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>>101465647
we don't know but I wonder how his style is overflowey, it always seemed more like he just wanted to characters to you know animate and look good on a feature budget.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 17:49:51 No.101465678 Report

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>>101465603
Modern techniques? Wow, get your head out of your ass.
Half your work is done by computers, all you do is animate a bunch of flash puppets and have all the in-between frames outsourced to sweatshops in the Philipines and S. Korea.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 17:50:18 No.101465689 Report

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>>101465603
"how is he as a mentor?" he's fucking don bluth

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Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 17:50:28 No.101465692 Report

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>>101465597
>"overflowy"

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Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 17:51:05 No.101465700 Report

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>>101465597
>forced animation

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Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 17:52:01 No.101465712 Report

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>>101465672
When they say "overflowey", they mean anything with smoothly animated characters that aren't solid-color blobs.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 17:52:46 No.101465717 Report

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>>101465603
>graduate from don bluth school
>spend rest of life animating allergy medicine wolves
fml

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 17:53:15 No.101465727 Report

Quoted By: >>101465748

What does that mater when every cartoon is animated by Koreans

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 17:54:33 No.101465744 Report

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>>101465597
>>101465603
Damn, this is border line hope killing. This is the mind set of animators now, WTF? In twenty to thirty years animation will just be animatics.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 17:55:04 No.101465748 Report

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>>101465727
Koreans are actually too expensive now. South Africans are doing a lot of animation work nowadays.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 17:55:19 No.101465753 Report

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>>101465603
I always figured the sort of people putting that sort of cash down on Don's course either have no interest in modern animation techniques, or already know them and want to broaden their skillset.
>>101465717
That would be a dream job for me.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 17:55:32 No.101465755 Report

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very soon all of the animators who actually know how to draw will be dead and so will the craft. nobody who does animation knows how to draw anymore, especially not in the west where all we do is storyboarding. and to people like toniko this is a good thing because it means job security from lack of competition. sad.

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Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 17:55:37 No.101465760 Report

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>>101465744
But at least there will be female and minority voices in the industry, which will make everything automatically better.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 17:56:40 No.101465773 Report

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>>101465597
Don Bluth is not cost effective. That's why he's overflowey and not "fluid". Fluidity can be achieved with cost effectiveness.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 17:57:56 No.101465791 Report

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>>101465755
>da industry iz doomed WAKE UP SHEEPLE
you sound like you sniff your farts every day.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 17:58:24 No.101465801 Report

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>>101465755
Yet, we still get a shitton of cartoons each year for all kinds of demographics.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 17:59:08 No.101465814 Report

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>>101465717
advertising pays a lot. And it's a new project every time, unlike show slaves that can be locked in the same shit for a decade.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 18:00:11 No.101465829 Report

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>>101465773
There's no such thing as "cost effective " animation.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 18:00:12 No.101465831 Report

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>>101465791
the industry is not doomed, it's doing fine. doesn't change the fact that nobody knows how to draw anymore, they don't need to.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 18:00:26 No.101465834 Report

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>>101465678
you realize these kids are going to school to get a job right? whether you like it or not, the calarts is what people are hiring for, not the don bluths anymore

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 18:01:51 No.101465855 Report

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Why is Don Bluth important? I googled him and it just looks like he draws on the Disney style

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 18:01:59 No.101465858 Report

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>>101465597
I had to look at this guy's Youtube channel. Honestly, this Toniko guy sounds really jealous because his animations are really stuff and
comical.
He also has a bunch of tutorials and is probably salty because he will never be able to charge $10k for his AfterEffects lessons

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 18:02:56 No.101465872 Report

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>>101465603
I actually know someone who is enrolled in the expensive art program.

She thinks it's going to lead to a career in animation but just doesn't understand that 2D animation is dead and that Bluth is widely looked down upon in the industry. (aka the diploma isn't worth the paper it's printed on)

In addition to the 10k in tuition, you also have to fly out to Phoenix to turn in the last bit of work. You can just mail it in if you want to graduate.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 18:03:58 No.101465886 Report

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>>101465872
can't*

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Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 18:04:16 No.101465897 Report

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>>101465829
source: your ass

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Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 18:04:26 No.101465899 Report

Quoted By: >>101465919 >>101467729 >>101468902

>man who single-handed lay took on Disney in the 80s and 90s with success
>created literally the greatest animated movie of the last 60 years with Secret of NIMH

>gets laughed at by a literal nobody because he doesn’t draw basedboy noodle arms and outsource his craft to flash animators in Korea

Fucking kill western animation. Kill it right the fuck now.

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Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 18:04:35 No.101465903 Report

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>>101465834
Miss me with that bullshit.
The industry hires poorly-skilled asskissers who are fine with being paid peanuts because they'll make cheap yet profitable shows, they don't hire anyone with skill or make proper use of technology because "muh shareholders!!!".

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 18:05:21 No.101465919 Report

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>>101465899
>took on Disney with success
In what way? All he did was make some shitty princess knockoff movies.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 18:05:24 No.101465921 Report

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>>101465897
any art based product isn't cost effective. Even a shitty cartoon. effectiveness requires scrapping the visual part of the medium entierely.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 18:06:03 No.101465926 Report

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>>101465872
>Bluth is widely looked down upon in the industry.

This.

Also, Bluth doesn't really use any current techniques. It's not going to prepare anyone for a modern career in the industry.

I really feel for all the students blowing 10k a pop plus other expenses.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 18:07:30 No.101465945 Report

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>>101465717
I work in marketing, we get a big slice of the pie.

Making stupid advertising pays the bills and much more, especially if you get into the sweet videogame advertising deal, dear God the money some companies are willing to spend there is just beautiful.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 18:08:05 No.101465956 Report

Quoted By: >>101465984 >>101469019

>>101465919
This.

Bluth had some success, but his later work has bombed. He has actually been forced to retirement because the industry as a whole has effectively blacklisted him.

He burned all his bridges in the industry and comes across as nothing but a "Get off my lawn" old fool these days.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 18:08:24 No.101465961 Report

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What does it matter if that Don Bluth guy was good half a century ago, if his stuff is still not being used today anymore?
What he should do is make a new movie or cartoon to prove anyone wrong and showing the superiority of the stuff he teaches. Else, it's just a relic from a bygone age.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 18:08:49 No.101465968 Report

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>>101465829
Japan always finds ways to cut costs and still look decent in the market, studio OLM recently did an integration od Toonboom as a tool and it paid off big time.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 18:09:11 No.101465970 Report

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>>101465945
So what do you actually do in marketing?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 18:09:45 No.101465979 Report

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>>101465919
>Secret of NIMH
>Land Before Time
>All Dogs Go to Heaven
>shitty princess knockoff movies

The Steven Universe containment thread is leaking.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 18:10:13 No.101465984 Report

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>>101465956
Is he another turbo perfectionist autist like John K or something?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 18:11:06 No.101466002 Report

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Yeah, Don Bluth is garbage.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 18:12:03 No.101466017 Report

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>>101465984
No, Bluth is even worse. He's also a huge misogynist and once slapped a young animator for criticizing his work.

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Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 18:12:53 No.101466031 Report

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>>101466002
Make better bait or don't bait at all

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 18:13:00 No.101466032 Report

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>>101465970
Develop campaigns, I moved from graphic artist to director, I basically just create a schedule for others to work at this point.

I stopped drawing and I'm winning a fuckload of bucks just by telling people to be in time and filling some reports.

Projects are varied as fuck, from medicine to cars, however I always wanted to get into the gaming deal, some friends from Europe pretty much bought and apartment just from getting involved with ubisoft.

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Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 18:13:43 No.101466045 Report

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>>101466002
... Is there a reason people say this, or is it just a meme? I haven't seen his movies in at least twenty years, but if >>101465979 is anything to go by the guy put out some of the best animated movies of the time. Do they not hold up? Are there just people mad at him for saying something dumb a long time ago?

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Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 18:14:20 No.101466055 Report

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>>101466017
That’s some very shitty b8

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 18:14:59 No.101466066 Report

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>>101466045
It’s just /co/mblr being /co/mblr.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 18:17:08 No.101466104 Report

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>>101465834
Yeah, until industry standard changes yet again like it does every decade and these kids are out of work.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 18:17:12 No.101466105 Report

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Why should anyone care what some random person on twitter says? oh wait that's right outrage threads.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 18:19:50 No.101466144 Report

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>>101466045
Because his animation looks like garbage.

He's the Jerry Seinfeld of animation. When people parody bad animation, they're imiting Bluth.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 18:22:37 No.101466184 Report

Quoted By: >>101466243

>>101466144
Why make bait that someone could disprove by just putting in “don bluth animation” into YouTube? Are (((you)))s that important?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 18:22:55 No.101466189 Report

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>>101466045
>do they not hold up?

Not when you take off the rose colored glasses, no.

I'm sure they were very important to your childhood.

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Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 18:23:58 No.101466206 Report

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>>101465597
>twitter screencap post

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 18:24:36 No.101466217 Report

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>>101465603
>Modern techniques
You mean talentleas scribbles.
I scribble Calarts modern techniques in the margains of my lab notebooks.

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Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 18:25:50 No.101466239 Report

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>>101466144
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJCggLiiSIg

Call me an illiterate pleb who doesn't understand the finer nuances of animation, but I think the work speaks for itself. What about this is even remotely bad?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 18:26:00 No.101466243 Report

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>>101466184
If you think Don Bluth looks good, anon, then all it means is you have bad taste. When people complain about "disney style" what they're really complaining about is Don Bluth.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 18:26:03 No.101466244 Report

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>>101466045
For every good movie he made like three stinkers. Well animated and pretty films, but shit films nonetheless. It doesn't help that all his good films were front loaded at the start of his directing career, after All Dog go to Heaven you can basically ignore everything else he did. Thumbelina, Rock-A-Doodle, Pebble and the Penguin, Titan AE, Troll in Central Park, all terrible. After a while he stopped doing interesting films and just tried to do Disney knock-offs which was the death of him, he left Disney in the first place because he didn't want to make Disney style films.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 18:26:26 No.101466253 Report

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>>101465801
>American animation
>sshitton of cartoons each year for all kinds of demographics

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 18:27:18 No.101466268 Report

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>>101466239
>mmm, sugar tastes good
>that means eating a huge bag of sugar is a good idea!

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 18:28:07 No.101466285 Report

Quoted By: >>101466356 >>101468902 >>101471079

>>101466045
His movies also include stuff like "Rock-a-Doodle", "Thumbelina", "A Troll in Central Park", and "The Pebble and the Penguin".
Bluth is hit-or-miss. Some of his movies are really great stuff, while some others are pretty shitty.

Animators today will most likely be working with either CGI or Flash puppets, but neither of those is considered to be Bluth's area of expertise. That can make his approach look outdated.
Also, from an animation viewpoint, some animators can have a problem with Bluth's use of rotoscoping. His animal characters look lively enough, but his humans can look kinda stiff because they're heavily referenced from live-action footage.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 18:28:19 No.101466286 Report

Quoted By: >>101466309

>>101466239
Nothing. People hating on Bluth are lazy numales who want to justify their bare minimum effort by disparaging actually great work that tikes time and skill. Just the slow degradation of society by basedboys in practice

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 18:29:10 No.101466304 Report

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>>101466268
what did he mean by this?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 18:29:20 No.101466308 Report

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>>101466268
Unironically kill yourself. I dont know why faggots like you are even allowed to exist

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 18:29:20 No.101466309 Report

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>>101466286
>Just the slow degradation of society by basedboys in practice
But if they're all based, that means that society isn't degrading, anon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 18:31:45 No.101466356 Report

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>>101466285
Animator here.
Learning frame by frame makes puppet animation ridiculously easy in a way animators who don't study it struggle with.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 18:32:12 No.101466362 Report

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>>101466304
He means it's saccharine and completely overwrought and cringy and patronizing. Don Bluth is why adults think animation is for children.

Here's another example.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1EFA5p4WwXQ

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Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 18:33:23 No.101466385 Report

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>>101466362
>skit is making fun of Disney, referencing Disney designs and movies
>somehow this is Don Bluth's fault

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 18:35:02 No.101466425 Report

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>>101466362
>animation is fur childrenz
>watches cartoons for ADULTS like Steven universe, adventure time, and bobs burgers

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 18:35:41 No.101466437 Report

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>>101466385
They are going into full shill mode against Bluth because he is a threat to them.
If his style made a come back those talentless Calarts shits would all be out of jobs.
They NEED to make his style seem bad by any means necessary.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 18:36:07 No.101466448 Report

Quoted By: >>101466474 >>101466570 >>101466651 >>101468902 >>101468959

>>101466385
Don Bluth is the apotheosis of the "Disney style." When people talk about Disney style, they're talking about Bluth whether they no it or not.

If you didn't know that, then you know nothing about animation. Which makes sense, since the people defending Bluth are know-nothing /pol/tards who came here to meme about Calarts.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 18:37:02 No.101466464 Report

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>>101465801
only if you count imports.

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Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 18:37:35 No.101466474 Report

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>>101466448
Modern /co/ - the post

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 18:38:07 No.101466485 Report

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>>101466437
>Bluth is a threat to them

lol, how's that kickstarter for a Dragon's Lair movie going along? Maybe he ought to worry more about raising money for his cocaine habit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 18:38:18 No.101466490 Report

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>>101466239
people are jealous that they will never be at his skill level in their lifetime because they have no ambition. that's all it is.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 18:39:01 No.101466504 Report

Quoted By: >>101466570

What can I say? Twitter is a dumpster fire of idiots. I say just ignore them,

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 18:39:34 No.101466513 Report

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>>101465597
That attitude is typical in any private school to be honest. Kids with big egos and influent dads, that know they can't fail the school to the end, so they get cocky.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 18:40:12 No.101466525 Report

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>>101466464
I'm a yuropoor watching both Amerigringo cartoons and nipponimations. There's plenty to watch.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 18:40:15 No.101466527 Report

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>>101466485
t. calarts basic shapes major

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 18:40:36 No.101466535 Report

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>>101466485
hello (((toniko)))

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 18:40:53 No.101466542 Report

Quoted By: >>101466602

Holy fuck, are they fucking kidding? Who do these mouth breathing fucktard Californian retards think they are? Don Bluth has made some of the best animated films in America, ever. Other than Disney and Pixar shit, his craft is some of the all time western best. He's made

>Land Before Time
>An American Tail
>All Dogs Go To Heaven
>Nimh

Christ. He's made some good shit. Regardless of what you draw or make, they should respect him for paving the way/being a significant part of animation history, period. These morons are so fucking ungrateful and don't bother to even aspire to be anywhere near the level these guys were at.

>>101465903
Exactly fucking this. All low effort shit. Even when I like a show for it's writing its still glaring how little goes into the animation, and on some shows, no effort at all. Fuck these companies with that "shareholder" shit. They would be impressing them more actually trying and moving more product.

Just ridiculous. I normally don't vent like this but my god do I hate my generation. So ungrateful and fucking lazy these bastards are.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 18:41:09 No.101466549 Report

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>>101465597
"Don't make fun of our style of animation, but allow us to make fun of other styles of animation pioneered by people who brought our industry to new heights."

I cannot stand these fuckers. Imagine Don Bluth having a go at Chuck Jones.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 18:41:24 No.101466553 Report

Quoted By: >>101466639

>>101466362
The parody still has objectively better animation than what most consider "cal-arts".

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 18:42:12 No.101466570 Report

Quoted By: >>101466660 >>101468902

>>101466448
Wasn't Disney style the origin of the calarts bitching to begin with
>>101466504
Good luck with that, /co/'s obsession with screaming about literal whose on twitter usnt going away anytime soon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 18:42:32 No.101466575 Report

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>>101466437
This. Imagine if these fucks had to attempt actual art.
Not a single person from calarts with a show in the works could do it.

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Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 18:43:39 No.101466602 Report

Quoted By: >>101467297

>>101466542
*sssiiiiip*
Well said, amigo! These kids just don't make cartoons like they made in the good old days. I tell ya, if we had more folks like Ralph Bakshi, Don Bluth, and John K running things, things would be a lot different!

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 18:44:03 No.101466609 Report

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>>101466485
> $731,172 USD total funds raised
>206% funded on January 16, 2016
Granted he still has to actually make the teaser and then secure funding for a full-length movie.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 18:45:36 No.101466639 Report

Quoted By: >>101466665

>>101466553
What people call "calarts" isn't even an actual consistent style.

So all you're doing is demonstrating you're a memester with no idea what you're discussing.

And no, that animation isn't better than anything else.

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Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 18:46:12 No.101466651 Report

Quoted By: >>101466699

>>101466448
>/pol/tards
stereotypes about art students are just documentary at this point

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 18:46:53 No.101466660 Report

Quoted By: >>101466836

>>101466570
He may be a nobody, but he's still an industry professional https://www.imdb.com/name/nm6951657/

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 18:47:16 No.101466665 Report

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>>101466639
>Not a consisten style
Yeah senpai there is so much variation with the basic shapes and over saturated colors.
>CAlarts interns actually think their style is diverse

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 18:47:17 No.101466666 Report

Quoted By: >>101467088

>>101465773
EEWW!!!! I FEEL ALL PRACTICAL AND COST EFFECTIVE.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 18:47:58 No.101466676 Report

Quoted By: >>101466996

>>101466239
It's objectively not the animation. The environments are Miyazaki tier, and if the work stuck with kids enough to warrant all the "much nostalgia" arguments then Bluth accomplished what he set out to do and I'm sure Disney hates the ever living shit out of him for it. If anything, the biggest faults are in direction, but anyone sperging about the "bad animation" should be careful sucking so many diseased industry dicks. I'd kill to see anything as well done as his work in the 2D format again.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 18:48:42 No.101466694 Report

Quoted By: >>101466801 >>101467258

I don't know why those people think that making fun of an elderly man is gonna make people that consider their drawings crap rethink that or feel "owned".

