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Anonymous Wed 17 Apr 06:11:50 2019 No.10565449 View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>10566964 >>10567039 >>10567329 >>10569259 >>10569280

What does /sci/ think consciousness is?
Is it just a simple chemical process?
Is it a portal to another dimension?
Is it a fundamental aspect of reality, like magnetism or radiation?
Can true consciousness be created in an artificial being?

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Anonymous Wed 17 Apr 2019 06:16:52 No.10565455 Report

Quoted By: >>10566982 >>10567141 >>10567163 >>10567371

Interactionist dualism is the only philosophy of mind that makes any sense.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXX-_G_9kww
http://cogprints.org/6613/1/Dualism0409.pdf

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Anonymous Wed 17 Apr 2019 18:09:03 No.10566818 Report

Quoted By: >>10566930 >>10566975 >>10567144 >>10568542

All matter posses the property knows as consciousness
Interactions between matter can link their consciousness in a non trivial way creating a higher level consciousness
Intelligence is also strongly related to consciousness but not equivalent to it(its an emergent property)

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Anonymous Wed 17 Apr 2019 18:43:37 No.10566930 Report

Quoted By: >>10566947

>>10566818
Matter posses conciusness as some form of magic, or it's property emerged from other properties of matter or it's "shape" in higher planes of being?

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Anonymous Wed 17 Apr 2019 18:47:38 No.10566947 Report

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>>10566930
yes

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Anonymous Wed 17 Apr 2019 18:52:13 No.10566964 Report

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>>10565449
>Can true consciousness be created in an artificial being?

Can it be created in “natural” ones? If so, then yes. Brainlet thread.

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Anonymous Wed 17 Apr 2019 18:55:20 No.10566975 Report

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>>10566818
ur wrong kys
there's literally nothing backing this up u autist

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Anonymous Wed 17 Apr 2019 18:57:19 No.10566982 Report

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>>10565455
>A violation of the laws is physics is the only thing that makes sense

How about you fuck off and come back with observational evidence of energy from nowhere appearing in the brain.

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Anonymous Wed 17 Apr 2019 18:59:30 No.10566989 Report

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>>10566975
t.

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Anonymous Wed 17 Apr 2019 19:02:15 No.10566996 Report

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>>10566989
>I have no argument whatsoever lol meme picture

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Anonymous Wed 17 Apr 2019 19:13:21 No.10567018 Report

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>tfw people try to explain consciousness without accounting for relativity of simultaneity
The absolute state of brainlets

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Anonymous Wed 17 Apr 2019 19:14:05 No.10567020 Report

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this thread and every one of its kind will be forever pointless until one of you retards gives a good definition of consciousness

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Anonymous Wed 17 Apr 2019 19:19:05 No.10567031 Report

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>>10567020
There can be two definition of consciousness. First is simple awareness of things. Second is awareness of awareness.

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Anonymous Wed 17 Apr 2019 19:19:53 No.10567039 Report

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>>10565449
When you examine the idea of consciousness closely, you'll find that it does not exist

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Anonymous Wed 17 Apr 2019 19:26:08 No.10567059 Report

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>>10566964
true. It's an insanely complex system, but simply the fact that there are conscious being is enough to conclude it can be recreated artificially, given the appropriate amount of complexity in the design.

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Anonymous Wed 17 Apr 2019 19:27:22 No.10567062 Report

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>>10566996
seething brainlet

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Anonymous Wed 17 Apr 2019 19:41:43 No.10567107 Report

Quoted By: >>10567240 >>10568691

Cosciousness is the recursion of the local subtlety of the infinite fractal that is universe.

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Anonymous Wed 17 Apr 2019 19:48:56 No.10567135 Report

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>>10567059
I don’t know about that. Flatworms have entire nervous systems of less than 500 neurons and are active, motile animals.

>>10567062
>U r really mad n dum cus I sent a meme picture to someone else

K

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Anonymous Wed 17 Apr 2019 19:52:32 No.10567141 Report

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>>10565455
Brainlet dualism

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Anonymous Wed 17 Apr 2019 19:53:13 No.10567144 Report

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>>10566818
This but unironically

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Anonymous Wed 17 Apr 2019 19:58:48 No.10567163 Report

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>>10565455
Wrong.
Metaphysical idealism is the right answer. That's why you literally can't disprove it.

