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The Hobbit(1977)

Anonymous Mon 23 Sep 03:01:34 2019 No.110228288 View Reply Original Report

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>Literally only turns someone invisible
>Somehow is the most dangerous thing on the planet

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Anonymous Mon 23 Sep 2019 03:03:07 No.110228327 Report

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The Hobbit wasn't connected to the larger Middle-Earth cycle at the time it was written. Though even if it were, it's likely adaptations wouldn't have included the other effects of wearing the ring

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Anonymous Mon 23 Sep 2019 03:06:41 No.110228427 Report

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>>110228288
in the original book it was literally just that, a ring of invisibility that gollum gave to bilbo for solving his riddles. but the thing was that the hobbit was a story meant for tolkien to read to his children, but when his children grew up, he decided to mature his own writing by setting LotR on a much grander scale. since LotR was a follow-up to the hobbit, some elements from said previous title were lifted from that to its follow-up and given grander significance, such as the ring being a piece of the dark lord sauron's soul instead of just an invisibility ring.

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Anonymous Mon 23 Sep 2019 03:11:11 No.110228548 Report

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>>110228427
Also it fits the myth of platos invisible ring to make it a symbol of true goodness to resist using it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Sep 2019 03:11:41 No.110228558 Report

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>>110228288
You could probably get away with a whole lotta rapes with it. Not like Middle Earth has a forensics lab or anything.

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Anonymous Mon 23 Sep 2019 03:14:30 No.110228628 Report

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>>110228548
>>110228427
>Bitches acting like he didn't rip off elements whole cloth from Wagner

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SUPER AGGRO CRAG !!7x7KzlxQrrH Mon 23 Sep 2019 03:17:11 No.110228698 Report

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>>110228288
it's dangerous in that possessing it tends to turn you into a paranoid lunatic who amasses power just to kill people cuz you think they're gonna steal your ring, and if Big Bad Guy gets it he can level up his power

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Anonymous Mon 23 Sep 2019 03:17:55 No.110228709 Report

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Reminder this movie has the best Gollum

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Sep 2019 03:19:25 No.110228752 Report

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>>110228698
Also it's sapient and can and will fuck you over if you wear it long enough in order to find a better host.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Sep 2019 03:20:47 No.110228787 Report

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Imagine an evil wizard, except he's invisible. Dude could just sit around casting fireball spells to destroy every major city and the archers would never know where to shoot.

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Anonymous Mon 23 Sep 2019 03:23:31 No.110228863 Report

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>>110228709
And the best Smaug.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Sep 2019 03:25:41 No.110228927 Report

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>>110228863
I think it's fucking pathetic that a bat eared cat dragon from the seventies came off as more threatening than something worked on by multiple modern computers with motion capture programming and voiced by Cumbersnatch.

The Witch King was better in ROTK too.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Sep 2019 03:25:48 No.110228935 Report

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>>110228427
that's bullshit though since he told his kids silmarillion stories and other lore too otherwise it wouldn't have been published. and he wrote LOTR as a challenge between him and CS Lewis to write a fantasy/sci-fi story and the latter wrote the underrated Space Trilogy.

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SUPER AGGRO CRAG !!7x7KzlxQrrH Mon 23 Sep 2019 03:27:42 No.110228997 Report

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>>110228927
thats because he had 4 legs and wings instead of looking like a big dumb chicken boy

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Sep 2019 03:29:02 No.110229033 Report

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>>110228997
That's probably a huge portion of it, yeah.

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Anonymous Mon 23 Sep 2019 03:30:13 No.110229058 Report

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>>110228927
Dude was Skeletor.

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Anonymous Mon 23 Sep 2019 03:30:39 No.110229073 Report

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Fëanor did nothing wrong.

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SUPER AGGRO CRAG !!7x7KzlxQrrH Mon 23 Sep 2019 03:33:22 No.110229144 Report

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>>110229033
also there's no scene where he gets covered in macaroni cheese gold

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Sep 2019 03:33:38 No.110229156 Report

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>Gandalf fucking instant transmissions from a tree
>'I am Gandalf! And Gandalf, Means. ME!
>Misty Mountains cold starts playing

Pretty good intro.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Fw0lEaxiVs

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Sep 2019 03:35:19 No.110229205 Report

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>>110228628
Uh yeah, that was kind of his intention?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Sep 2019 03:37:43 No.110229269 Report

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>>110228288
It turns Bilbo invisible because he's small and nimble. The power changes depending on the person.

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Anonymous Mon 23 Sep 2019 03:39:09 No.110229303 Report

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>>110228628
And Wagner just ripped shit straight from the Prose Edda, what's your point.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Sep 2019 03:42:53 No.110229394 Report

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>>110228863
recently rewatched it and the death scene looks very much like the trial run of the style that was used in Flight of Dragons. Great bit of work
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tnejQ669cLc&t=54s

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Sep 2019 03:43:01 No.110229401 Report

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>WE DON'T WANNA GO TO WORK TODAY
>BUT THE LORD OF THE LASHES SAYS NAY NAY NAY
>WE'RE GONNA MARCH ALL DAY ALL DAY ALL DAYY (ALL DAY)
>WHERE THERE'S A WHIP THERE'S A WAY

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Anonymous Mon 23 Sep 2019 03:44:43 No.110229444 Report