This just makes people that hate their drawings hate them more.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 18:49:16 No.101466699 Report

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>>101466651
This image never fails to make me laugh

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Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 18:49:38 No.101466706 Report

Quoted By: >>101467298

>>101465597
WTF? I hate Don Bluth now.
VIVA CALARTS!!!

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Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 18:49:52 No.101466708 Report

Quoted By: >>101466808 >>101469171

Does anyone else think the people unironically saying Don Bluth of all people made shitty animation are just underage fags biting the "people only like old things because of blind nostalgia" meme to try and fit in?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 18:51:02 No.101466729 Report

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>>101466104

Exactly like Don Bluth clearly isn't.

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Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 18:51:16 No.101466733 Report

Quoted By: >>101466769

>>101466239
terrible, just terrible

now THIS is art

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 18:52:19 No.101466750 Report

Quoted By: >>101469259

>>101466017
>Would Michaelangelo stand for one of his boy toys talking back.
>I think not.
>*SMACK*

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 18:52:19 No.101466751 Report

Quoted By: >>101466837 >>101466855 >>101466992 >>101467641

>>101465903
Besides not properly applying you for modern techniques, studios want an actual degree from a college. Don Bluth might make you a good artist but his degree is meaningless. It's not like you can die on your hill for quality animation, like in every profession, they're just hire the next guy.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 18:52:51 No.101466761 Report

Quoted By:

>>101465597
>>101465603
Going to Cal-arts should be an automatic blacklist from the industry for being a stupid lazy piece of shit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 18:53:17 No.101466769 Report

Quoted By: >>101466842 >>101467293

>>101466733
It really triggers me deeply these people have the audacity to ever judge another persons art with how bad theirs is. But they actually push for people to accept that this is good.
It's really truly disgusting. I actually think anyone who defends Calarts and shits on Bluth deserves to die.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 18:53:44 No.101466780 Report

Quoted By: >>101467316 >>101467319

Having talent is misogynistic bigot

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 18:54:38 No.101466796 Report

Quoted By:

>>101466045
Its called baiting.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 18:54:48 No.101466801 Report

Quoted By: >>101466855

>>101466694
You know what's really the problem? That somebody took some guy's comments about an old dude from social media and posted it here on 4chan so that they could talk about that old guy anonymously.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 18:55:01 No.101466803 Report

Quoted By: >>101466819

>>101466304
Too much of a good thing is a bad thing. Variety is important. This argument can be applied to both CalArts and the Don Bluth style.
There's no one right way to make animation.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 18:55:23 No.101466808 Report

Quoted By: >>101471625

>>101466708
They're doing it to get a reaction because it's funny.
You are giving them the reaction they find funny. They're going to keep doing it until it's either not funny or they stop getting a reaction.

And they're going to get a reaction every single time because people, "can't let the trolls win!"

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 18:55:38 No.101466816 Report

Quoted By: >>101466851 >>101467348 >>101467905

If I already paid off my house and really wanted to get into animation as a hobby or something I might consider paying $10k on Don Bluth's course. I would never in a hundred million years even think about paying $200k or whatever the fuck it is to go to Calarts and be a fucking dumbass art monkey making absolute soulless dogshit for what $15 a fucking hour or whatever these retards make? While being forced to live in one of the most expensive areas on the planet? Fuck Calarts kids, they should all be shot in the dick.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 18:55:42 No.101466819 Report

Quoted By:

>>101466803
lol no, there's no benefit in consuming or making shit animation, what the fuck.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 18:56:36 No.101466836 Report

Quoted By:

>>101466660
Some artists are assholes, file it under shit you already know if you ever interacted with college students in the creative fields.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 18:56:37 No.101466837 Report

Quoted By:

>>101466751
>studios want an actual degree from a college.
t. person who doesn't know anything about the animation industry.

See, what you actually need is a demo reel of your work. Most students use their short film as one, but there's nothing stopping a literally who with a part time from making a short film that's high quality, putting it online, and just doing the legwork to apply to a studio nearby instead of just mindlessly going to the hiring workshops at a school. In fact, this is how most people get into the industry these days, and "college connections" is just a closed network of people who know eachother but who still have to do years of gruntwork before showrunning anything.

In fact, a lot of studios actively avoid college students now because they can't afford to pay people that deep in dept who no doubt will be trying to use the union to get a much higher salary than they're really worth.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 18:56:51 No.101466842 Report

Quoted By:

>>101466769
because they have diplomas and jobs in the industry, they put themselves in a high ground where they are right by default against non professional.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 18:57:09 No.101466851 Report

Quoted By: >>101469318

>>101466816
If I met a Calarts inter/grad and they started telling me the shit I read from these fags here I would legitimately assault them. Fuck it. Would be worth.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 18:57:16 No.101466855 Report

Quoted By: >>101466945

>>101466801
How is that a problem? Are you the stupid faggot in the OP?

>>101466751
>Don Bluth might make you a good artist but his degree is meaningless.
>getting into art for a corporate job that gives a fuck about shit like that

You actually want to work for minimum wage as a storyboard artist on Stephen Universe? Really?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 18:57:20 No.101466858 Report

Quoted By: >>101466867 >>101467184 >>101468902

>Disney animator abandons Disney in the 80s to start his own rival studio
>Art school founded by Disney holds a grudge against him
It ain't that deep, bros

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 18:58:21 No.101466867 Report

Quoted By: >>101466945

>>101466858
So, where are all the awesome movies and tv cartoons made by those people who learned his trade?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 19:00:13 No.101466894 Report

Quoted By: >>101468902

Do you need my help?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 19:01:24 No.101466916 Report

Quoted By: >>101466977 >>101467144 >>101467395

Don Bluth's sense of aesthetics is a bit garish and excessively saccharine but it's a joke that any of these dumb kids would even think to compare themselves to him on a technical level. I would be shocked if anyone that graduated from Cal Arts in the past decade could animate even half as well as him. Why do these creatures have such a high opinion of themselves?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 19:03:05 No.101466945 Report

Quoted By: >>101467014 >>101467769

>>101466855
>You actually want to work for minimum wage as a storyboard artist on Stephen Universe? Really?
In all fairness, it sounds like REALLY EASY money if you can stomach the work environment and the show.

>>101466867
I wouldn't be surprised if the recent MLP movie was made by people who studied under him.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 19:03:52 No.101466958 Report

Quoted By: >>101467116 >>101467152 >>101467195 >>101467264 >>101467283 >>101467683 >>101470000 >>101470933

Wanna know a secret?

here it cums

Videogame animation killed the traditional movie and television animation industry because it created a massive brain drain of talent due to less creative constrictions and a market that allowed artists to actually make money off sales. No animator who doesn't have a royalty contract or shares in a company (so like 1% of any studio max) makes money from something if its successful, they're just on a payroll. Literally every cinematic e3 trailer would singlehandedly turn the animation industry on its head if it was released as a full motion picture, but its just the status quo for videogames. Any artist with real passion for animation and art design moved onto games years ago in the early 90's, videogames have replaced animation as a consumable media and traditional mediums of animation will never, ever, EVER recover or be relevant again, they will fade away silently into the night as real artists put real work into the real medium for real money.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 19:05:02 No.101466977 Report

Quoted By: >>101467029

>>101466916
What does it matter if he's good? Where's all the good stuff from all those guys and girls who learned under him?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 19:06:03 No.101466992 Report

Quoted By:

>>101466751
studios want the cheapest fuck that can save a file in power point, and the calart diploma just avoid problems with unions. That's it. Nobody in the fresh recruits under 30 can factually animate anymore, they make a storyboard and send it to Korea, then take credits of the products as "their hard labor". It doesn't matter if the school had them animate something in the past, 3 year in the job and its gone. animation is a talent that requires complete use all the time. Even Japanese animators are losing it these days for making so much cookie cutter trash.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 19:06:07 No.101466996 Report

Quoted By:

>>101466676
A lot of people on this thread will blame Bluth for the direction of his later films like Thumbalina and Rock a doodle, when this decisions where made by the producing companies.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 19:07:05 No.101467014 Report

Quoted By: >>101467062

>>101466945
>In all fairness, it sounds like REALLY EASY money if you can stomach the work environment and the show.

I'm sure the work is easy but it's probably a lot of hours. You'd be making not much above minimum wage while living in urban California where six figures is barely middle class, so that's basically a third-world standard of living. Sounds like a really shitty life unless you suck SJW showrunner dick hard enough to get accepted into their little circlejerk of backstabbing "friends" and get your own show. Even then the show would suck because you'd have to abide by the circlejerks awful opinions and you'd probably still make shit for money.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 19:07:09 No.101467017 Report

Quoted By: >>101468828

What's funny is that this guy's early shorts were more Bluth-y than CalArts.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5gMHjVagxDE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4V5ryctuddk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejSmPzyg948
Then you get to the last one and it's stereotypical CalArts character design and animation. That school really does mold any ability you have into a generic style.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 19:08:28 No.101467029 Report

Quoted By: >>101467072

>>101466977
How the fuck would I know? Are you defending Cal Arts?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 19:10:05 No.101467062 Report

Quoted By:

>>101467014
Why do you think they all virtue signal so hard

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 19:10:32 No.101467072 Report

Quoted By: >>101467143

>>101467029
No. I have no beef in stupid childish internet disputes. I just want to know where the goods are.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 19:11:34 No.101467088 Report

Quoted By:

>>101466666
nice get and nice starbarians quote

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 19:13:02 No.101467109 Report

Quoted By:

>>101465968
That’s because the animation itself is really choppy.
Art and animation are different things.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 19:13:28 No.101467116 Report

Quoted By: >>101467146 >>101467166 >>101467543 >>101469430 >>101471506

>>101466958
Can anybody counter this?
This actually makes a ton of sense.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 19:14:11 No.101467125 Report

Quoted By: >>101467198

>>101465979
John K said that as well, idiot

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 19:15:21 No.101467143 Report

Quoted By:

>>101467072
Yeah right, I bet you're the dipshit in the OP.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 19:15:24 No.101467144 Report

Quoted By: >>101467210

>>101466916
>Why do these creatures have such a high opinion of themselves?
If you've been in any recent art community, you'd know that it's full of 100 insecure brats for every good artist. They know they suck but they don't accept it. They form cliques of other shitty artists and ejaculate all over each other's shitty work to make themselves feel better about their low effort garbage. This is true in the animation industry as well. I know from experience that even if you're accomplished and incredibly skilled, these cretins will effectively ignore you or outright hate you for it because you're a threat to their ego. A lot of great artists have a bad reputation of being assholes, but the reality that they aren't going to bother explaining is that other, worse artists are constantly up their ass for either personal gain or just to bring them down. Unless you really make it big somehow or unless you suck everyones dick you're going to have trouble getting anywhere.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 19:15:30 No.101467146 Report

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>>101467116
No, sadly it's all true

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 19:15:57 No.101467152 Report

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>>101466958
What's interesting is that Bluth was probably ahead of the curve when he started doing lazerdisk games. Sure the tech available wasn't quite there yet, but I reckon he could feel the way the currents were drifting and decided to branch out into a genre that wasn't utterly monopolized and regulated to the point of allowing total skill deterioration.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 19:16:42 No.101467166 Report

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>>101467116
most game animation is outsourced to the same people that do regular stuff. Nearly no studio hires in house these days.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 19:18:02 No.101467184 Report

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>>101466858
When I lived in LA if I ever tried to point this out to other kids in school they straight up didn't believe me.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 19:18:53 No.101467195 Report

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>>101466958
Pan, is this your next video, How Video games killed Cartoons?
Also yeah, I got a brother who does walking and reload animations for video games, he probably picked the right middle ground for his passion and soulless work because he works well above a living wage.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 19:19:04 No.101467198 Report

Quoted By:

>>101467125
John K hates everything that isn't a funny animal cartoon. Bluth did Serious Animal cartoons.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 19:19:46 No.101467210 Report

Quoted By: >>101467384 >>101467491

>>101467144
Then why don't all the losers who aren't CalArtians make their own community of connected people?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 19:19:56 No.101467214 Report

Quoted By: >>101469273

>>101466437
The only reason his art is more flows is that he has a much bigger budget. If he ran a tv series the art would be good but the animation would be choppy.
Why do you guys always equate artstyle to animation?

Also I wish Korean animated shows (Gravity Falls, SU, OKKO) would be less robotic. It’s like in the 20’s where the 12 principles of animation didn’t exist. It’s also funny since anticipation would actually require less frames since the frame rate wouldn’t be equal for every frame.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 19:20:47 No.101467225 Report

Quoted By: >>101467488

>>101465597
FUCK CALARTS

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 19:22:33 No.101467258 Report

Quoted By:

>>101466694
Well you guys make fun of the industry thinking that’ll do anything so...

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 19:22:38 No.101467260 Report

Quoted By:

>>101466066
Yes, fuck /co/mblr

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 19:22:48 No.101467264 Report

Quoted By: >>101467305

>>101466958
>Literally every cinematic e3 trailer would singlehandedly turn the animation industry on its head if it was released as a full motion picture, but its just the status quo for videogames.

Name five

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 19:23:41 No.101467272 Report

Quoted By: >>101467375

>>101466206
Fuck off reddit, this is a right-wing activism website

>posting calarts basedtoon

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 19:24:11 No.101467283 Report

Quoted By: >>101467435

>>101466958
>every cinematic e3 trailer would singlehandedly turn the animation industry on its head if it was released as a full motion picture
Nobody could afford it. Most of those really great trailers are made by a single company, mind you, and if they could make feature-length films for less than the price of a moon mission then they probably would.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 19:24:55 No.101467293 Report

Quoted By: >>101467432

>>101466769
Barely any of you know how to draw at all.
Trends exist.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 19:24:57 No.101467294 Report

Quoted By: >>101468902 >>101470800

>>101465647
Nobody has used cels since the 90s ended.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 19:25:07 No.101467297 Report

Quoted By: >>101467376

>>101466602
This reddit tier meme needs to end.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 19:25:09 No.101467298 Report

Quoted By:

>>101466706
fucking die s0yb0y

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 19:25:14 No.101467301 Report

Quoted By: >>101467327

How can we demolish Calarts and make it look like an accident?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 19:25:26 No.101467305 Report

Quoted By: >>101467746 >>101468902 >>101470856

>>101467264
Every Studio Blur trailer and Blizzard Trailer.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=bYl7N4U-JMI
https://youtube.com/watch?v=FqnKB22pOC0
https://youtube.com/watch?v=J2LiUsEOqcU
and this exception
https://youtube.com/watch?v=zzNs4-kRLaE

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 19:26:04 No.101467316 Report

Quoted By: >>101467528 >>101471522

>>101466780
>I see famous people being called out oh boy must be the juice

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 19:26:12 No.101467319 Report

Quoted By:

>>101466780
This

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 19:26:30 No.101467327 Report

Quoted By:

>>101467301
By being better than them. But to be better, one needs to have money. And to have money means to have a job. To have a job means to get hired for your skills.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 19:26:32 No.101467328 Report

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>>101465597
Don Bluth is the original Cal Arts style that John K rants about though.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 19:26:44 No.101467334 Report

Quoted By:

>>101465597
I think we're done here.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 19:27:12 No.101467348 Report

Quoted By:

>>101466816
You can actually draw any style in CalArts. Just because John K made a word doesn’t make it true.
People like the bean mouth style because it’s cute.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 19:27:16 No.101467350 Report

Quoted By: >>101468059

>>101465678
>animate a bunch of flash puppets
you have no idea what the fuck you're talking about

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 19:28:38 No.101467375 Report

Quoted By: >>101467426

>>101467272

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 19:28:39 No.101467376 Report

Quoted By:

>>101467297
reddit hates this meme, though

It's a based 4chan meme

reddit is 4chan's evil rival

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 19:28:56 No.101467384 Report

Quoted By: >>101467410

>>101467210
They don't need to trade compliments like dregs

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 19:29:45 No.101467395 Report

Quoted By:

>>101466916
>Why do these creatures have such a high opinion of themselves?
Compared to /co/, they’re pretty humble

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 19:30:37 No.101467410 Report

Quoted By: >>101468551

>>101467384
They should copy the things that work, though. And if trading compliments is the way to go, then so be it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 19:30:49 No.101467416 Report

Quoted By: >>101467468 >>101467703 >>101469719 >>101471955 >>101472305 >>101472445

>>101465597
My two cents as an animator in the industry:
The thing about Don Bluth's animation style is that it's technically very good, it's just that it doesn't know when to stop. Everything is constantly moving, the characters never sit still, and that makes it kind of exhausting to watch. That's great for an action sequence or when something big and dramatic is happening, but in real life living things don't move like that, they pause and think and take breaks. It's like if you had a drawing without negative space.

Richard Williams' work has a bit of this problem as well sometimes. I guess when you're that good at animation you want to show it off.

Unrelated but I rewatched Thumbelina recently and damn is that movie weirdly racist. The hell is up with those frogs?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 19:31:39 No.101467426 Report

Quoted By: >>101467487 >>101469663

>>101467375
go back

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 19:32:00 No.101467432 Report

Quoted By: >>101467540 >>101467602

>>101467293
I literally draw better than "Calarts style" doing random doodles. Its just basic shapes with saturated colors.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 19:32:03 No.101467435 Report

Quoted By: >>101467562 >>101467808 >>101468902 >>101469296

>>101467283
Even so, the sheer amount of talent in the gaming industry outclasses the traditional animation industry's talent really badly.