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Anonymous Wed 17 Apr 2019 20:31:51 No.10567240 Report

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>>10567107
that's one possibility out of a thousand more possibilities

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Anonymous Wed 17 Apr 2019 21:21:12 No.10567329 Report

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>>10565449
Is it problem that you only respect consciousness or that you want to harass robots?

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Anonymous Wed 17 Apr 2019 21:34:00 No.10567356 Report

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it's just chemicals in the brain, since we're unable to observe anything more than that we can just assume it doesn't exist

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Anonymous Wed 17 Apr 2019 21:39:46 No.10567371 Report

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>>10565455
Pfft
dialectical monism > interactionist dualism

consciousness is a fundamental aspect of the universe which correlates with the complexity of the organism.

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Anonymous Thu 18 Apr 2019 05:55:49 No.10568542 Report

Quoted By: >>10568621

>>10566818
How do you figure that intelligence is related to consciousness?

How did you measure the consciousness of a rock for example? Or an ant?

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Anonymous Thu 18 Apr 2019 06:06:23 No.10568552 Report

Quoted By: >>10568974

If we replace a neuron with a computer chip, do we lose consciousness? Probably not because neurons die all the time anyway.

If we keep replacing neurons with chips until all of our brain is one big computer, at what point do we lose consciousness or do we still have it afterwards?

What if the artificial neurons are not physical components, but simple radiotransmitters that relay information to a server that has a neuron simulator on it. Now let's replace every neuron with a simulated neuron, do we still have consciousness? Even after all of the brain is inside the computer?

What if the computer is a mechanical computer made of rocks that we push around? Does the information content and information processing ability of the rocks now contain a consciousness?

It seems to me that somewhere along the way consciousness should disappear when you replace neurons with a bunch of rocks. But I don't see any single point where it should. So maybe rocks and everything else in the universe has a consciousness after all? But since a rock doesn't really think, their consciouness would be something quite different from ours.

Pic kinda related.

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Anonymous Thu 18 Apr 2019 07:10:08 No.10568621 Report

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>>10568542
>How do you figure that intelligence is related to consciousness?
Intelligence changes the experience of consciousness but isnt necessary for it
One should intrinsically know this because the thinking you do with your consciousness depends on your intelligence

>How did you measure the consciousness of a rock for example? Or an ant?
We cant really measure it without a physical theory of consciousness
In my opinion both are conscious, but because of their low/non existing level of intelligence their experience of consciousness differs vastly from the human one
A rock might also not have the described interactions for consciousness linking, given that the material "anker" of consciousness in humans lies only in the central nervous system

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Anonymous Thu 18 Apr 2019 08:15:04 No.10568688 Report

Quoted By: >>10569243

Consciousness is "what information feels like to be processed". Max Tegmark covers it in his book Our Mathematical Universe. The metric of consciousness is therefore the metric of information processing.

This obviously leads into panpsychism, but people tend to confuse themselves by projecting human senses (like sight and touch) and perceptions onto a single universal consciousness.

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Anonymous Thu 18 Apr 2019 08:19:53 No.10568691 Report

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>>10567107
>Deepak

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Anonymous Thu 18 Apr 2019 11:42:52 No.10568974 Report

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>>10568552
You can't replace neuron by chip to keep it functionality in same space, but keep barking doggo.

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Anonymous Thu 18 Apr 2019 13:41:25 No.10569243 Report

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>>10568688
Is feeling required to be feeled to be a feeling?

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Anonymous Thu 18 Apr 2019 13:47:43 No.10569259 Report

Quoted By: >>10569271

>>10565449
unironically brighter than dark and dimmer than light, white with a tint of purple, pulsing with a complex frequency pattern

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Anonymous Thu 18 Apr 2019 13:52:05 No.10569271 Report

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>>10569259
correction, it looks a bit purple but that's our visual cortex compensating (my guess). It's just white, the essence of it

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Anonymous Thu 18 Apr 2019 13:56:57 No.10569280 Report

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>>10565449
Yes
Yes
Yes
And yes

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