>AT: You're terrible to say that, Torishima-san. Right around then was when the Artificial Humans No. 19 and No. 20 appeared. You weren't my editor or anything anymore, but you specifically called me to say "I thought that the enemies had finally come, but aren't these just a geezer and a fatso?" (laughs) In truth, I hadn't had plans for anyone but No. 19 and No. 20 to appear. But there was no helping it, so I brought out No. 17 and No. 18. Then you called me up and said "What, this time it's just some brats?" So I brought out Cell. (laughs)
>FT: So you hadn't planned on Cell appearing at all?
>AT: That's right. I liked No. 19 and No. 20 just fine. And I liked the initial Cell fine as well.
>FT: The bug-like one?
>AT: But Kondou-san said "He looks ugly. Of course, he can transform.", so I had no choice but to transform him into his second-form.
>Yuu Kondou (second editor)
>Coming from a shoujo magazine to Jump, he became editor of "DragonBall" right off the bat. He was editor from the Saiya-jin arc to right before perfect-form Cell appeared. He is the model for Freeza.
>YK: Was that how it was?
>AT: And then you were really awful, Kondou-san. "This time, doesn't he look like a moron? Hurry up and make him into his perfect-form." you said.
>YK: But he really did look like a moron. (laughs)
>AT: With second-form Cell as well, I liked him well enough. Actually, I had wanted him to play a more active role. But since I was told he looked stupid, I had no choice but to change him. (laughs) So I made him into his cool-looking perfect-form, which was to Kondou-san's liking.
I struggle to think how the Android saga would've been with just 19 and 20.