Fuck, could you imagine if the supergiant games artists made a movie? Bastion, transistor, could you fucking fathom that sort of art design and sober storytelling in an animated western movie? Are we just going to ignore the armies of no budget developers out there giving pixar a run for its money on animation quality alone? Could you imagine if any of the people working on all these games with gorgeous environmental designs and high concept settings that just go above and beyond anything in the current animation landscape were given the budget to make a short film? Fuck, bro, most of them flip between games and MOVIES. Not animated movies, actual live action productions, that's how fucking good they are.

I'm sorry, lad, but you're just wrong, cost hasn't been a real issue in art production for the last couple of years, especially with alternative funding resources. no budget skeleton crew indie games have more inspired art design than modern animators on tv even dare to dream about AND they're making more money for it. Even if you ignore budgets entirely, the fact is that even lucasarts back in the day was absolutely killing it in vacuuming talent from animation into the gaming industry.

I'm sorry bro, but no one's gonna save cartoons or animated movies, they're not worth saving, everyone moved onto greener pastures and the only people left are frankly a bunch of hacks who couldn't deal with learning some coding on the side to actually work in a legitimate artistic business.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 19:32:44 No.101467447 Report

Quoted By: >>101467579

>>101465597
Shoot up calarts

Shoot em all up

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 19:33:35 No.101467468 Report

Quoted By: >>101467600

>>101467416
I'd rather have everything constantly in motion than the alternative of static garbage with occasional garbage "action" scenes as seen in Stephen Universe et al. Bluth may not be a 10/10 director but he's so far above these Cal Arts ants it's amazing they dare to speak of him in a negative fashion, let alone mock him.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 19:34:43 No.101467487 Report

Quoted By:

>>101467426
As soon as the OP stops sucking dick.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 19:34:50 No.101467488 Report

Quoted By: >>101468298 >>101468902

>>101467225
It’s funny because Don Bluth’s style as called the CalArts style.
You hate the modern style SO much that you blinded yourself to any other knowledge of the School.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 19:34:57 No.101467491 Report

Quoted By:

>>101467210
Because they aren't hivemind loser non-artists like Cal Arts subhumans.

I love how you things think you're somehow "winners" for getting obscenely shitty soul-sucking positions in a dying corporate industry.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 19:35:52 No.101467513 Report

Quoted By: >>101467616 >>101467972 >>101470504

>>101465717
>graduate from calarts
>spend the rest of my life working for pennies on Cartoon Network cash grabs like Teen Titans GO and Thundercats ROAR
>can't complain because everyone keeps shouting at me about what a great opportunity this is
>they say if I keep working overtime and putting in the effort they'll make my dream show
>years later they finally make it
>the art style is watered down to be easier to animate
>character designs are all changed
>the head writer my co-producer forced me to hire is dedicating season long arcs to romantic relationships between characters

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 19:36:14 No.101467519 Report

Quoted By: >>101467551 >>101470453

>>101465603
He is right, stop being babies.
Animation is a job, if you are passionate about it that is fine, but do not pretend that he is not right cause he is.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 19:36:19 No.101467522 Report

Quoted By: >>101467578 >>101467588 >>101469807

Mods if you could IP ban Cal Arts and the city of San Francisco from posting here that would be a good idea imo, just a thought.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 19:36:36 No.101467528 Report

Quoted By:

>>101467316
>i see talentless animals calling out someone superior to them out of pettyness
Yeah really shocking huh really fires up dem neurons eh

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 19:36:52 No.101467533 Report

Quoted By: >>101467576 >>101468390

>>101465603
Those are fair questions. Don't you basically need a calarts degree if you want to work in animation in America?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 19:37:05 No.101467540 Report

Quoted By: >>101467761

>>101467432
Ok try to make an 11 minute short by yourself.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 19:37:15 No.101467543 Report

Quoted By: >>101472331

>>101467116
he's right. its even true indie studios
the team behind skullgirls or cuphead actually make money from their sales on steam, that income is just not possible if they made their games into a show or something.
animation is stuck with the old medium of TV and is dying out along with it. videogames are a new medium that is embracing technology and change so its no surprise its a thriving industry. until they make a cartoon version of steam, where users can instantly buy and stream a web series and the creators get those profits, then videogames will continue leave movie and tv animation behind.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 19:37:31 No.101467551 Report

Quoted By: >>101467858

>>101467519
Don't post actual good animation while sharing your subhuman opinions, Cal Arts scum. Don't think us actual people didn't notice that you all came into this thread at once.

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Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 19:38:09 No.101467562 Report

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>>101467435
And you know what, I'm just coming out and saying it, a big part of why videogames are absolutely replacing animation as something people give a shit about is because even if you completely remove artistry, there's just so much more compelling subject matter in videogames. There's so many games that even if they're shitty mechanically, will just have an interesting world or setting or story to them, there's so much more freedom to explore anything with any kind of tone, with the kid market basically not even existing anymore and just becoming a general purpose "all audiences" market.

What do cartoons do? Some fucking joke setting with parody characters? a bunch of references to something nobody cares about? stock stories with stock actors and stock studios used for tax evasion? Who gives a shit, aside from some exceptions that prove the rule cartoons haven't done anything interesting in like 30 years. There's nothing worth salvaging about it. All the purist autists that are on the right track about wanting better standards always ignore the simple fact that a shiny turd is still a turd, they ALWAYS ignore the storytelling and film making aspect and ALWAYS ignore what would actually elevate the medium into something worthwhile because they just want to play catchup with anime and everyone got bored of it years ago.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 19:38:32 No.101467576 Report

Quoted By: >>101467760

>>101467533
>Don't you basically need a calarts degree if you want to work in animation in America?

Why the fuck would you want to work in animation in America? Clearly they do not create anything resembling art, and they mock actual artists and spit in their faces, so why would you do that?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 19:38:31 No.101467578 Report

Quoted By: >>101467601

>>101467522
This

I love free speech but it should only be reserved to select people

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 19:38:32 No.101467579 Report

Quoted By: >>101467599 >>101467619 >>101472216

>>101467447
>I hate a chino style so much that I want everyone in a school that has nothing to do with it dead because a drawing means more than the lives of innocent humans.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 19:38:55 No.101467588 Report

Quoted By: >>101467618

>>101467522
Because of a meme that has no basis in reality?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 19:39:36 No.101467598 Report

Quoted By: >>101467635

>>101465597
Behead those who don't enjoy bean-mouths, inoffensive tube-shaped limbs, and constant off-model animation

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 19:39:36 No.101467599 Report

Quoted By: >>101467662 >>101468453

>>101467579
fuck off leftard

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 19:39:43 No.101467600 Report

Quoted By:

>>101467468
If everything was constantly in motion the art quality would be even worse.
Budgets exist, and a TV budget is far smaller than a movie budget.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 19:39:44 No.101467601 Report

Quoted By:

>>101467578
Nothing to do with free speech, it's about keeping the level of discourse at a decent standard. Same reason 18 year olds aren't allowed even though it's a SFW board.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 19:39:58 No.101467602 Report

Quoted By: >>101467761

>>101467432
the style has nothing to do with calarts
you are parroting a meme because you are braindead

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 19:40:43 No.101467615 Report

Quoted By:

Napalm bombing calarts when

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 19:40:45 No.101467616 Report

Quoted By:

>>101467513
You do realize it’d be in an even worse situation if you weren’t working for CN/Disney/Nick

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 19:40:46 No.101467618 Report

Quoted By: >>101467637

>>101467588
>no basis in reality

Are you seriously making the claim that Cal Arts gradsSo are you saying the creature in the OP is making things up or...?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 19:40:45 No.101467619 Report

Quoted By:

>>101467579
very /co/mblr post!

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 19:41:49 No.101467635 Report

Quoted By:

>>101467598
This but In reverse

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 19:41:56 No.101467637 Report

Quoted By: >>101467735

>>101467618
What?
Anon do you realize that the term "calarts style" is literally just a meme that has nothing to do with the school itself?
See, this is why you're a retard. You treat 4chan like it's a legitimate source of information.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 19:42:04 No.101467641 Report

Quoted By:

>>101466751
>studios want an actual degree
An art degree is the biggest meme on the face of the planet.

Whether it's comics, concept art, animation, or fucking anything, what they want is a sample and what you need is to seriously kiss ass or hire an agent. Aka, you're almost always going to be kissing ass.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 19:42:56 No.101467659 Report

Quoted By: >>101467739

>tfw natsoc revolution against calarts is starting

based

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 19:43:07 No.101467662 Report

Quoted By:

>>101467599
And I thought liberals were the ones that were supposed to get offended over the pettiest of things, though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 19:43:43 No.101467674 Report

Quoted By: >>101468902

>>101465597
I mean this is apt for Decline Era Bluth. Troll in Central Park and the like are terrible and floaty and just a ton of fucking garbage.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 19:43:51 No.101467675 Report

Quoted By:

>>101465597
you can see how deep the west has fallen by it's current animation

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 19:44:14 No.101467683 Report

Quoted By:

>>101466958
Aren't all those cinematic trailers and pre-rendered cutscenes made by VFX houses? I'd put the death of 2D animation down to South Asia being cheaper for TV animation (and that started before video games) and executives thinking that audiences aren't interested in theatrical 2D animation.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 19:44:40 No.101467687 Report

Quoted By:

>>101465744
It's the mindset of everyone now. You've gotta get paid somehow, even if it means driving a bulldozer through your hobbies, passions, or grandmother's home.

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Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 19:45:30 No.101467703 Report

Quoted By:

>>101467416
>Exhausting to watch
Bruh here cant even watch good animation without getting tired and he calls himself an animator
>Thumbalina is racist

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 19:45:44 No.101467707 Report

Quoted By: >>101467750 >>101467842

Trump recreating the night of the long knives where he kills everyone in calarts when?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 19:46:50 No.101467729 Report

Quoted By: >>101467800

>>101465899
I don't disagree with you, but your image confuses me. Ranma ½ came out in the late 80s/early 90s, and doesn't really reflect the modern state of anime. You have some great looking stuff like Ancient Magus Bride and Mob Psycho 100, but then you have the lazy tweeny stuff or cheap 3d model stuff like that waifu animal thing. The japs are suffering too, but at least they have a few holdouts that are good.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 19:47:09 No.101467735 Report

Quoted By: >>101467778 >>101467915 >>101469832

>>101467637
That post posted while I wasn't finished writing it for some reason.

>Anon do you realize that the term "calarts style" is literally just a meme that has nothing to do with the school itself?

What in this thread makes you think I'm complaining about the style? I'm complaining about the lack of standards and hivemind and circlejerking and nepotism associated with Cal Arts students and graduates. Are you suggesting that this blight on the American animation industry does not exist? What, in your world, is occurring in the OP, or during the "it's okay to be off-model" fiasco, or the Thundercats fiasco? You don't notice all the worthless subhumans jerking each other off and lashing out at anyone not a part of their club? Even someone immeasurably more talented and more accomplished than themselves like Don Bluth. Do you just not see it, like a robot in Westworld?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 19:47:20 No.101467739 Report

Quoted By: >>101467824

>>101467659

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 19:47:36 No.101467742 Report

Quoted By: >>101467801 >>101467901 >>101467912 >>101468068 >>101468114 >>101469631 >>101469769

>>101465692
He means "too much anticipation, too much overshoot, and too much settle" which is a problem with Don Bluth. You can see it in pic related in all its glory. There is a similar problem in "cartoony" Japanese and Korean animation, particularly Animaniacs, where the anticipation, even though done in one frame, is too extreme, and then the settle goes on far beyond how long it should. Everything looks like sloshing wet mops because of that.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 19:47:46 No.101467746 Report

Quoted By:

>>101467305
Blur isn't a game company, they're a VFX company.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 19:48:11 No.101467750 Report

Quoted By:

>>101467707
I fucking hate Trump but if he kills everyone in Cal Arts I'll vote for him in 2020.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 19:48:31 No.101467760 Report

Quoted By: >>101467820

>>101467576
Because your only other options are moving to Canada and putting out shit, or moving to Japan to try and break into anime (which isn't happening because you're a filthy gaijin).

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 19:48:31 No.101467761 Report

Quoted By: >>101467788

>>101467540
If I had the resources they do at my disposal I easily could.
>>101467602
No actually it does because and that isn't really up for debate.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 19:48:51 No.101467769 Report

Quoted By: >>101468435

>>101466945
>I wouldn't be surprised if the recent MLP movie was made by people who studied under him.

explain (I don't saw the movie)

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 19:49:02 No.101467778 Report

Quoted By: >>101467820

>>101467735
>I'm complaining about the lack of standards and hivemind and circlejerking and nepotism associated with Cal Arts students and graduates.
Again, you associate it with calarts because of memes.

>the "it's okay to be off-model" fiasco
That has nothing to do with calarts, but because you are a fucking moron who treats 4chan like it's a real source of knowledge and information, you associate with calarts.

>the Thundercats fiasco?
See above.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 19:50:10 No.101467788 Report

Quoted By: >>101469108

>>101467761
>No actually it does because
Because what? So many of the shows you hate because it's "calarts" were created by people who never went to calarts.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 19:50:47 No.101467800 Report

Quoted By: >>101467833

>>101467729
>The japs are suffering too, but at least they have a few holdouts that are good.

Which means they are good, since every creative industry will always be at least 95% shit just like modern anime. 95% of movies and video games are shit too, the important thing is that there is a 5% of gold to be found if you bother to look for it. It's only American tv animation that is currently 100% shit, and the kids ruining it have the balls to talk shit to their superiors and their audience.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 19:50:49 No.101467801 Report

Quoted By: >>101467987

>>101467742
I like the way it looks, though. Maybe only animators don't like it because it reminds y'all of doing more work or something?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 19:51:18 No.101467808 Report

Quoted By:

>>101467435
>greener pastures
The VFX industry is greener pastures? The V-F-Fucking-X industry?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 19:51:49 No.101467820 Report

Quoted By: >>101467847 >>101467994

>>101467778
>That has nothing to do with calarts, but because you are a fucking moron who treats 4chan like it's a real source of knowledge and information, you associate with calarts.

IT WAS LITERALLY ONLY CAL ARTS GRADUATES FUCKING DOING IT AND DEFENDING IT

>>101467760
Grow some balls and make indie shit or get into

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 19:52:07 No.101467824 Report

Quoted By:

>>101467739
t. leftist

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 19:52:21 No.101467831 Report

Quoted By: >>101467856 >>101469541 >>101470263 >>101472100

Is this good animation?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 19:52:25 No.101467833 Report

Quoted By:

>>101467800
That's fair. I just think a modern example would have been nicer. Also I don't now if it counts, but I think Venture Bros looks great. I think it's animated by Canadians though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 19:52:48 No.101467842 Report

Quoted By:

>>101467707
You're one those MAGA cultists, aren't you? What the fuck makes you think Trump gives a shit about cartoons?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 19:53:02 No.101467847 Report

Quoted By: >>101467921

>>101467820
>IT WAS LITERALLY ONLY CAL ARTS GRADUATES FUCKING DOING IT AND DEFENDING IT
Again, that's not true at all. You are just fucking repeating memes you see on 4chan.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 19:53:28 No.101467856 Report

Quoted By:

>>101467831
>
No, but I still like it

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 19:53:32 No.101467858 Report

Quoted By:

>>101467551
It is not an opinion, it is reality. The market is over-saturated and you need an education that also gets you internships and preference over other schools.
So you can either prepare yourself for what needs to be done or lose against a more prepared person.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 19:54:03 No.101467867 Report

Quoted By: >>101467878 >>101467901 >>101467912 >>101468046 >>101468848

So far I haven't actually seen a legitimate answer in this thread as to why Bluth's animation is bad. While I'm not too keen about animation, I have to admit that Bluth's art style is amazing, especially his dark moody atmospheres, which is just a personal taste of mine. So far I've seen his films and while the writing in said films can vary, the animation is overall fantastic in them.

I'm curious to hear any legitimate points on why so many people dislike him.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 19:54:51 No.101467878 Report

Quoted By: >>101467899

>>101467867
>So far I haven't actually seen a legitimate answer in this thread as to why Bluth's animation is bad.
It really isn't that great to begin with.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 19:55:36 No.101467899 Report

Quoted By: >>101468000

>>101467878
>It really isn't that great to begin with.
why? I genuinely serious, I want to know why.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 19:55:40 No.101467901 Report

Quoted By:

>>101467867
This >>101467742 is the actual, technical reason why people think he's "bad" but it's actually a personal preference thing so it can't be objectively "bad".

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 19:55:57 No.101467905 Report

Quoted By:

>>101466816
t. jealous he's not a trust fund kid enjoying a life in one of the most culturally influential cities on the planet surrounded by other similar vapid humanoids

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 19:56:07 No.101467910 Report

Quoted By:

>>101465597
The thing that bothers me about the CalArts style is that the whole point of it was to simplify the characters in order to make animation easier. Yet modern shows aren't animated any differently than cartoons from 10 or 20 years ago.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 19:56:17 No.101467912 Report

Quoted By:

>>101467867
>>101467742

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 19:56:25 No.101467914 Report

Quoted By:

>>101466032
maybe i should rethink my career

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 19:56:25 No.101467915 Report

Quoted By: >>101467937 >>101468022 >>101468099 >>101468140 >>101468155 >>101468201 >>101468757

>>101467735
>the Thundercats fiasco
It only became a “fiasco” when entitled man children (aka you guys) threw a temper tantrum over a harmless show claiming it was the fall of western civilization as we know it because it had a style you didn’t like.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 19:56:38 No.101467921 Report

Quoted By:

>>101467847
I'm on your side, but sadly 4chan memes are starting to bleed into reality.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 19:57:19 No.101467937 Report

Quoted By: >>101468023

>>101467915
a style which has nothing to do with calarts btw

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 19:58:09 No.101467953 Report

Quoted By: >>101468009

>>101465597
You know how I can make that tweet worse?

