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Desert Greening

Anonymous Sun 16 Dec 05:15:18 2018 No.10218944 View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>10219040 >>10219115 >>10219122 >>10219438 >>10222893

Any books/studies on desert greening/reducing desertification? I’m particularly interested in plants and water methods used to transform deserts. I think this will be a massive deal in 50 years.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 16 Dec 2018 06:06:40 No.10219040 Report

Quoted By: >>10222893

>>10218944
look up permaculture, geoff lawton, bill mollison, the loess plateau

Its a good time to become certified in permacultural design

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 16 Dec 2018 06:48:46 No.10219115 Report

Quoted By: >>10222300

>>10218944
Unironically Dune.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 16 Dec 2018 06:52:51 No.10219122 Report

Quoted By: >>10219126 >>10222893

>>10218944
Could turn the sahara desert into a forrest ? As i understand it plants hate loose sand.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 16 Dec 2018 06:53:55 No.10219126 Report

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>>10219122
Thats the question. How can you turn the desert into a habitable place for plants?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 16 Dec 2018 06:56:59 No.10219133 Report

Quoted By: >>10219159 >>10222882

>>10219126
Clay and water.

Alternately humus and water.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 16 Dec 2018 07:04:20 No.10219142 Report

Quoted By: >>10219159

>remove sand
>slap a seed in the soil
damn, hard.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 16 Dec 2018 07:14:18 No.10219159 Report

Quoted By: >>10219170 >>10222893

>>10219133
>Humus
I don’t get it. Would clay actually work?

>>10219142
I meant natural methods, i.e could you plant certain species and transport water to make them spread on their own and eventually create their own ecosystem

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 16 Dec 2018 07:18:56 No.10219170 Report

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>>10219159
To some extent. The primary issue is higher rates of evaporation compared to rainfall.

Many arid regions already have a high proportion of clay however the issue here is that the water simply runs off instead of infiltrating.

Sand is low in nutrients and water infiltration is too high. Adding clay retains more water close to the surface for longer so plants can utilise it.

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Anonymous Sun 16 Dec 2018 10:24:00 No.10219423 Report

Quoted By: >>10220778 >>10220801 >>10222302

Deserts are part of the natural environment and destroying them is no different than destroying any other habitat of mother nature.

Stop thinking only about destroying things.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 16 Dec 2018 10:33:33 No.10219438 Report

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>>10218944

This sort of approach was used to good effect on Ascension Island:

>In 1843 the island was barren with few plants. However, due to the introduction of species by the British, Ascension Island's Green Mountain is now one of the few large-scale planned forests

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ascension_Island

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Anonymous Sun 16 Dec 2018 21:35:00 No.10220778 Report

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>>10219423
But is it really? When you have massive rates of desertification due to human population removing trees and water creating more desert is it really natural?

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Anonymous Sun 16 Dec 2018 21:41:14 No.10220801 Report

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>>10219423
But deserts suck mainly because they are sandy if they were mostly solid rock they would be the perfect places for humans to live in because no shitty trees getting in the way of precious metals,and other resources.

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Anonymous Mon 17 Dec 2018 11:12:01 No.10222279 Report

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Any other books?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 17 Dec 2018 11:23:20 No.10222297 Report

Quoted By: >>10223944

It would be pretty crazy if someone figured out how to create plant ecosystems anywhere, just imagine some marijuana plants becoming widespread

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Anonymous Mon 17 Dec 2018 11:24:54 No.10222300 Report

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>>10219115
The spice must flow

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Anonymous Mon 17 Dec 2018 11:26:28 No.10222302 Report

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>>10219423
If it doesn't serve humanity then there is no reason to keep it.

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Anonymous Mon 17 Dec 2018 16:55:20 No.10222770 Report

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>>10222300
The original inspiration for Arrakis and the fremen teraforming project was from an article Frank Herbert read about using poverty grasses to hold down sand dunes to try and hold back erosion and expansion of the dunes.
It pretty much informed the whole ecological theme of the books as much as Sophocles-in-space.

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Anonymous Mon 17 Dec 2018 17:58:49 No.10222882 Report

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>>10219133
>using a condiment to green the desert
Based

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Anonymous Mon 17 Dec 2018 18:03:06 No.10222891 Report

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yikes! climate change is bad okay?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 17 Dec 2018 18:03:53 No.10222893 Report

Quoted By: >>10224478

>>10218944
>>10219040
>>10219122
>>10219159
You're basically trying to create an environment which will allow plants to take root so that the soil doesn't erode and the water doesn't evaporate as fast. The standard method of doing this has been the installation of swales (which are ditches coupled with a small mound of dirt on the downhill side following the contours of the land) as well as check dams (basically these slow the flow of water such that silt can settle and land can be made more even).

Geoff Lawton has been doing this for decades. There's also an interesting project going on in Saudi Arabia - I think it was called Al Badyah. It will be a very interesting field to get into in the next twenty years.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 17 Dec 2018 18:05:56 No.10222902 Report

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>>10220801
I was thinking about this with regards to terraforming Mars - yeah, you can put water and organic material all over the planet, but aren't you really just making it harder to get at metals and absord solar energy?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 17 Dec 2018 18:23:23 No.10222928 Report

Quoted By: >>10226001

>Frank Herbert: Dune

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Anonymous Tue 18 Dec 2018 03:36:06 No.10223944 Report

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>>10222297
What?

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Anonymous Tue 18 Dec 2018 09:49:43 No.10224478 Report

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>>10222893
Couldn’t find the saidi project you were talking about? Also which book is the best from Lawton?

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Anonymous Tue 18 Dec 2018 23:27:53 No.10226001 Report

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>>10222928
“No”

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