him at all times.
It's almost as if the DCEU was timed to coincide with the increasing rate of autism. It probably just happened 10 years too soon.

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Anonymous Thu 20 Dec 2018 03:38:03 No.104800547 Report

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>>104800516
Doesn't work when aquaman isnt white

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Anonymous Thu 20 Dec 2018 03:40:24 No.104800588 Report

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>>104800431
>>104800516
Black Manta was never really autistic, and he already tried the "I'm doing all of this for black people so they have an underwater utopia". All bullshit. Why? Because it made Arthur look bad. "Oh look! Aquaman is fighting a mentally disabled man and he's racist!". That was the point.
>>104800542
Weak bait, anon. You know what's refreshing? A villain that either isn't crazy, misunderstood, or redeemable. We get enough of that shit these days.

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Anonymous Thu 20 Dec 2018 05:27:10 No.104802319 Report

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>>104800588
Why can't he simply be a guy who wants to plunder the fabled riches and technology of Atlantis?
That's actually a pretty sensible goal for a mercenary. It would be refreshing to have villains who simply wanted to get set for life.
Even Flash's Rogues have been reduced to "gentleman's kid-gloves" faggotry.

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Anonymous Thu 20 Dec 2018 05:28:05 No.104802341 Report

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He didnt ask mercy from the sea

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Anonymous Thu 20 Dec 2018 05:33:37 No.104802438 Report

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>>104802319
Because that's boring. The short sighted stop at money. Besides, the Captain Ahab thing works

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Anonymous Thu 20 Dec 2018 05:35:59 No.104802472 Report

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>>104800588
>Black Manta was never really autistic
I would say that his infatuation for Aquaman is pretty autistic. When he thought Aquaman was dead he stopped being a villain and had a normal job. Then he killed everyone at is work when he found out that Arthur was alive.

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Anonymous Thu 20 Dec 2018 05:36:50 No.104802486 Report

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>>104800542
>>104802319
What makes him fun is that his driving motivation is pure hatred. There's something admirable about someone who devote themselves to something so completely that it consumes them.

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Anonymous Thu 20 Dec 2018 05:47:17 No.104802637 Report

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>>104802319
A pirate going against his nature of plundering, the life and blood of a pirate, who sets that a side for gainless revenge is far much better of a twist. If I wanted a money motivated merc, i would just read Deathstroke.

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Anonymous Thu 20 Dec 2018 05:54:52 No.104802772 Report

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>>104802319

He was that before he met aquaman. Now he can't get over him. Aquaman is now his white whale

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Anonymous Thu 20 Dec 2018 06:29:25 No.104803264 Report

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>>104800357
He's mad because the ocean is cold and doesn't give a shit about him so he built all his ridiculous black manta stuff and declared himself king of the ocean, this brought him into conflict with aquaman and now both men fight over this meaningless title.
>>104800588
I'm pretty sure he pretended to be a black supremacist at some point to lure one of the dumber black superheroes to work with him, then he was like "Ha! I'm not being an asshole for black people, I'm just being an asshole!"

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Anonymous Thu 20 Dec 2018 06:58:09 No.104803645 Report

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>>104802319
>Why can't he simply be a guy who wants to plunder the fabled riches and technology of Atlantis?
Because that's fucking boring

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Anonymous Thu 20 Dec 2018 07:01:47 No.104803677 Report

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>>104802319
>Why can't he simply be a guy who wants to plunder the fabled riches and technology of Atlantis?
That's literally what he was doing at before, and depending on your preferred interpretation
>Aquaman foils one of his plans
>Aquaman kills his father
Driving him to hate him with a fiery passion and seek his destruction. He's petty hatred blown to its hyperbolic peak incarnate

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Anonymous Thu 20 Dec 2018 07:14:37 No.104803808 Report

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Black Manta died, didn't he?

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Anonymous Thu 20 Dec 2018 07:17:08 No.104803824 Report

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>>104803808
In the film? He's alive in the mid credit scene

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Anonymous Thu 20 Dec 2018 07:18:18 No.104803840 Report

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>>104800588
Good fucking god am I sick of sad sack pitiable villains. Especially ones who show up on more than one occasion. Once is tragic, any more than that? I don't care how sad your backstory is. You're a psycho.

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Anonymous Thu 20 Dec 2018 07:22:30 No.104803880 Report

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>>104800542
It's all about execution. His inexplicable Ahab-esque contempt for Aquaman is charming entirely because he's such a persistent prick towards him without 8t ever even really coming up. It's not like he's just cuhrazy like the Joker. He's a perfectly sane and conscious person who just cannot fucking stand Aquaman and that's hilarious

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Anonymous Thu 20 Dec 2018 07:24:04 No.104803893 Report

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Anonymous Thu 20 Dec 2018 07:24:09 No.104803899 Report

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I actually liked the New 52 backstory, in which Manta and Aquaman kill eachother's fathers.

It's elegantly simple, gives Manta a decent reason to hate Aquaman, and still leaves enough room for there to be an air of mystery to Manta. For example, we don't know what his childhood was like, or why he reacted so much more badly to his father's death than Aquaman did.

I think it works well.

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Anonymous Thu 20 Dec 2018 07:25:06 No.104803909 Report

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>>104803840
This. Fuck Freeze. Having a frozen wife isn't a justifiable reason to freeze innocent people to death

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Anonymous Thu 20 Dec 2018 07:25:53 No.104803918 Report

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I thought Aquaman was going to be a moralfag and save Black Manta's dad but nope, he just let's him die. Didn't really expect that.

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Anonymous Thu 20 Dec 2018 07:30:33 No.104803954 Report

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Call me a pleb but I just love the idea that even Manta doesn't really know why he hates Aquaman. Just having this character who is motivated by a near supernatural force of hatred with no apparent root cause or origin and no hope of reconciliation is almost terrifying. Can you imagine if someone hated you as much as Manta hates Aquaman and you weren't even able to do anything about it because neither of you understood why? That's a nightmare scenario for a superhero. Even the Joker has a logic behind his actions, absurd as it may be. A for like Manta driven by pure emotion and anger would be impossible to prepare for.

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Anonymous Thu 20 Dec 2018 07:31:04 No.104803956 Report

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>>104803918
Yeah. Didn't even try to talk Manta down during their fight either. Guy was a savage.

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Anonymous Thu 20 Dec 2018 07:45:19 No.104804079 Report

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>>104803909
I understand the need and want to have your characters more complex but a sob story background isn't complex. It's somewhat sad because of basic empathy but what matters more than motivation is gravitas and charisma. A good villain has presence. He makes the scene tense or powerful simply by existing.

Background fluff will always just be background fluff and the more you bang on about your past or pain or whatever the less complex you actually become. And frankly I think the people begining for these kinds of villains are really overlooking the simple fact that in real life some people are just cunts.

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Anonymous Thu 20 Dec 2018 11:23:12 No.104805591 Report

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>>104800357
Aquaman

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Anonymous Thu 20 Dec 2018 14:33:56 No.104807200 Report

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Anonymous Thu 20 Dec 2018 14:42:48 No.104807287 Report

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>>104803954
>weren't even able to do anything about it
You could just kill the man.

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Anonymous Thu 20 Dec 2018 15:08:58 No.104807558 Report

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>>104802319
What part of "Ahab" are you not getting?

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