Replace Don Bluth with Richard Williams.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 19:59:00 No.101467972 Report

Quoted By:

>>101467513
That sounds like a dream job, but on the realistic side. We all know how these things go. The alternative is never getting close to anything you want to and making a living not creating.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 19:59:54 No.101467987 Report

Quoted By:

>>101467801
it's nightmarish to them because Flash can't handle all the amount of movement within 1 shot

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 20:00:10 No.101467994 Report

Quoted By:

>>101467820
>IT WAS LITERALLY ONLY CAL ARTS GRADUATES FUCKING DOING IT AND DEFENDING IT
Steven Universe and OKKO were at NY school of visual arts; not CalArts. And those two were the most prominent “CalArts” style.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 20:00:25 No.101468000 Report

Quoted By: >>101468055

>>101467899
Too busy, too cutesy, 10 years behind the average Disney rip off, kicked the furry aesthetic to death, responsible for killing traditional animation. You name it.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 20:00:46 No.101468009 Report

Quoted By: >>101468063

>>101467953
>when the old man kicks the bucket, you will live to see animators badmouth him
>you will live to see animators discourage new artists from looking at the animator's survival kit

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 20:01:24 No.101468022 Report

Quoted By:

>>101467915
The entire thing went to shit,people were believing in twitter screen caps with no sources and coming up with grand conspiracy theories, the only thing this whole autistic tantrum is done is make the Calarts meme main stream outside of /co/ so 12 years can bark memes and think of themselves as art critics.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 20:01:26 No.101468023 Report

Quoted By:

>>101467937
I know.
I am on your side.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 20:02:34 No.101468046 Report

Quoted By:

>>101467867
If I had to guess; his methods and styles are dated and don't mesh well with anything outside of traditionally animated 2D movies. He has an irrelevant skill set.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 20:02:58 No.101468055 Report

Quoted By:

>>101468000
Shrek killed traditional animation.
It was also the cause of “everything is PG and G no longer exists” trope.

OP Tue 03 Jul 2018 20:03:05 No.101468059 Report

Quoted By:

>>101467350
Jesus christ he really doesn't.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 20:03:16 No.101468063 Report

Quoted By: >>101469651 >>101470894

>>101468009
They are not really wrong, it is already very dated.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 20:03:27 No.101468068 Report

Quoted By:

>>101467742
So everything looks realistic because people have the exact same kind of anticipation and settle.

But you know, I work in vidya games, so stuff like that is actually encouraged.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 20:05:02 No.101468099 Report

Quoted By: >>101468155 >>101468187 >>101468209 >>101469713

>>101467915
It turned into a shitstorm because creative types are fucking children that get threatened by negative opinions. Just get off Twitter for 5 seconds you whiny mother fuckers

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 20:05:51 No.101468114 Report

Quoted By: >>101468944

>>101467742
I kinda like the anticipation. It’s really satisfying.

I kinda wish modern TV had more, or any, anticipation.
I can literally see where the storyboards start and end. It’s just too robotic.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 20:07:14 No.101468140 Report

Quoted By: >>101468245

>>101467915
>The consumer is at fault for not wanting to consume the product

Literally retarded.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 20:08:04 No.101468155 Report

Quoted By: >>101468179 >>101468193 >>101468213

>>101467915
>>101468099
We live in an age where if people don't like a product, it's the consumer's fault, not the corporation's

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 20:09:29 No.101468179 Report

Quoted By: >>101468264

>>101468155
I don't expect Mickey D's to serve well done steaks just because I'm throwing a tantrum, anon. I simply change venues.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 20:09:39 No.101468187 Report

Quoted By: >>101468387 >>101468430

>>101468099
I think the antis are far, FAR more whiny than the people defending roar. And it wasn’t “just a negative opinion”
Seriously, one of them threatened to literally shoot up CalArts because of it, to the point where CalArts had to temporarily close so they can make sure everyone was safe, let alone the tons of death threats from many others like him.

The worst the defenders said was that the show would be good.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 20:09:58 No.101468193 Report

Quoted By: >>101468223 >>101468264

>>101468155
there's a difference between "i don't like this show" and "this show will herald the apocalypse and i think everyone involved should be killed"

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 20:10:33 No.101468201 Report

Quoted By: >>101468347 >>101468399

>>101467915
If it was just entitled man children the hate wouldn't be as widespread or overwhelming.

Those designs are complete ass and the vast majority of people seem to agree. Some of them think it's a huge disgrace, some just go "eww, what?" and some say "why is Lion-O small and chubby?" But it blew up because common consensus was that it looked shitty.

Hell, anon, Sony's flop of a Ghostbusters didn't get this kind of hate. You sure it's just manchildren?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 20:11:06 No.101468209 Report

Quoted By:

>>101468099
>get a few cherry picked tweets
Oh my god all they do is whine on social media.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 20:11:20 No.101468213 Report

Quoted By: >>101468245 >>101468247

>>101468155
There’s a MASSIVE difference between a negative review of a product, and just some schmuck that took one look and it and said “This sucks, and the people who made this should be fired”

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 20:12:02 No.101468223 Report

Quoted By: >>101468260

>>101468193
Pretty sure the reaction was "this looks like shit what the fuck are they doing." If we could get people at large to react that way to McDonald's the world would be a better place.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 20:13:23 No.101468245 Report

Quoted By: >>101468290 >>101468316

>>101468140
See >>101468213
Typically you should look at feedback, but not when it’s from someone who has no idea what they are talking about.

You wouldn’t take a yelp review seriously if the guy didn’t even enter the restaurant, or a rotten tomatoes review where the guy just saw the poster.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 20:13:35 No.101468247 Report

Quoted By: >>101468318 >>101468321

>>101468213
Not really.

It's a cartoon show, the Aesthetic is everything and the Aesthetic was horrible.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 20:14:26 No.101468260 Report

Quoted By:

>>101468223
Only if they actually went there.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 20:14:32 No.101468264 Report

Quoted By: >>101468316 >>101468319

>>101468179
This. One of the most success contemporary show is TTG. I hate that fact but I'm not going to get worked up over media that doesn't market towards me and hardly gets any money out of me.

>>101468193
And this. The negative reaction was more over the top.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 20:15:53 No.101468290 Report

Quoted By: >>101468503

>>101468245
>food analogy

But if you want to play it that way, you should trust a yelp that says "there was mold on the front door." You don't have to consume a product in its entirety to evaluate it, only to evaluate *the entirety of it*. If someone's problem is with the designs they don't need to watch the whole show. If they want to bitch about the writing they need to experience it, though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 20:16:12 No.101468298 Report

Quoted By:

>>101467488
so did they

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 20:16:57 No.101468316 Report

Quoted By: >>101468379 >>101468386 >>101468548

>>101468264
>>101468245

>The public can't have an opinion

How about you stop trying to brown-nose an objectively horrible Aesthetic choice.

Do tell me what the outcry got wrong about Thundercats.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 20:17:06 No.101468318 Report

Quoted By:

>>101468247
Why capitalize "aesthetic"? A show can be ugly as fuck like Rugrats and still be successful.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 20:17:18 No.101468319 Report

Quoted By: >>101468394

>>101468264
TTG's designs are much better, to be fair.
People who like TTG were shitting on this. Basic design principles were ignored and the cast is a homogenous mess.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 20:17:18 No.101468321 Report

Quoted By:

>>101468247
Cartoons are also now a storytelling medium, and you have no idea what it’s about. That preview was LESS than a trailer; it was nothing.

First impressions are one thing(I even encourage them, and I think Roar is going to be mediocre bland garbage), but being 100% confident you can rate something based on a teaser trailer, a poster, and the creator’s hair is another.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 20:18:08 No.101468339 Report

Quoted By:

>>101465597
Who’s Bluth?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 20:18:20 No.101468347 Report

Quoted By: >>101468421

>>101468201
>no reply to this
It's a falseflag, people. Move on.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 20:19:08 No.101468359 Report

Quoted By:

I know what they mean by "overflowy," you see it in long hair tufts sometimes, but nobody in the modern animation circlejerk has any right to criticize him. You're not CGI replacing Harryhausen and puppets, you're using dollar store toys and fucking with the lighting hoping nobody notices.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 20:19:59 No.101468379 Report

Quoted By: >>101468418

>>101468316
With people like you misinterpreting posts and thinking that anyone is suggesting that you don't get to have an opinion. That's not what anyone meant. No one is brown-nosing in an anonymous chinese cartoon website.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 20:20:29 No.101468386 Report

Quoted By: >>101468418

>>101468316
You're intentionally ignoring what people are saying.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 20:20:34 No.101468387 Report

Quoted By: >>101469739 >>101469800

>>101468187
>Seriously, one of them threatened to literally shoot up CalArts because of it, to the point where CalArts had to temporarily close so they can make sure everyone was safe, let alone the tons of death threats from many others like him.
>taking the "some of you are all right" meme seriously
Did that school suck out your brain too?

Doodley

Doodley Tue 03 Jul 2018 20:20:46 No.101468390 Report

Quoted By:

>>101467533
You can get a degree an animation from any school, and it’s not not even really needed to get your foot in the door. On the job experience is worth more than a degree.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 20:21:01 No.101468394 Report

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>>101468319
How is that worse than South Park?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 20:21:15 No.101468399 Report

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>>101468201
>If it was just entitled man children the hate wouldn't be as widespread or overwhelming.
It’s called “bandwagoning”, especially since A TRAILER hasn’t even come out, let alone a single episode.

Also the artstyle is pretty bad and judging by the preview the writing will be bland and forgettable. However that’s just a first impression. I thought gravity falls would be really stupid looking at the commercial, but when I watched it, I liked it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 20:22:01 No.101468418 Report

Quoted By: >>101468452 >>101468466 >>101468470 >>101468653 >>101468711

>>101468379
>>101468386

You're literally trying to say the outcry wasn't justified. It was.

The design choices were horrible and the people behind them were arrogent dickweeds.

I work in animation, that design was terrible and the people behind it are lazy.

Or did you forget they showed us the storyboards that look like children scribbles.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 20:22:04 No.101468421 Report

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>>101468347
That's not what a false flag is...

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 20:22:21 No.101468430 Report

Quoted By:

>>101468187
People taking social media seriously is the major problem here

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 20:22:45 No.101468435 Report

Quoted By:

>>101467769
The animation feels really Bluth-inspired, just watch the trailer. Though the framerate feels... weird.
Kinda feels like "over-animated" at times, like the calarts folks complain about Bluth.

The animation looks pretty good, though the character design changes didn't do it any favors, at best it looks as cute as the show. Personally not a fan of the square heads and the changed ears.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 20:23:39 No.101468452 Report

Quoted By:

>>101468418
>wasn't justified
No, people are saying that it was blown out of proportion.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 20:23:43 No.101468453 Report

Quoted By:

>>101467599
>reeeeeee liberals
You have to go back
>>>/pol/
>>>r/the_donald

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 20:24:41 No.101468466 Report

Quoted By: >>101468532

>>101468418
> the people behind them were arrogent dickweeds.
You mean the guy who didn't even work on the show? Jeez anon, maybe you should spend 5 seconds in google instead of getting your information from /co/.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 20:24:54 No.101468470 Report

Quoted By: >>101468532 >>101468638

>>101468418
Outcry is justified in some regards, but it was overblown as part of a culture war that played into a larger unrelated narrative. Why do you try to write this off as people saying you shouldn't have an opinion?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 20:26:39 No.101468503 Report

Quoted By: >>101468532

>>101468290
Still, there could be some snot on the front door of a Five star restaurant for all you know. Maybe some toddler stuck t on there.

Again, that’s still a first impression. I’m not forcing people to watch or like it. I’m saying if you don’t watch it, you are unable to make an informed opinion about it, and your opinion should be disregarded and not taken seriously for it is uneducated on the matter.

I never watched super noobs. Super noobs looks like garbage. But I can’t make an informed opinion on it. Only an impression on it. I cannot review super noobs because of that. I used to think Gravity falls was stupid before I watched it, and then I liked GF.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 20:28:03 No.101468532 Report

Quoted By: >>101468565 >>101468637 >>101468815 >>101468877

>>101468470
Because you're purposely being obtuse.

What happened was a shit show was previewed and a bunch of Social media princesses got offended their ivory tower could hear the rabble.

>>101468466
I think you're just here to shill the show now, considering the showrunner still tweeted shit.

>>101468503
>Release a preview
>People don't like what they see
>WOW WHY ARE YOU NOT LIKING IT

Yeah, shills in the thread.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 20:29:10 No.101468548 Report

Quoted By: >>101468612 >>101468774

>>101468316
If they haven’t watched it, then the public can’t make an INFORMED opinion on it. Only a prediction or an impression.

That being said Thundercats ROAR looks like it will be bland and forgettable. But I cannot SAY WITH 100% CERTAINTY that the quality is bad since I only saw a poster and theme song. Not actual show footage.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 20:29:10 No.101468551 Report

Quoted By: >>101468583

>>101467410
It's complacent people like you that kill the essential criticism that all artists need to improve. It's these hugbox communities that breed thin-skinned, infantile creators. In turn those creators can't take being told that what they made is crap despite it being objectively crap. Rinse and repeat until all you have left to watch of animation is some rectangles being selected and dragged across a fucking screen to a MIDI tune.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 20:30:00 No.101468565 Report

Quoted By: >>101468612

>>101468532
>facts and evidence is "shilling"
This is why you're being called unreasonable.
>the showrunner still tweeted shit.
Proof?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 20:31:16 No.101468583 Report

Quoted By: >>101468612 >>101469050

>>101468551
>FUCK YOU I HOPE YOU FUCKING DIE FAGGOT SHIT SHOW RETARD
>wtf it's just constructive criticism

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 20:33:09 No.101468612 Report

Quoted By: >>101468672 >>101468850

>>101468565
Well let's see.

We have the hugbox demander who doesn't want people to create opinions on substancial previews because it's not out yet >>101468548

And we have the "I am Silly" defense here >>101468583

Sounds alot like a group of brown-nosers trying to dissuade the fact that the show actually gave us plenty, including a rough storyboard of the first episode with voice acting.

And it was horrible.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 20:33:20 No.101468614 Report

Quoted By: >>101468782

>>101465678
Flash puppets don't need manual in-betweens. That's one of the main reasons they're used.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 20:34:22 No.101468632 Report

Quoted By: >>101469009

>>101466002
As an animator he's one of the best in the field but as a writer he's complete garbage.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 20:34:38 No.101468637 Report

Quoted By: >>101468693

>>101468532
Not any of them but
The show runner didnt tweet anything you fucking mong, retards on here thought that faggot nico was the show runner for like a week. Your just another screeching outrage fag who apparently can't use google.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 20:34:39 No.101468638 Report

Quoted By: >>101468877

>>101468470
Youre right, the outcry would be overblown for this one show. But as you said yourself, its because all shows are doing this

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 20:35:12 No.101468653 Report

Quoted By: >>101468693 >>101468790

>>101468418
The outcry wasn’t justified; not at THIS level, it isn’t.
Yes, the style looks bland and generic but it was harmless. If you all would have forgot about it the show would be canceled before you know it.

The guy defending it didn’t even work on the show. And the people defending it said “it’s not so bad” as opposed to “if everyone in CalArts was killed I wouldn’t feel any remorse” or “this is why American civilization is failing”

Also Ed edd and Eddy look like children’s scribbles too.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 20:35:51 No.101468669 Report

Quoted By:

>>101465755
People are doing good animating elsewhere in the world (and I don't just mean anime)

Face it, though, America's industry has been mostly stagnant for a while.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 20:35:55 No.101468672 Report

Quoted By:

>>101468612
>"show me some proof that the showrunner tweeted shit"
>okay here are some 4chan posts

???

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 20:37:15 No.101468693 Report

Quoted By: >>101468887

>>101468637
... Does that stop the fact that the outrage was fueled by tons of "Animators" getting angry at the legitimate outrage.

>>101468653
See, there you are AGAIN defending it needlessly.

I don't need to justify anything to you, because I am not in the habit of talking to a bunch of Pathetic yesmen.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 20:38:11 No.101468711 Report

Quoted By:

>>101468418
>You're literally trying to say the outcry wasn't justified
The show isn't even out yet. You're clawing at your eyes over something that may or may not happen just yet.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 20:40:23 No.101468757 Report

Quoted By: >>101468829

>>101467915
You don't belong here

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 20:41:36 No.101468774 Report

Quoted By: >>101468904 >>101469035

>>101468548
>If they haven’t watched it
we saw enough, we saw an abysmal intro and a "magic stick" no-joke. Considering this is the promo they chose, it's the product they'll deliver. It's as simple as that.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 20:42:10 No.101468782 Report

Quoted By: >>101468873

>>101468614
He's talking about how in shoes like star VS some of the more complex sequences are outsourced to korea

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 20:42:48 No.101468790 Report

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>>101468653
>>Also Ed edd and Eddy look like children’s scribbles too.
Not even close.

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Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 20:44:13 No.101468815 Report

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>>101468532
>and a bunch of Social media princesses got offended their ivory tower could hear the rabble.
I’d get offended if someone threatened to shoot up my college as well. This isn’t just “I don’t like this” because I don’t like ROAR either. It looks bad, but the negative reception was blown out of proportion.

>People don't like what they see
Again, I don’t like what I see either. It’s bland, unfunny, and it’s just a coporate cashgrab to sell toys. However, I’m not witch hunting everyone who defends the show or telling people to die over it.

If you want to say it’s bad, make a first impressions video, and then wait until the show comes out or new information comes out.

Honestly ROAR isn’t even the worst of the “CalArts” style. Just take a look at the Cereal commercials. Not only are they disgusting abominations, but they also have cringe-inducing “hey look we’re regular show!” Humor. AND it’s TWEENED. AAAAAANNNNNND they unironically use sitcom laughter as it were the flinstones.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Oh54_GAM6zs

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 20:45:01 No.101468828 Report

Quoted By:

>>101467017
Those first two were really solid. I wonder if this guy is just trying to fit in with the cool kid opinions.

Personally I'd love to discuss animation with CalArts people, just to see what their influences might be and if they talk about more obscure content.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 20:45:03 No.101468829 Report

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>>101468757
>my secret club
You don't belong here.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 20:46:07 No.101468848 Report

Quoted By: >>101468871 >>101468932

>>101467867
They hate it because it's a whole lot of work anon. Bring up the classics like Land Before Time and Fievel to any shmuck old enough to have seen it when it came out and you'll basically always get a positive response. It's the people tied to animation who hate it because they just can't compete with how much talent and effort went into those films. They'll make up reasons like it moves too much or it's too cute, but if that were true then these works shouldn't be as widely popular as they are.

tl;dr: It makes other stuff look like shit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 20:46:15 No.101468850 Report

Quoted By:

>>101468612
>We have the hugbox demander who doesn't want people to create opinions on substancial previews because it's not out yet

I said INFORMED opinions. Y’know, the opinions you need when criticizing something.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 20:47:41 No.101468871 Report

Quoted By: >>101468989

>>101468848
This. It's jealousy. It's a nagging voice in their head that tells them losers shouldn't get trophies, and participation is nothing to be rewarded. It's the ache of wasted potential, the paranoid fear that they're frauds.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 20:47:43 No.101468873 Report

Quoted By: >>101469265

>>101468782
>some of the more complex sequences are outsourced to korea
the entire show is outsourced to korea. what fucking shows are only half-korean?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 20:48:17 No.101468877 Report

Quoted By:

>>101468532
How am I being purposefully obtuse?

>>101468638
I think you have me confused with someone else.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 20:48:56 No.101468887 Report

Quoted By:

>>101468693
Im not even a yesman. If the outrage was toned down to “yeah this look pretty garbage” and that’s it, then I’d agree with them. It’s just blown out of proportion to the point where I can’t agee with what they are doing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 20:50:00 No.101468901 Report

Quoted By: >>101469830

>>101466244
Hey Rock-A-Doodle was ok

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 20:50:04 No.101468902 Report

Quoted By: >>101469208 >>101469840 >>101470052

>>101465597
Don Bluth will never be outdated, also Don Bluth >>>>>>>>>>>>>> John K.

Also John K is the floatty one, Don Bluth was my generation's Hugh Harman/Rudolf Ising.
>>101465899
Those shows that end up in Korea still uses paper, it's The Philippines that switched to flash.
>>101466285
In short.
80s=Excellent.
90s=Shoddy.
>>101466894
>Sweat shop.
>Less then minimum wage
>Pays per drawing.
>99% of their staff that mattered left the company.
Fuck off, even OLM is better then this and thats only because of backing from Sho-Pro (Pokemon Co. license), Dentsu (Level 5 License) and Bandai Namco Pictures (as the studio is mostly reserved on Aikatsu).
>>101467294
Rough Draft and a few other Korean studios still use cells for inking and Sazae-San kept on using them for some episodes from 2012 to 2017 when they finally went 100% digital because the Chinese studio that was doing the cel paining went under.
>>101467305
Fixed. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wGQHQc_3ycE
>>101466362
Not true, you're thinking of John K.
>>101466448
No they're talking about the 9 old men, or at least Eric Goldberd, not Bluth, it's only when you're talking about LaserDisc games then it goes straight into Bluth, regardless that he only did 3 of them.
>>101466570
That was back in the 50s.
>>101466858
70s really (Banjo The Woodpile Cat).
>>101467435
>>>I'm sorry bro, but no one's gonna save cartoons or animated movies,
>Not knowing about The Legend of The Three Caballeros, the show that fixed everything Avatar:TLA fucked up.
>Not knowing that Warner Bros is making new proper Looney Tunes shorts that are done mostly in the States with some shorts done in Canada and France.

http://www.animationscoop.com/warner-bros-animation-launches-new-short-form-content-program-looney-tunes-cartoons/

>Not knowing about Animaniacs season 6.
>>101467488
CalArts existed before Don Bluth entered the industry.
>>101467674
No just the writing was bad as the animation was excellent, which was the best part of the film

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 20:50:10 No.101468904 Report

Quoted By:

>>101468774
Hey, it spread everywhere else, gotta fight it at its source, eh?
But I actually watched all of this unfold since day 1

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 20:51:05 No.101468929 Report

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>>101465919
Secret of Nimh did not make as much but American Tail was a huge success while Disney released Great Mouse Detective after Black Cauldron and did poorly with both. Then they were considering just shutting down the animation department completely.

Bluth did it again with Land Before Time which finally got Disney to get up off their asses because they saw that someone else was soundly beating them.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 20:51:14 No.101468932 Report

Quoted By: >>101469151

>>101468848
>classics like Land Before Time and Fievel

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Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 20:51:47 No.101468944 Report

Quoted By: >>101469048 >>101469631

>>101468114
Lots of antic doesn't make things better. Flash cartoons usually ratchet up the antic and overshoot and settle and it looks like sloshing mops to me.

Pic related. Two frames antic, two frames overshoot, two frames settle, pose. When you write it down it doesn't seem like a lot, but this is a TINY motion. There should be no antic or overshoot when a character leans two inches to the left. This shows a great misunderstanding of the principles animation.

If a motion is broad, it should have a couple of frames of antic.
If a motion is broad and fast, it should have a couple of frames of overshoot.
If a motion is broad, fast, and heavy, it should have antic, overshoot, and settle.
A very light object should have no overshoot but lots of settle (a feather)
A very heavy object should have lots of anticipation but no settle (a sledgehammer)
Antic-overshoot-settle is not mandatory, it's not even good most of the time.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 20:52:30 No.101468959 Report

Quoted By:

>>101466448
The "Disney style" at least had more to it than just being an extension of modern animation cutting costs, and had some artistic merit to it

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Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 20:53:39 No.101468975 Report

Quoted By:

>Cal Arts criticizing Don Bluth of all people

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 20:54:35 No.101468989 Report

Quoted By: >>101469224 >>101469631 >>101469866

>>101468871
So it's not even possible that it has something to do with Bluth teaching dated techniques? He's great and I'd love to see him get more work, but I understand how learning from him doesn't prepare you well enough for the industry as it is today. It's a shame for sure, but there's just not much 2D animation one could do in America.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 20:56:03 No.101469009 Report

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>>101468632
Nailed it. Notice too that Bluth isn't asking ten grand for a writing class, but an animation one.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 20:57:08 No.101469019 Report

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>>101465956
Bluth is a great animator and is amazing at making an incredibly beautiful scene. But he is completely shit at storytelling. His best work was when he was under scrutiny of Amblin or Universal and other were over his shoulder telling him to not do certain things or add in things. Apparently Bluth hated all of that and tried to become 100% free of oversight, then he made totally shit movies that he later wanted his name removed from.

As soon as he had total creative control he started making shit like Pebble and the Penguin and Troll in Central Park. He made American Tail with Spielberg standing over him constantly telling him to change things. (which he hated every second of it)

>>101465984
Yea, he is insane about the technical aspects of something and how it can be made to look better. He is very skilled there. He is more into trying to cram as many super advanced Fantasia styled tricks into a 2 second shot to make it look as ridiculously complex as possible. He basically is to 30's and 40's era Disney movies what John K is to 50's and 60's tv animation.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 20:58:10 No.101469035 Report

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>>101468774
The “magic slicing stick” was just unfunny, didn’t even get a smile out of me, but at least it wasn’t cringeworthy. It was just meh. Far better than “Satur-YAY-YUHHHH” and “BOOTY KICK”

You are allowed to form a first impression, but you can’t act like you’ve watched the entire show just by looking at this preview. What I’m saying is that you can’t make an informed critique on this because you’ll have no idea what you are talking about.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 20:58:22 No.101469038 Report

Quoted By:

>>101466144
or is he the Seinfeld IN Animation?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 20:59:12 No.101469048 Report

Quoted By:

>>101468944
I guess i just prefer it that way, but I do understand your point.

You need a balance.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 20:59:30 No.101469050 Report

Quoted By:

>>101468583
Holy shit you're retarded. My response was about the folly in artist communities who do nothing but compliment each other despite the content being undeserving of compliment. You should be in summer school instead of posting here with reading comprehension like yours.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 21:00:36 No.101469068 Report

Quoted By:

>>101466144
No it does not, you're thinking of Glen Kennedy as Don Bluth has excellent animation.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 21:01:31 No.101469079 Report

Quoted By:

>>101465717
>Can animate wacky anthropomorphic animals without being accused of being a furfag like the good old loony tunes days.

Where the fuck do i sign up?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 21:01:34 No.101469081 Report

Quoted By:

>>101465717
Those medicine wolves are top tier, watch yourself.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 21:01:54 No.101469089 Report

Quoted By:

>>101466362
The parody looks ten times better than every other episode of Family Guy.

Plus Bluth was a Disney animator for years before quitting and forming his own studio. He actually wanted to go back to the princesses and singing animals when Disney was doing shit like Rescuers, Fox and the Hound, and Black Cauldron.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 21:02:51 No.101469108 Report

Quoted By: >>101469123

>>101467788
Calarts people are the ones always acting like this style is good because its the new style or whatever.
They chose to own this style fag.

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Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 21:02:57 No.101469110 Report

Quoted By: >>101469130 >>101469531 >>101470518 >>101471282 >>101471531

People pretending they don't want to see this movie.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 21:03:33 No.101469123 Report

Quoted By: >>101469236

>>101469108
Who is "calarts people"?

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Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 21:03:58 No.101469130 Report

Quoted By: >>101469531

>>101469110

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Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 21:05:25 No.101469151 Report

Quoted By:

>>101468932
Are they not classic Bluth movies? Or are you just out of arguments?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 21:06:38 No.101469171 Report

Quoted By: >>101469204 >>101469252

>>101466708
why pepe is red?
is this another leftist cant meme?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 21:08:38 No.101469204 Report

Quoted By:

>>101469171
That's Pepe's Boomer dad, Bebe

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 21:09:10 No.101469208 Report

Quoted By: >>101469436

>>101468902
>>Not knowing about The Legend of The Three Caballeros, the show that fixed everything Avatar:TLA fucked up.

Could you expand on this? Sounds interesting.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 21:09:57 No.101469224 Report

Quoted By: >>101470306

>>101468989
Animation doesn't change anon, what works then still works now. Tweening a bunch of symbols can literally be taught in an evening.

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Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 21:10:07 No.101469228 Report

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>>101465597
I want to punch someone.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 21:10:18 No.101469236 Report

Quoted By: >>101469261

>>101469123
fags like this>>101465603
Who try to push the idea that this is just the freshest style not garbage and that high effort art is of the past. Purely to minimize the effort they themselves have to put in to make money.

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Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 21:11:00 No.101469252 Report

Quoted By: >>101469284

>>101469171
It's the leftists trying to make fun of us again

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 21:11:43 No.101469259 Report

Quoted By: >>101470042

>>101466750
Shit, Michaelangelo used to get bitchy and shout at his patrons. and those were wealthy noble Italian dons would would have someone and all their children skinned alive for mildly annoying them.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 21:11:45 No.101469261 Report

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>>101469236
>some random twitter screencap is enough to justify calling it the calarts style even though it has nothing to do with the school

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 21:11:54 No.101469265 Report

Quoted By: >>101469400

>>101468873
You're wrong. Daron actually does some of tweening in house.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 21:12:17 No.101469273 Report

Quoted By: >>101469302 >>101470778

>>101467214
Not at all. I've listened to people who worked on Dragon's Lair, they destroyed forests with how much paper they used and each frame was tirelessly worked on. The difference is time and effort. Money does factor into it, but simply throwing money at the crewniverse team wouldn't equate to a better product.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 21:12:49 No.101469284 Report

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>>101469252
>getting this ass-damaged over a meme that doesn't even have anything to do with you

but i thought liberals were the thin-skinned snowflakes?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 21:13:35 No.101469296 Report

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>>101467435
Hell even if you aren't into the coding aspect you could always submit concept art or contribute to the game's aesthetic by drawing in character or monster frames or whatever, while still doing other stuff on the side. Vidya is where the market is and indie developers are happy to take all the artistic support they can get.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 21:13:51 No.101469302 Report

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>>101469273
Time is money, friend, every movie and tv show has a deadline and you're getting paid to make something exist right then and there.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 21:14:54 No.101469318 Report

Quoted By: >>101469375

>>101466851
Try working with them, where at least three of them start sperging about how ugly everything in Hercules looked. Somehow the angular noses on the main characters triggered them so they joked about that being Disney's ugliest movie.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 21:17:50 No.101469375 Report

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>>101469318
Man I didn't know a group of people existed I could hate this much.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 21:19:05 No.101469393 Report

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>>101466244
ive seen all of the shitty movies hes pumped out and.. I dont know, they could be 100% better if they went through afew re-writes or atleast get fucking diffrent voice actors for once.

We get it Don you love to use the same 3 VA's over and over again because your best buds and they work cheep BECAUSE they are your buds.

>Titan AE.
I.. might need to re-watch it, thought it was 'Long jhon silver but in space' movie disney pumped out. oh well im gay.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 21:19:22 No.101469400 Report

Quoted By: >>101469494

>>101469265
Source?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 21:20:06 No.101469410 Report

Quoted By: >>101469447 >>101469738 >>101470207

Don Bluth is basically the polar opposite of everything modern Calarts cartoonists stand for

>Calarts style is off model and easy to do, board driven and modular in nature, very lax management and you're guaranteed to have a great time since you're not really doing any hard work besides rudimentary animatics that get sent to korea, focus on storytelling

>Bluth's style is religiously on model and difficult to the point where people who want to emulate it are just investing into 3d software that can emulate the look as a rig, extremely difficult, tense management that requires you to push yourself in an oftentimes unhealthy and obsessive way since all the animation is done inhouse, focus is on the craft of animation

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 21:20:53 No.101469430 Report

Quoted By: >>101469558

>>101467116
Yea it's true, but probably not to the degree that he means. Video game media has largely replaced a lot of tv/film viewing as the main target consumable media. Especially the current era of incredibly cheap phone games and indy shit that floods the market today.

the brain drain part is correct. People who really want to try out new things or make something visually impressive do move towards games since there is a much bigger amount of personal freedom there. Most game companies will just contract to a studio to make so many frames and not really give a shit about the final product, just that it is done on time and within budget. It's good money with much less scrutiny, and there is a lot more work to be found in the game market overall. People working in tv are people who specifically WANT to work on tv as opposed to finding the best ones suited for the job.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 21:21:13 No.101469436 Report

Quoted By: >>101469506 >>101470008

>>101469208
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzSeNuMLHgc

Sure it's flash, but one of the studios behind it is Mercury Filmworks, also no Asian studios and the show itself is excellent.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 21:21:40 No.101469447 Report

Quoted By:

>>101469410
how does it feel to get your knowledge from 4chan memes

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 21:22:26 No.101469467 Report

Quoted By: >>101469567

>>101465755
>what are the French

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 21:22:55 No.101469475 Report

Quoted By: >>101469615 >>101469878

>>101465597

Considering his/her? demo reel, its kinda weird to hate on bluth, its like shes trying to emulate him poorly while also shitting on him.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k57hUCz-JWc

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 21:23:34 No.101469494 Report

Quoted By:

>>101469400
Oh wait it appears I was wrong
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.businessinsider.com/disney-animator-shares-best-and-worst-parts-of-her-job-2015-3

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Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 21:24:20 No.101469506 Report

Quoted By: >>101469597

>>101469436
Not like Flash can't be used to great effect.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 21:24:56 No.101469516 Report

Quoted By:

>>101465619
The problem is unless you are working for one of Disney movie divisions there no budget for expensive detailed animation and before you bring up japan most anime animates like shit and the whole industry stays aflot by taking advantage of young enthusiasts who will put up with anything to work in that industry

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 21:25:40 No.101469531 Report

Quoted By: >>101469826 >>101471157

>>101469110
>>101469130
That's traced, isn't it?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 21:26:12 No.101469541 Report

Quoted By:

>>101467831

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 21:27:02 No.101469558 Report

Quoted By:

>>101469430
For sure. Tossing your art contributions to a bunch of independent projects in the hope one of them becomes the next Undertale or Cuphead or at least sells enough to 5 y/o phone junkies who don't know any better feels a hell of a lot more realizable and reliable than throwing yourself into the oversaturated and competitive field of cartoon animation.

Ideally dabbling in both would work, since connections and having a wider breadth of experience and people who know you is the best plan, but don't expect an animation project to pick you up before a video game project does in most cases.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 21:27:30 No.101469567 Report

Quoted By:

>>101469467
Outside of Asterix and Oggy they're 20 times worse then Canada.

Early Dic does not count as those shows were made in Japan and by the time they got to Gadget they moved their HQ to the States.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 21:28:49 No.101469597 Report

Quoted By:

>>101469506
The Legend of The Three Caballeros >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (X9001)>>>>>>>>Dofus.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 21:29:58 No.101469615 Report

Quoted By: >>101469878

>>101469475
May he/she liked Bluth in the past and someone looked at his works and said "hah, that looks like Bluth, what a piece of shit" and he started to hate him to look cool to this person or group of persons

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 21:30:32 No.101469625 Report

Quoted By:

Speaking of Bluth, was Titan AE any good?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 21:30:52 No.101469631 Report

Quoted By: >>101470306

>>101467742
>>101468944
Huh, I actually learned something today. I still think that Bluth's work is still fun to watch, but I understand your points and can see why some people think Bluth's work is 'bad' on a technical level.

>>101468989
The techniques themselves haven't changed that much when animation's 'rules' were more or less established decades ago. The tools have changed, and some of the processes became easier, but motion tweens and automated animation pale in comparison to a master's hand-drawn work (not literally). There are ways to cut corners while maintaining a good-looking product, like Samurai Jack's drawn-out walking scenes, or liberal use of 'impact frames' to convey weight in early PPG episodes, but those don't seem to be in fashion anymore and whatever cost-cutting techniques they're teaching the new talent aren't cutting it for me.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 21:31:49 No.101469651 Report

Quoted By:

>>101468063
how is it dated?
except in the sense of not teaching new technologies like flash tweening and puppetry, it covers pretty much all the basics and then some of 2d frame by frame

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 21:32:39 No.101469663 Report

Quoted By:

>>101467426
Come and make me, tough guy.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 21:35:03 No.101469713 Report

Quoted By:

>>101468099
>Just get off Twitter for 5 seconds you whiny mother fuckers
Try telling that to OP

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 21:35:15 No.101469719 Report

Quoted By: >>101471955

>>101467416
This is how I feel about his stuff, I rewatched The Pebble and the Penguin recently (awful) and the incessant need to constantly have every character always moving made the main penguin come across as more autistic than was probably intended.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 21:36:08 No.101469738 Report

Quoted By:

>>101469410
>focus on storytelling
>modern calarts
they are using the same stories for years now there's no differences between any show they make, same MC, same girl, same plots.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 21:36:10 No.101469739 Report

Quoted By: >>101469795 >>101470234

>>101468387
>thinking the administration should respect, let alone acknowledge a obscure dated /r9k/ meme,
>actually believing school is in the wrong, and not the idiot making threats because his furry show looks different for what he knew
>all this when mass shootings happen every couple of days

go outside and talk to somebody

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 21:38:38 No.101469769 Report

Quoted By:

>>101467742
"Sloshing" is a good way to describe it IMO. I don't know anything about animation so I'm just speaking as a casual viewer, but it feels like everyone is always moving and there's nothing... centered about it, I guess.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 21:38:42 No.101469770 Report

Quoted By:

>>101465597
As much as I respect Pantoja as an animator, holy fuck this is stupid "overflowy animation" animation isn't supposed to be fucking stiff moving from position to position. Yeah, there are different ways to animate than Don Bluth's and they're equally valid but holy fuck this is pretentious modernist bullshit.

What even brought this on? Not 2 years ago he was doing a homage to Bluth's work.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 21:40:28 No.101469795 Report

Quoted By:

>>101469739
the person who tweeted the /r9k/ meme lived in fucking brazil
the administration shouldn't be taking twitter death threats seriously

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 21:40:38 No.101469800 Report

Quoted By: >>101470234

>>101468387
>imply that you're going to go shoot up a school
>in a time where America has a school shooting
practically every week
>"lmao it was just a joke you normie faggots just don't understand memespeak"

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 21:41:22 No.101469807 Report

Quoted By:

>>101467522
Range ban the entirety of the west coast and Australia.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 21:42:38 No.101469826 Report

Quoted By: >>101470511 >>101471157

>>101469531
Doesn't seem like it, looking through her DA it looks like she's pretty much a master at Bluth's artstyle

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 21:42:44 No.101469830 Report

Quoted By:

>>101468901
I disagree but I enjoy Bartok the Magnificent, so I'm not really in a place to judge.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 21:42:58 No.101469832 Report

Quoted By:

>>101467735
Thundercats and OKKO is nit made by Calarts.

Man, you know that you are an idiot when your EXAMPLES for why you hate Calarts come from shows that had nothing to do with Calarts.

Actualy the shows that /co/ comolains more come from people who NEVER WENT TO CALARTS OR ACTIVELY TRY TO NOT HIRE PEOPLE FROM THERE TO GIVE OTHERS A CHANCE (like SU does).

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 21:43:45 No.101469840 Report

Quoted By: >>101469869

>>101468902
Fuck off Famicom.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 21:44:57 No.101469866 Report

Quoted By: >>101470306

>>101468989
Animation is animation retard.

In fact, the classic animation techniques SHOULD BE FUCKING EASIER WITH MODERN TECHNOLOGY.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 21:45:05 No.101469869 Report

Quoted By: >>101469892 >>101469915

>>101469840
He's been at this for years, I don't think he's gonna leave

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 21:45:40 No.101469878 Report

Quoted By:

>>101469615
>>101469475
He's a guy, some manner of phillipino or something. He does streams teaching animation with a face cam, I don't got caps and the recordings are patreon exclusive, but you can see it in them

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 21:46:34 No.101469892 Report

Quoted By:

>>101469869
I see no TMS in this post, how is this Famicom.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 21:48:07 No.101469915 Report

Quoted By:

>>101469869
I see no TMS in that post; How is this Famicom?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 21:50:04 No.101469941 Report

Quoted By:

calarts was a mistake

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 21:53:29 No.101470000 Report

Quoted By:

>>101466958
First making something like Doom eternal into a movie would not be as fun as crushing the Demon skulls yourself.

Classic games were actually anticinematic and most relied on scripts to tell a story before the cinematic plague began and took control from the player, some games can actually be turned into a flick with little issues others are plain impossible given their market.

Second traditional western animation suffered its biggest blow with a medium change from theaters to TV and the constant growth of the notion that kids were the only market in the West, back in the day cartoons were even used to brief soldiers and Americans were the masters of iconography, after the medium switch you can see a drop in trust in the animation industry.

Games helped but not on a cinematic angle, it was a media mix project called Pokémon that made people realize it was easier to import a franchise than create it.

Couple that with the lack of trust in animation as a medium and the japanese organized capitalism in the form of media mix projects and there is little grounds for TV animation to compete in the market.

The problem starts and end in America, those with money don't trust in animation outside of kid pandering and even then they are incompetent as fuck in getting all "of the money" due to an inability to go full inhouse when compared to Japan.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 21:53:48 No.101470008 Report

Quoted By: >>101470014 >>101470030

>>101469436
If it's Mercury than isn't it more likely ToonBoom?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 21:54:16 No.101470014 Report

Quoted By:

>>101470008
Pertty much.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 21:55:13 No.101470027 Report

Quoted By: >>101470060

>>101465597
>>101465603

While I actually agree that Bluth's animations are too flowy, I don't see how this makes him a bad teacher. Principles don't change, and a student does not necessarily take on the teacher's style.

This is /ic/ levels of crabbery. I see he's selling his own animation tutorials on Patreon, which makes these posts seem even more tasteless and petty. Where are those animators who defend everything an animator does?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 21:55:19 No.101470030 Report

Quoted By:

>>101470008
Pretty much.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 21:56:09 No.101470042 Report

Quoted By:

>>101469259
That’s because Michelangelo was practically raised by the Medici and knew Pope Leo X and Clement VII since forever. At that point you can tell any rich guy to fuck off because you know the pope. Also he told the pope to fuck off because he knew the guy since lads. He wouldn’t be that ballsy without those connections.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 21:56:24 No.101470052 Report

Quoted By: >>101470208

It really is astonishing just how bad Korean studios are these days: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c6r872bIru8

>>101468902
Fuck off Famicom.
>Rough Draft and a few other Korean studios still use cells for inking
Why the fuck would anyone use cels for inking if you're not using them for paint and photography you brainded fuck.
>Not knowing about Animaniacs season 6
It's a reboot, not season 6, the entire writing team and probably most everyone else in a non-voice role (with the possible exception of those storyboard artists still at WB) are gone and not being rehired.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 21:56:47 No.101470060 Report

Quoted By: >>101470118 >>101470842

>>101470027
Not true, John K is the overly flowy one, not Don Bluth.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 21:59:54 No.101470118 Report

Quoted By:

>>101470060
FUCK OFF FAMICOM

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Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 22:01:45 No.101470148 Report

Quoted By: >>101471449

>be constantly compared to don bluth
>everyone around you is saying don bluth is terrible
>literally cannot take the hint
Imagine being him right now

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 22:02:13 No.101470160 Report

Quoted By:

>>101465597
thats funy that outside of cal arts cal arts is universally considered a joke

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Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 22:02:47 No.101470172 Report

Quoted By: >>101470286

If it makes anyone feel better, Don Bluth setting up his studio in Ireland would have helped set up the industry there, which in turn led to one of the more successful western, modern traditional animation studios being created.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 22:04:42 No.101470207 Report

Quoted By:

>>101469410
>Bluth's style is religiously on model

Your lack of knownldge about animation and about Don is honestly making me fucking PISSED.

DON IS RELIGIOUSLY ON MODEL? Do you even known what that is?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 22:04:46 No.101470208 Report

Quoted By: >>101470265 >>101470293 >>101470842

>>101470052
Someone posted a picture about SATFOE' inking process and pointed out that Rough Draft (along side their work on SU) still uses cels for inking when Sunburst is 100% digital.

>TLDR; Rough Draft still uses cels for inking for some projects but the coloring is still done digitally, inked cels are then washed to be reused for the next episode.

>Animaniacs
TMS is still attached due to Takeshi Koike doing the promo image and that most likely Kazuhide Tomonaga & Yoshinobu Michihata will be key animators on it.
>Please make a Warners meet Lupin & Jigen episode.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 22:06:27 No.101470234 Report

Quoted By:

>>101469739
>>101469800
Are you going to freak out over the navy seal copypasta too?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 22:07:32 No.101470259 Report

Quoted By: >>101470329

>>101465597
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
DONT CRITIZISE CAL ARTS, I PAID A LOT OF MONEY TO GO THERE
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 22:07:40 No.101470263 Report

Quoted By:

>>101467831
my brain says no, but my dick says yes

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 22:07:45 No.101470265 Report

Quoted By: >>101470413 >>101470842

>>101470208
There is a difference between hand-inking on paper and photocopying on cels. Why the hell would anyone use the latter if you're just going to scan, color, and photograph it digitally?

And those are not TMS Warners, those are firmly WB Warners. TMS was stiffer and more angular.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 22:08:47 No.101470286 Report

Quoted By: >>101470381 >>101470384 >>101470422

>>101470172
Not true, their first major film (TSOK) was nothing but sucking Butch Hartman's cock (which is fine if you like Butch like I do but it's not ok if you're talking about the industry in a serous matter) when the picture you posted is copying late 50s Toei.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 22:09:03 No.101470293 Report

Quoted By: >>101470413 >>101471257

>>101470208
Did you confuse a piece of paper for a cel? SU is done on paper than scanned and colored digitally. Nobody uses cels anymore.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 22:10:08 No.101470306 Report

Quoted By: >>101470912 >>101471087

>>101469224
>>101469866
>>101469631
The methods do, especially when people are looking for cheaper and faster ways to out out content using new tools and relying heavily on CGI. It's like striving for 2D excellence is great and all but everyone but the people who illegally download the Thief and the Cobbler decades later lose.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 22:11:38 No.101470329 Report

Quoted By: >>101472134

>>101470259
How do you fair in casual conversation? Do you jump to the worst conclusions with anyone you converse with? How about your friends and family?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 22:14:27 No.101470365 Report

Quoted By: >>101472420

>>101466244
Titan AE was far from perfect but it's a way better movie than most give it credit for.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 22:15:44 No.101470381 Report

Quoted By:

>>101470286
Anon what in my post made you think I was talking about style?

I'm talking about the creation of Sullivan Bluth Studios which majorly boosted the Irish animation industry and the creation of more animation schools (just look past the blow which the collapse caused, they got over it) which later gave birth to Cartoon Saloon.

Seriously, why is everything about style with /co/.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 22:15:50 No.101470384 Report

Quoted By:

>>101470286
>Secret of the Kells is based on Butch Hartman

I may be a fucking idiot when it comes to animation but it warms my heart knowing that even if I tried, I still couldn't come up with the kind of idiotic bullshit Famicom parrots with absolute certainty in spite of all indisputable evidence to the contrary.

>HAMTARO IS THE TRUE SUCCESSOR TO LOONEY TUNES

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 22:17:21 No.101470413 Report

Quoted By: >>101470455 >>101470507 >>101471257

>>101470265
No they use cels, SMIP inks on paper.

90s TMS (and their main staff) is (are) not stiff, there were a influx of stiff animators in the 80s but TMS laid off those people after how badly Akira bombed forcing them to find Disney Japan/Spectrum which is where all of those bland and stiff animators went.

And Takeshi Koike originated at Madhouse who does things differently then TMS, and thats a good thing.
>>101470293
SMIP episode, also that scene was animated by a US Soldier who was stationed in South Korea who did this for his kid who was living with his mom (the kid's mom) in Utah.

Rough Draft inks with cels.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 22:18:10 No.101470422 Report

Quoted By:

>>101470286
So you just feel like posting random bullshit today?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 22:18:35 No.101470433 Report

Quoted By:

>>101465597
>Stop saying mean things about people in the industry!!! They work so haaard!!
>Anyways, Bluth is shit, watch my friend's quirky bean-mouth cartoon instead!

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 22:19:06 No.101470438 Report

Quoted By:

>>101465603
>Toniko is a well-know, popular, notable animator. Probably going to be one of the future big power players alongside people like Hirsch and Rebecca Sugar
>Still has these newbie contrarian thoughts for the sake of playing devil's advocate

Mother fucker acts like he's a freshman in college who understands the world now, not an experienced animator with a hefty resume.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 22:19:24 No.101470450 Report

Quoted By:

>>101465597
>>101465603
>Don Bluth will die in your lifetime

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 22:19:37 No.101470453 Report

Quoted By:

>>101467519
>He’s right because he’s right.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 22:19:41 No.101470455 Report

Quoted By: >>101470493 >>101470507 >>101470543

>>101470413
Proof?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 22:20:24 No.101470468 Report

Quoted By:

>>101466189
loser

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 22:21:45 No.101470493 Report

Quoted By: >>101470566

>>101470455
I can tell out Koike's art style.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 22:21:52 No.101470495 Report

Quoted By:

>>101466268
>the animation is TOO good!

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 22:22:31 No.101470504 Report

Quoted By: >>101471104 >>101471177 >>101471223 >>101472852 >>101473072

>>101467513
>working for pennies

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 22:22:46 No.101470507 Report

Quoted By: >>101470568

>>101470413
>90s TMS (and their main staff) is (are) not stiff
Stiffer than that promo art, which has the exact same looseness as 90s WB promo art.

>Rough Draft inks with cels.
Again, what possible benefit do they get from doing this? It's not like people have hand-inked cels since the 60s anyway.

>>101470455
Don't bother, I'm fairly sure Famicom has some sort of mental disorder.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 22:23:08 No.101470511 Report

Quoted By:

>>101469826
This is really well done.

Great rendition of that scene.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 22:23:48 No.101470518 Report

Quoted By:

>>101469110
I genuinely don't.

He'd better do something different with the characters than this.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 22:23:57 No.101470520 Report

Quoted By: >>101470548 >>101470582 >>101471331

>>101465597
He's so right.

Look at this animation, it's hideous and outdated.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 22:25:41 No.101470543 Report

Quoted By: >>101470616

>>101470455
Give him a minute, he'll misuse google translate on TMS' cafeteria menu and end up with proof and a news of a new Ducktales reboot. A NEWER one.

Remember when he was going around saying Genndy Tartakovsky stole the concept for Symbionic Titan from Osamu Dezaki because Dezaki worked on Bionic Six? And both shows have bionic in the title? Remember how he was doing it not a day after Dezaki died? What a fucking spineless greasy cocksucker.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 22:26:20 No.101470547 Report

Quoted By:

>>101465903
i don't even like steven universe but the S1 character designs are great

i hate seeing the new midget steven

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 22:26:27 No.101470548 Report

Quoted By:

>>101470520
>Look at this animation
Nice try Satan, you're not breaking my nofap

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 22:27:20 No.101470566 Report

Quoted By: >>101470618

>>101470493
That's cool and all but do you have any proof that they use cels?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 22:27:27 No.101470568 Report

Quoted By: >>101470602 >>101470618

>>101470507
No it does not, their art is very loose, not super loose but still and Koike originated at Madhouse which matches that picture to a T since TMS and Madhouse are not the same type of studio.

>Again, what possible benefit do they get from doing this?
They just feel like it which adds to cost.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 22:28:16 No.101470582 Report

Quoted By: >>101470654

>>101470520
>Hot mouse thot
BEGONE, TEMPTATION

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 22:29:38 No.101470602 Report

Quoted By: >>101470641

>>101470568
>They just feel like it

what
that's not how a business operates

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 22:30:36 No.101470616 Report

Quoted By: >>101470639 >>101471357

>>101470543
May I remind you that Disney rejected TMS for costing to much and that they had to say "we're sorry" by doing The Legend of The Three Caballeros?

I'm not getting into Titan's drama and thats Orbots not Bionic Six.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 22:30:40 No.101470618 Report

Quoted By: >>101470699

>>101470568
>They just feel like it which adds to cost.
No fucking Korean studio "just feels like" doing something massively expensive for zero gain. No one would hire them if they were actually pulling this shit.

>No it does not, their art is very loose, not super loose but still and Koike originated at Madhouse which matches that picture to a T since TMS and Madhouse are not the same type of studio.
Alright, I'll humour you, give me an example of Koike's style that proves that he drew the Animaniacs promo art.

>>101470566
In his schizophrenic mind, probably. In reality? Nada.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 22:31:35 No.101470637 Report

Quoted By:

I swear to god I thought he was dead.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 22:31:41 No.101470639 Report

Quoted By:

>>101470616
You're changing your stories again Famicom, get your lies straight.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 22:31:45 No.101470641 Report

Quoted By: >>101470653

>>101470602
Samsung & LG says hi, also they do work like that in South Korea.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 22:32:20 No.101470653 Report

Quoted By:

>>101470641
What the fuck does that even mean?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 22:32:24 No.101470654 Report

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>>101470582
she likes hooking up with underage street mice, too

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 22:33:25 No.101470671 Report

Quoted By: >>101470726 >>101471377

Famicom, what mental illness forces you to do this shit?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 22:34:41 No.101470699 Report

Quoted By: >>101470777

>>101470618
>No fucking Korean studio "just feels like" doing something massively expensive for zero gain. No one would hire them if they were actually pulling this shit.
May I remind you that they pay 21,000 won a hour making them one of the more pricier studios in South Korea.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 22:34:52 No.101470706 Report

Quoted By: >>101471400

>>101466362
>le disney hates JEWS XD
i'm pretty sure the only reason this myth is still around even though it's been disproven is because of seth mcfarlane's massive hateboner for disney

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 22:35:46 No.101470726 Report

Quoted By:

>>101470671
It's not shit but I cry for help way too much.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 22:36:55 No.101470748 Report

Quoted By:

>>101465597
As if I needed more reasons to puke on Calarts...

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 22:37:29 No.101470758 Report

Quoted By: >>101470821 >>101471534

>in 5 years, Calarts style will be outdated
>in 50 years, Bluth will still be classic
really makes ya think

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 22:38:36 No.101470777 Report

Quoted By: >>101470828

>>101470699
Paying higher wages to attract better workers has jack fucking shit to do with going full retard and doing inking (and nothing else) on cels for no reason.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 22:38:39 No.101470778 Report

Quoted By:

>>101469273
It might actually result in a worse product, since they simply don't have the applicable skills and nothing like the work ethic.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 22:40:00 No.101470800 Report

Quoted By:

>>101467294
The first couple of episodes of season 4 EEnE used cels and that was around 2002

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 22:40:53 No.101470821 Report

Quoted By:

>>101470758
Honestly I think the reason so many people are circling the wagons in defense of the current industry style is because they can't ignore what everyone else has been saying for a while now:
It's already outdated and they want to basically deny it up and down to delay the inevitable.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 22:41:10 No.101470828 Report

Quoted By: >>101470863 >>101470872

>>101470777
You can't use basic logic on Famicom, he'll go on a spastic tangent and start ranting about his latest mastubatory fantasy. Usually one involving underage children and Bugs Bunny.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 22:41:56 No.101470842 Report

Quoted By: >>101470852 >>101470922 >>101471019

I get that CalArts is bad, but I don't see Don's course doing all that well, especially combined with both his luck (or rather, lack thereof) in the industry and the fact he's getting up there in year, so it seems a little late to do something like this. It just comes off as a second-rate clone or Richard Williams' course and book than anything.

>>101470208
Source or GTFO Famicom. And speaking of...

>>101470060
Can't we just away they're both overly flowy, but in different ways?

>>101470265
Plus WB has relationships with both Snipple and Digital eMation (along with Korean studios like Dr. Movie). What's stopping WB from just farming it out to them? Hell, I've been watching the Wacky Races reboot and Snipple's not doing that bad a job on it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 22:42:28 No.101470845 Report

Quoted By:

>>101465717
Unironicly sounds better than working in modern tv animation.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 22:42:55 No.101470852 Report

Quoted By:

>>101470842
>CalArts is bad
Give me a reason that isn't "/co/ said so".

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 22:43:01 No.101470856 Report

Quoted By: >>101470870

>>101467305
>five minute or less animations with decent budgets look better than 2 hour long animations with slightly more budget
gee i wonder why the shorter ones look better

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 22:43:27 No.101470863 Report

Quoted By: >>101470897

>>101470828
I am not a furry and I am not a pedo.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 22:43:53 No.101470868 Report

Quoted By:

>>101465834
That's right goy, art forms that don't make me money should die out!

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 22:43:58 No.101470870 Report

Quoted By:

>>101470856
Blizzard cinematics also take like an entire goddamn year just for a short trailer.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 22:44:07 No.101470872 Report

Quoted By: >>101471417

>>101470828
I know that full well, but it's fun to see what bullshit he'll pull out of his ass this time.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 22:44:16 No.101470880 Report

Quoted By: >>101470933 >>101470943

>antiquated animation styles aren't marketable

Didn't cuphead make an obscene amount of money?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 22:45:40 No.101470894 Report

Quoted By:

>>101468063
>dated
Yeah, How would you handle the uncanny valley? Flash tweening and CGI have this problem for years.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 22:45:41 No.101470897 Report

Quoted By:

>>101470863
You see how he gave me an extremely specific denial and completely ignored your pertinent question? Textbook Famicom.

/a/ deletes his threads on sight and we have to put up with him here on /co/ because moderation is nonexistent.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 22:46:16 No.101470903 Report

Quoted By: >>101470920

>tfw 2D animation student who doesn't go to CalArts
>tfw majority of animators right now are from CalArts
a-at least i'm not CalArts

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 22:46:59 No.101470912 Report

Quoted By: >>101471782

>>101470306
The same principals apply they don't just fucking vanish. What you're saying is limited animation which requires the same fucking understanding as normal animation. It's the same with CGI, arcs of motion still follow timing and spacing. It's obvious you're talking out of your ass.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 22:47:48 No.101470920 Report

Quoted By: >>101470925

>>101470903
SVA?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 22:47:54 No.101470922 Report

Quoted By: >>101470964 >>101470980 >>101473733

>>101470842
>Source?
Koike works for TMS.

>Flowy
Only John K is flowy, Don Bluth is not as Don Bluth is excellent and will always be better then John K, also Don Bluth is not a pedo when John K is.

>What's stopping WB from just farming it out to them?
Legal issues and this is a Japanese X US co-production to avoid another Pinky Elmyra and The Brain.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 22:48:01 No.101470925 Report

Quoted By:

>>101470920
Pratt

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 22:48:21 No.101470933 Report

Quoted By:

>>101470880
That would only seem to reinforce this post >>101466958 where all the money in animation these days is in videogames. But you're absolutely right, there's demand out there for all sorts of animation that are no longer considered profitable by the mainstream, the trick is in getting the money out of it.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 22:48:53 No.101470943 Report

Quoted By:

>>101470880
yep

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 22:49:43 No.101470964 Report

Quoted By:

>>101470922
>also Don Bluth is not a pedo when John K is.
why can't woman argument without virtue signal?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 22:50:23 No.101470980 Report

Quoted By: >>101471001

>>101470922
Holy shit just give us a fucking source for your claims.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 22:51:02 No.101470997 Report

Quoted By:

>>101465801
From America? I wish to see this magical shitton of which you speak.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 22:51:17 No.101471001 Report

Quoted By: >>101471115 >>101471136

>>101470980
2ch/5ch.

This was before I stopped using them.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 22:51:31 No.101471008 Report

Quoted By:

>>101465603
>modern techniques.
Its pretty easy to learn how to Motion Tween a moving ball after you've learned to properly animate. Its like someone providing deep diving lessons and this retard is asking "well, does he teach you how to swim?"

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 22:51:58 No.101471019 Report

Quoted By: >>101471097 >>101471487 >>101472126

>>101470842
CalArts isn't bad they're just a /co/ boogeyman. It's one of the best animation colleges in the world and a very impressive dot on your resume.
The reason everyone hates, and should, is they have very little being taught in traditional animation anymore. They cannot be blamed as the entire point of going to college is to gain skills that will help in future employment and the skills CalArts gives is in CG and Flash, not paper, which says more about the state and development of animation than it does CalArts as an institution.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 22:54:48 No.101471078 Report

Quoted By:

>>101466268
>Food analogy

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 22:54:51 No.101471079 Report

Quoted By:

>>101466285
This. When a Don Bluth film is bad, it is really, really fucking bad. What that tells me is that for his good films most of the good stuff was actually influenced by other people, even if we don't know who they are. It's a George Lucas situation. Some magic happened that created NIMH, and Bluth was a part of it, but he wasn't all of it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 22:55:16 No.101471087 Report

Quoted By: >>101471782 >>101471830

>>101470306
>The methods do
No they dont.

Its drawing.

The fucking technology available now should be making it easier, not harder, retard. Now you dont need to worry about one mistake fucking up an entire sheet of celluloid.

Instead of constantly flipping back and forth between sheets of celluloid and paper and having to physically send shit to other people, you just can switch between layers in an image editing program and send it over in a PDF in like 5 minutes.

Japan, Korea, and Frances animation industries are predominantly digitial now and they're beating the fuck out of American animation in terms of raw quality pretty much across the board, hell even some American studios are still once in a blue moon pulling out quality stuff (Castlevania for Netflix)

Not only is there no excuse, the fact that digital makes it easier only further highlights how lazy animators have become in the US.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 22:55:56 No.101471097 Report

Quoted By: >>101471152 >>101471345 >>101471487

>>101471019
>than it does CalArts as an institution.
Then its hardly "the best" animation school around anymore. Compare to french animation schools like Les Gobelins which still put heavy emphasis on traditional animation even when they do not ignore "modern techniques", so what is Calarts excuse, rather than talented teachers leaving and the school getting oversaturated with spoiled rich kids who couldn't draw when they got there?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 22:56:27 No.101471104 Report

Quoted By:

>>101470504
>The story artist makes more than twice what an animator does.

Of course they do...

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 22:56:48 No.101471115 Report

Quoted By: >>101471248

>>101471001
You can't use either of them Famicom because you don't speak or read a lick of fucking Japanese. They could be talking about the pleasure of cumming inside hamsters and you'd use that as a bona fide of an upcoming Hamtaro revival. You're a shitposting retard from the Philippines who has barely learnt english, and you insist on inflicting your guttural pigeon gibberish on the rest of us. You can't even use google translate properly and you use it as undeniable proof of your pathetic little fantasies.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 22:57:55 No.101471136 Report

Quoted By: >>101471248

>>101471001
Did your mother drop you on the head when you were a baby?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 22:59:10 No.101471152 Report

Quoted By:

>>101471097
>what is Calarts excuse
their excuse is that you're a shitposting parrot

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 22:59:22 No.101471157 Report

Quoted By:

>>101469531
>>101469826
She produces content too rapid-fire for it to be traced.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 23:00:09 No.101471177 Report

Quoted By: >>101471229 >>101471270

>>101470504
Those "Working for pennies"-jobs have been outsources to asian subcontractors who do the bulk of the animation for most shows these days. Wouldn't be surprised if the traditional "start as an inbetweener for 2 years, work as assistant animator from there"-route even exists in modern american animation studios anymore.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 23:02:46 No.101471223 Report

Quoted By: >>101471345

>>101470504
Out of curiosity, what location is this? 24-26 is bretty good in the midwest, but in California, not so much.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 23:03:01 No.101471229 Report

Quoted By:

>>101471177
>Wouldn't be surprised if the traditional "start as an inbetweener for 2 years, work as assistant animator from there"-route even exists in modern american animation studios anymore.
It doesn't, and hasn't since the eighties for TV animation. In any case, TV productions are always too low budget to have separate assistant animators and inbetweeners, that's a luxury reserved for Disney and those that wish to compete with them.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 23:04:03 No.101471248 Report

Quoted By: >>101471290

>>101471115
I no longer use 2ch/5ch and have not for over a year, also I was born in the States and there is no pigeon gibberish here.

Also 2ch & 5ch are the same site.
>>101471136
No.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 23:04:32 No.101471257 Report

Quoted By: >>101471288 >>101471830

>>101470413
What? The pic in >>101470293 is neither a cell nor a test. It's someone's timing notes on paper. Absolutely no company is going to waste the money with paper tests or paper anything. It's not feasible to bother with it and flipping/scanning takes up too damn much production time. Especially for a tv series.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 23:05:23 No.101471270 Report

Quoted By: >>101471326

>>101471177
A minimum of 12,000 won a hour is not pennies.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 23:05:56 No.101471282 Report

Quoted By:

>>101469110
luigi is THIIIIIIICCCC

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 23:06:23 No.101471288 Report

Quoted By: >>101471526

>>101471257
That episode was done by SMIP, not Rough Draft.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 23:06:23 No.101471290 Report

Quoted By: >>101471369

>>101471248
Tell me why you do this. Why do you make shit up like this? And no, don't go "N-NO IM TELLING THE TRUTH", because know you're not.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 23:06:57 No.101471303 Report

Quoted By:

>of course the furfag will have shit opinion

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 23:08:17 No.101471326 Report

Quoted By: >>101471345

>>101471270
>10.77 USD
>not fucking pennies

You'd barely get by living on that.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 23:08:28 No.101471331 Report

Quoted By: >>101471356

>>101470520
as opposed to

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 23:08:52 No.101471341 Report

Quoted By: >>101472848

>>101465717
>allergy medicine wolves
wut

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 23:09:05 No.101471345 Report

Quoted By: >>101471374 >>101471549

>>101471097
Keep smoking the pipe dream that 2D will be relevant again and your tons more expensive foreign liberal arts degree will save you from backroom at the local Wal-Mart anon.

>>101471223
Atlanta location, so these are probably Williams Street salaries instead of CN proper.

>>101471326
>Korea
>Not shitloads cheaper to live in than America

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 23:09:44 No.101471356 Report

Quoted By:

>>101471331
Anon, that's a still image.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 23:09:50 No.101471357 Report

Quoted By:

>>101470616
>Imma pretend to know so much about this show I never knew existed before three days ago!

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 23:10:40 No.101471369 Report

Quoted By: >>101471394

>>101471290
I'm not making shit up.

However I do cry for help alot and Laura helps me for that.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 23:10:52 No.101471374 Report

Quoted By: >>101471434

>>101471345
It's livable, then. Certainly not something I'd get educated for, though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 23:11:07 No.101471377 Report

Quoted By:

>>101470671
This is genuinely the only human interaction he has in his day to day.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 23:11:53 No.101471394 Report

Quoted By: >>101471424

>>101471369
No, you are making shit up. No studio is using fucking animation cels just so they can scan them and color them digitally. Is there any reason why you make this ridiculous shit up?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 23:12:08 No.101471400 Report

Quoted By:

>>101470706
And now they own all of his shows. Who is jewing who now?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 23:13:09 No.101471417 Report

Quoted By: >>101471453

>>101470872
Probably something about Tiny Toons being the height of animation again.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 23:13:41 No.101471424 Report

Quoted By: >>101471437 >>101471639 >>101471830

>>101471394
No I am not, Rough Draft uses cels for inking as proven in their episodes of Star and SU.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 23:14:08 No.101471434 Report

Quoted By:

>>101471374
desu most careers start off around that. I remember going through monster and indeed circa 2015 looking for Networking work and seeing most entry levels hitting 10-15 dollars for a bachelors degree position and right now I make around 29 dollars an hour with five years experience total.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 23:14:26 No.101471437 Report

Quoted By: >>101471491

>>101471424
Just stop. Nobody here believes you. Why do you continue to do this after constantly being called out?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 23:15:00 No.101471449 Report

Quoted By: >>101471645

>>101470148
>comparing don bluth to his animation
what blatant offense

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 23:15:09 No.101471453 Report

Quoted By:

>>101471417
But it was, it was one of the shows that started the renaissance along side Mighty Moush & The Simpsons with Gummi Bears being the first.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 23:15:28 No.101471458 Report

Quoted By: >>101471600 >>101471632 >>101471677

>>101465597
Don Bluth movies are boring and the animation just looks like a less pretty version of Disney animation, dude should have stuck working at Disney since all his best animation was done there.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 23:16:31 No.101471480 Report

Quoted By:

>>101465755
You're retarded, just because they're making a shitty thundercats cartoon because kids like that style doesn't mean animation is dead.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 23:16:55 No.101471487 Report

Quoted By: >>101471548 >>101471932

>>101471019
>>101471097
They are really hated because of the unfair advantage their students get on entering the industry over just about everyone else.

Calasrts students will fall ass backward into work before they even graduate while others languish for a while simply trying to break into the industry for a long period of time. It breeds a lot of resentment. Especially when someone went to SVA or SCAD and can recognize they they have some skill but rando CalArts grad has an incredibly shit demo reel full of poorly made crap, but an impressive resume of professional work by the time they were a junior. .

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 23:17:12 No.101471491 Report

Quoted By: >>101471520

>>101471437
Most do Because I don't lie, you're just delusional is all.

I just cry for help alot.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 23:17:43 No.101471506 Report

Quoted By: >>101471552

>>101467116
The best storyboarders work in hollywood movies because everything's CGI now.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 23:18:24 No.101471520 Report

Quoted By: >>101471585

>>101471491
No, we all know you're lying. We know that you lie all of the time. Why can't you just stop? Denying it will not help.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 23:18:27 No.101471522 Report

Quoted By:

>>101467316
you're a faggot dude

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 23:18:32 No.101471526 Report

Quoted By:

>>101471288
That did not even kind of address the statement

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 23:18:40 No.101471531 Report

Quoted By:

>>101469110
i would watch it just because how ridiculous Peach hair is in that rendition.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 23:18:44 No.101471534 Report

Quoted By: >>101471605 >>101471621

>>101470758
>in 50 years, Bluth will still be classic
No one cares about him anymore already though?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 23:19:27 No.101471548 Report

Quoted By: >>101471932

>>101471487
This 100x, Top anon you're replying to. It's like everyone who hates MIT only because they shit out instant hires. It helps that most CalArts students live in the hotbed of animation studios and can intern at loads of big name places padding on their resume.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 23:19:32 No.101471549 Report

Quoted By:

>>101471345
Atlanta is more known for Bento Box and Floyd County. Williams Street does not employ as many people.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 23:19:40 No.101471552 Report

Quoted By:

>>101471506
No, the best storyboarders work in Tokyo, never Hollywood, Taipei, Beijing or Seoul.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 23:19:59 No.101471561 Report

Quoted By:

>>101465603
>>101465597
if people could learn from the likes of monet or picasso today I think they'd drop the same amount on a course. You can always apply old techniques to the new.

I think the price is too steep without knowing what exactly he'd teach though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 23:20:56 No.101471585 Report

Quoted By: >>101471685

>>101471520
The only one who is lying is you so shut the fuck up and let us real cartoonist run the industry.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 23:21:36 No.101471600 Report

Quoted By:

>>101471458
Disney was a fucking shithole in the early 80s, I don't blame Don Bluth and the rest (Tim Burton, Brad Bird, etc.) for getting out.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 23:21:53 No.101471605 Report

Quoted By:

>>101471534
>$700k donated for Dragon's Lair movie

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 23:22:22 No.101471621 Report

Quoted By: >>101471807

>>101471534
People still love 80s Bluth, 90s Bluth not so much.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 23:22:38 No.101471625 Report

Quoted By: >>101471706

>>101466808
>They're doing it to get a reaction because it's funny.
you're giving this site too much credit

there are animation students posting here

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 23:23:02 No.101471632 Report

Quoted By: >>101472717

>>101471458
shut your whore mouth, if there is something I adore about bluth is how expressive can he make any character, no other animator has done such great expression like him

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 23:23:16 No.101471639 Report

Quoted By: >>101471683 >>101471712 >>101471898

>>101471424
This is where it is clear you have no idea what you are talking about. Anyone with even a basic education can just look and see the puppet animation at work in both of those shows.

I cannot even begin to understand why someone would waste production time and a lot of money on paper tests for a show animated entirely with puppet models. The tests can be hand drawn in the same program digitally at zero excess cost and no added time. No extra equipment or overhead like paper.

which is moot anyway when Harmony allows for importing of the already timed and finished storyboard animatic they can animate over that the story team finished months earlier.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 23:23:39 No.101471645 Report

Quoted By: >>101471722

>>101471449
You'd be right to disagree with his opinions on bluth but he's a talented animator

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 23:25:03 No.101471677 Report

Quoted By: >>101472717

>>101471458
>Don Bluth movies are boring and the animation just looks like a less pretty version of Disney animation
why are you lying on the internet?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 23:25:21 No.101471683 Report

Quoted By: >>101471741 >>101471830 >>101471862

>>101471639
Star (after season 1) & Steven use paper animation, not flash.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 23:25:26 No.101471685 Report

Quoted By:

>>101471585
Famicom, talk to us. Tell us what mental illness you have.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 23:26:17 No.101471706 Report

Quoted By:

>>101471625
As long as people believe this place has legitimate opinions and discussion, there's going to be more than a few rusemen who are going to take advantage of that.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 23:26:30 No.101471712 Report

Quoted By: >>101471755

>>101471639
Technically during season 2 they shifted production teams to one that did use hand drawn animation for a couple of episodes, but there's no way in hell they did it on paper

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 23:26:45 No.101471722 Report

Quoted By: >>101471760 >>101471832

>>101471645
He is a fantastic animator. He is just the worst sotryteller and just does not grasp story progression at all.

He does his best work while working under another director, but he is too egotistical to do that. He cannot stand working under others and having someone else tell him to redo a shot or drop it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 23:27:47 No.101471741 Report

Quoted By: >>101471781 >>101471852 >>101471898

>>101471683
You really do not know what you are talking about here. It's just trolling at this point.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 23:28:08 No.101471755 Report

Quoted By: >>101471817

>>101471712
Most Korean studios still use paper.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 23:28:23 No.101471760 Report

Quoted By:

>>101471722
wow, Calarts really stroke their egos by a lot

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 23:29:08 No.101471781 Report

Quoted By:

>>101471741
I do know what I'm talking about and theres no trolling here.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 23:29:12 No.101471782 Report

Quoted By: >>101471893

>>101470912
>>101471087
You can call it laziness, but the methods used to pump out OKKO are different than Gargoyles.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 23:29:52 No.101471807 Report

Quoted By:

>>101471621
Yeah, you ask someone to think of animated films from the 80s, they're going to list Bluth's big four, Roger Rabbit, and The Little Mermaid.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 23:30:13 No.101471817 Report

Quoted By:

>>101471755
During production of bobs burgers a lot of they paid for the studio to change to digital workflows because it costs to much to change the drafts on paper. A lot of them are starting to go digital.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 23:30:38 No.101471830 Report

Quoted By: >>101471885

>>101471424
>>101471683
>>101471257
>>101471087

So this is the /co/ version of
>I watched lots of subbed anime....that means I am fully fluent in Japanese!

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 23:30:43 No.101471832 Report

Quoted By:

>>101471722
Wait, who are you talking about now? Because
>He is just the worst sotryteller
Is blatantly false no matter which one you're talking about

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 23:31:22 No.101471852 Report

Quoted By:

>>101471741
I'm not famicom, but you're a retard. Plenty of studios still use paper.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 23:31:50 No.101471862 Report

Quoted By:

>>101471683
>Star went from flash to non-tweened
good for them

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 23:32:46 No.101471885 Report

Quoted By:

>>101471830
Yup, if you are an adult that only watches cartoons all day, that instantly makes you an expert in all aspects of the field. And then you can make comments on the technical aspects.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 23:32:54 No.101471893 Report

Quoted By:

>>101471782
"Limited animation" anon. As well as different aesthetic goals with their art style, "off model-ness", and other contributors. They use animation techniques yes, but that doesn't mean they're used well...

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 23:33:16 No.101471898 Report

Quoted By: >>101471954

>>101471639
>>101471741
okay fag

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 23:34:52 No.101471932 Report

Quoted By: >>101472093

>>101471487
>>101471548
Goddamn this. It is called "Breaking" into the industry for a reason. It is fucking hard for nearly everyone else to get enough notice to land an industry job....except if you go to CalArts then you get internships handed to you during your sophomore ans junior years that launch you right into a job without a wait period.

This pisses off everyone else who take a year or two of constant work to get their first entry level job while working at Michaels.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 23:35:55 No.101471954 Report

Quoted By: >>101471977

>>101471898
>my proof is my ass, that's means I am smarter than you!

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 23:35:55 No.101471955 Report

Quoted By: >>101472024 >>101472197

>>101465597
>>101469719
>>101467416
It would be a valid criticism that Don Bluth can go too far with the body language and that his characters can overact visually, if:

1. It didn't come from hipster retards coming off as jealous, cliquey, hypocritical shits

2. It wasn't delivered in such a repulsively smug, dismissive way
>Unrelated but I rewatched Thumbelina recently and damn is that movie weirdly racist.
Of course you had to scream 'UGH JUST UGH HOW RACIST YIKES' to finish your post. You sure as fuck are an industry person!

Criticizing Bluth for over-acting is fine. condescendingly treating him as 'a joke' is pathetic.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 23:36:43 No.101471977 Report

Quoted By:

>>101471954
What? Do you want me to link the actual tweet?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 23:38:57 No.101472024 Report

Quoted By: >>101472218

>>101471955
Back in his NIMH days, Bluth was the hipster retard dissing on Disney for being too cheap and awful looking. My how things change.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 23:42:00 No.101472093 Report

Quoted By: >>101472129

>>101471932
It's still pretty funny watching the same newgrounds crowd that shits on calarts have the slow realization that e-fame and popular flash cartoons does not buy you success in reality. Even funnier that despite being universally hated by the 'serious' e-animator crowd FlashGitz had a pilot ordered.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 23:42:11 No.101472100 Report

Quoted By:

>>101467831
Definitely not Dives' best work, too stiff IMO and inspired by the lesser parts of anime

But it's not bad

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 23:43:05 No.101472126 Report

Quoted By: >>101472254 >>101472306

>>101471019
But is it worth 200k?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 23:43:10 No.101472129 Report

Quoted By: >>101472171

>>101472093
A lot of the extra help on those same shorts are done by people looking for some kind of work for a resume after graduation. That sort of fall into the same trap.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 23:43:21 No.101472134 Report

Quoted By: >>101472903

>>101470329
Christ there are some really bad white knights ITT

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 23:44:12 No.101472171 Report

Quoted By:

>>101472129
Or they sit around Artella all day hoping to god something worth a damn shows up.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 23:44:23 No.101472178 Report

Quoted By: >>101472259

>>101466206
waaaah you're not allowed to discuss the industry if it's something I disagree with waaaah

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 23:44:52 No.101472197 Report

Quoted By: >>101472277 >>101472288

>>101471955
>anyone pointing out racism can be stereotyped into "industry person"
They didn't even scream it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 23:45:26 No.101472216 Report

Quoted By:

>>101467579
>I'm autistic and take everything seriously

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 23:45:29 No.101472218 Report

Quoted By:

>>101472024
Well the 60s and 70s were a clear and obvious decline from the 40s and 50s, so Disney earned that criticism.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 23:46:24 No.101472254 Report

Quoted By: >>101472308 >>101472342

>>101472126
>go to calarts to learn to make bean mouths for 50K
compared to
>take class and learn from Don Bluth himself for 10K

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 23:46:33 No.101472259 Report

Quoted By:

>>101472178
T discussion is fine but twitter screencaps are cancer.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 23:47:01 No.101472277 Report

Quoted By:

>>101472197
If you look at big lipped green frogs and think "these are supposed to be black people" perhaps you're just reading way too much into things.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 23:47:12 No.101472288 Report

Quoted By: >>101472500

>>101472197
It's just funny that anon fits the stereotype so well.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 23:47:33 No.101472305 Report

Quoted By:

>>101467416
>Everything is constantly moving, the characters never sit still
This is a good thing.
>but in real life living things don't move like that
Art isn't meant to imitate reality, if that was the case a video camera would be the ultimate artistic tool (and if you're retarded and need someone to tell you this, it's not). Bluth's animation style gives more life and personality to characters than can be observed in real people, and that's what makes it fantastic, everyone moves in a way that has charm and flow. Very few modern animators really understand this.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 23:47:35 No.101472306 Report

Quoted By:

>>101472126
You know if you're actually talented you can get a scholarship with CalArts. The 150-200 thousand is just for rich bitch trust fund kids.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 23:47:36 No.101472308 Report

Quoted By: >>101472389

>>101472254
But all the other bean mouths in the industry are going to laugh at you and not hire you,

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 23:48:38 No.101472331 Report

Quoted By:

>>101467543
/pol/ would tell you that this is because TV is controlled by a certain subset of peoples. But thats none of my business.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 23:48:54 No.101472342 Report

Quoted By: >>101472389

>>101472254
>Networking opportunities out the ass for 50k
compared to
>Having to listen to Don Bluth complain about a lack of respect for 10k

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 23:50:07 No.101472389 Report

Quoted By:

>>101472308
>>101472342
>what is freelancing and going to network events by yourself?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 23:50:44 No.101472411 Report

Quoted By: >>101472541

>>101465603
>>101465597

This guy ought be slapped.

Any industry that isn't impressed by having Don Bluth on your resume deserves liquidation.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 23:50:58 No.101472420 Report

Quoted By:

>>101470365
Its an awful, generic sci-fi film with horribly aged CGI. I never understood why people defend it as anything other than middling.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 23:51:53 No.101472445 Report

Quoted By: >>101473245

>>101467416
Oh I didn't read this post all the way through
>Richard Williams' work has a bit of this problem as well sometimes
So you're either an actual philistine or just posting bait.
>Unrelated but I rewatched Thumbelina recently and damn is that movie weirdly racist
Just bait then

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 23:53:59 No.101472500 Report

Quoted By: >>101472609 >>101472996

>>101472288
Note to anyone who wants to point out racist stereotypes in cartoons: preface your posts with "nigger nigger nigger" so people don't get the wrong idea.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 23:55:34 No.101472541 Report

Quoted By: >>101473245

>>101472411
You'll really impress the marketing agency hiring you to do digital animation in two weeks.

>I loved him as a kid! Here's your budget, 2k, and don't spend it all in one place, haha

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 23:55:40 No.101472545 Report

Quoted By:

>>101465597
>>101465603

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 23:58:28 No.101472609 Report

Quoted By:

>>101472500
What stereotypes? They're frogs from Spain. Nothing race-based about them at all.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 23:58:49 No.101472620 Report

Quoted By:

>>101465717

It's paying work that shows your skills.

Arthouse shit will leave you strung out and ruined.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 23:59:24 No.101472636 Report

Quoted By: >>101472698 >>101472741 >>101472759 >>101472836 >>101472848

>>101465717
please explain to me this allergic medicine wolves?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jul 2018 23:59:51 No.101472647 Report

Quoted By:

>>101465748
>South Africans

That comes abit as a surprise.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Jul 2018 00:02:30 No.101472698 Report

Quoted By: >>101472792

>>101472636
Some green sweatered one

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Jul 2018 00:02:44 No.101472705 Report

Quoted By:

>>101465717
that's how Richard Williams financed his shit
just keep at it and make it good. doesn't have to be grand to shine

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Jul 2018 00:03:07 No.101472717 Report

Quoted By:

>>101471632
Meh, I never really cared for the expressions in any of his movies besides secret of nimh.
>>101471677
I'm not I honestly think that his work at Disney looked better and I'm not even opening the can of worms that is Anastasia.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Jul 2018 00:04:22 No.101472741 Report

Quoted By: >>101472759 >>101472792

>>101472636
Typically if you're not playing tin the system you're going to be making medication commercials with your limitless talent. Just like great and mighty creative writers find their careers writing copy.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Jul 2018 00:05:29 No.101472759 Report

Quoted By: >>101472792 >>101472848

>>101472636
>>101472741
source? or how should I search it?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Jul 2018 00:06:53 No.101472792 Report

Quoted By:

>>101472698
>>101472741
>>101472759
my bad, I reply to myself

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Jul 2018 00:08:48 No.101472836 Report

Quoted By:

>>101472636

https://youtu.be/drCWcLnWGP8

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Jul 2018 00:09:15 No.101472848 Report

Quoted By: >>101473056 >>101473135

>>101471341
>>101472636
>>101472759
https://youtu.be/drCWcLnWGP8

This is what their talking about. Not really allergy medication, but it's just to push the point that a lot of 2D animators find work in advertising and marketing.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 04 Jul 2018 00:09:27 No.101472852 Report

Quoted By:

>>101470504
>That disproportionate amount with "Story Artist"

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Jul 2018 00:11:28 No.101472903 Report

Quoted By:

>>101472134
>anyone who doesn't still enjoy REEEE posting in 2018 is a white knight

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Jul 2018 00:15:05 No.101472981 Report

Quoted By:

>>101465597
>a roll of eyes, a sigh, then a rant
lol coming from someone with a fake Japanese username

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Jul 2018 00:15:35 No.101472996 Report

Quoted By:

>>101472500
you're a fucking retard dude

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Jul 2018 00:18:11 No.101473056 Report

Quoted By:

>>101472848
holy shit I totally forgot about it

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Jul 2018 00:19:01 No.101473072 Report

Quoted By: >>101473757

>>101470504
What about the voice actors?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Jul 2018 00:21:34 No.101473135 Report

Quoted By:

>>101472848
How much is even animated in America anyway? Even when American companies want good hand-drawn animation, they're more likely to look at places like Britain rather than the US.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Jul 2018 00:26:16 No.101473245 Report

Quoted By:

>>101472541
His point is the industry doesn't really reward hard work and artistry and to just roll with it by saying "oh, this guy is A JOKE" is extremely pathetic.
>>101472445
That post is 100% honest dude. That's how these guys think.

I think you COULD say both of them overdo the acting but to treat them as 'jokes' is some next level douchebaggery

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Jul 2018 00:46:37 No.101473733 Report

Quoted By:

>>101470922
>also Don Bluth is not a pedo
Not long ago there was some implication otherwise around here, what with pantyshots of kids and stuff. I'd rather believe it's just innocent stuff.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Jul 2018 00:47:35 No.101473757 Report

Quoted By:

>>101473072
Look up guild rates. Animators too work off guild scaling so you'll start low and typically can transfer at same wage rate.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 04 Jul 2018 00:57:38 No.101473975 Report

Quoted By: >>101474013

http://stulivingston.blogspot.com/2012/10/life-drawing-for-animation-demoz.html bluth is cancer but this cliquey hipster shit is gold

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 04 Jul 2018 00:58:58 No.101474013 Report

Quoted By: >>101474154

>>101473975
I even like Scott Pilgrim but a Cal Arts teacher using it as an example of top notch cartooning is hysterical

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Jul 2018 01:05:40 No.101474154 Report

Quoted By: >>101474430

>>101474013
I don't think it's an example of top notch, best of the best, but showing how things don't need to be too detailed to work out. Simplification.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Jul 2018 01:17:47 No.101474378 Report

Quoted By:

thanks for making me hate cal arts a little bit more

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Jul 2018 01:20:48 No.101474430 Report

Quoted By:

>>101474154
There's far, far more technically proficient simple yet anatomical art.

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