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>>110229394
Flight of Dragons and Last Unicorn are both the same teams as the Hobbit. Most of those people worked on Thundercats and Silver Hawks too.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Sep 2019 03:46:02 No.110229477 Report

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>>110229444
I know, just commenting that I like how they do dragon deaths

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Sep 2019 03:47:20 No.110229514 Report

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>>110229477
I'm just glad Smaug doesn't inflate like a balloon to fly.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Sep 2019 03:49:48 No.110229577 Report

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>>110228628

Implying Tolkien is a plagiarist instead of a celebrant of the whole of Western folklore and mythology, both pagan and Christian, is the lowest IQ thing I have ever witnessed on 4chan. Well done.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Sep 2019 03:50:42 No.110229593 Report

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>>110228628
Tolkein hated Wagner and his fans.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Sep 2019 03:51:09 No.110229600 Report

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>>110228427

Please don't ever have a conversation about Tolkien again.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Sep 2019 03:53:58 No.110229673 Report

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>>110228927
It's the voice and delivery. They got the actor from Have Gun Will Travel to be Smaug in the cartoon.

It helps that Bilbo was far more ballsy in the cartoon than in the movies.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Sep 2019 03:57:21 No.110229746 Report

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>>110229577
Tolkein was an old time professor who hated everything modern and pissed off ever academic and writer with his stories about hobbits. Him and Lewis were top tier British Bantzmasters.

He'd honestly roast Modern Britian for trying to be more like America

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Sep 2019 04:01:44 No.110229843 Report

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>>110229577
Tolkien wouldn't know a trow from a troll. He slapped West Germanic folklore (especially Der Ring des Nibelungen) on WWI and included Christian elements because of course he did. His own folklore is poorly developed and self contradictory and he broadly ignores the other European folklore except for Otherworld.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Sep 2019 04:05:13 No.110229916 Report

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>>110229843
Tolkein didn't care about allegory. He wanted to create a fairy story where he can fuck elf women as god intended.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Sep 2019 04:08:56 No.110229999 Report

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>>110229916
>He wanted to create a fairy story where he can fuck elf women as god intended.
Which is why you do nothing but follow around sweaty men for 98% of LotR and the Hobbit.

>>110229746
Tolkien got so booty blasted that English folklore is just bastardized Irish folklore that he used virtually nothing but bastardized Nordic folklore for his most famous works just so he could exclude the Irish. A bantzmaster wouldn't get so badly wrecked by folks like Yeats that he'd completely ignore his own English heritage when writing what is supposed to be a uniquely English mythology.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Sep 2019 04:10:48 No.110230040 Report

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>Nimoy the Palantir!
>Nimoy!
>Nimoy stop fucking singing and tell me where the Palantir is!

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Sep 2019 04:23:16 No.110230289 Report

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>>110228288
>>Literally only turns someone invisible
Because Fodo and Bilbo were too weak to use all of it's abilities.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Sep 2019 04:28:26 No.110230390 Report

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>>110229269
The wearer's species, actually. The One Ring makes hobbits invisible, but it has other effects on elves, dwarves, men, orcs, etc.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Sep 2019 04:51:24 No.110230866 Report

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>>110228927
better voice actor , plus he used the boast of smaug from the book.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Sep 2019 07:17:49 No.110233212 Report

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>>110230390
...I feel like I've been missing something major for a long time.

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Anonymous Mon 23 Sep 2019 08:12:25 No.110233833 Report

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>>110229269
>>110230390
Where are you getting this from? It makes you invisible because it draws you partially into the spirit realm.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Sep 2019 08:21:46 No.110233969 Report

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>>110233833
Sauron could use it for much more magic, the elves can also use the rings to nearly the full potential. Gandalf and Saroman feared what the Ring could let them do. I think it's less about the race and more about how magically inclined they were. Hobbits are just WAY down the scale in that department

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Sep 2019 08:23:47 No.110233993 Report

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>>110233833
It's been forever since I read the original books but I'm pretty sure it's mentioned in the films for what that's worth.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Sep 2019 08:24:57 No.110234008 Report

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>>110228288
Did you ever notice that orcs only make up 14% of middle Earth's population but commit 50% of pillaging?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Sep 2019 08:27:23 No.110234028 Report

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>>110228628
>wagner
Someone hasn't read any finnish fairy tales I see
>>110228288
The ring can do many things, for hobbits it turns them invisible because hiding is what they're best at and is their instinctual defense mechanism, as explained in chapter one.
When Frodo got angry at Gollum and put on the Ring he appeared as a bright, tall Lord of light with a booming voice. When Samwise wore it to save Frodo he gained the appearance of a fearsome berserker warrior. The Rings power on Aragorn was what Sauron feared most, which is why Gandalf was wise to send in the underestimated Hobbits.

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Anonymous Mon 23 Sep 2019 08:27:50 No.110234033 Report

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>>110234008
Goblins have a much bigger population and commit even more petty crimes. Now you could say it's poverty, but then why do they make so many babies?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Sep 2019 08:32:56 No.110234096 Report

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>>110234028
Tolkien further links this skill at stealth to the "frame story" of LotR, which is that he is literally translating the books Bilbo, Fredo, and Sam wrote, the Red Book which was passed doen Sams descendants until Tolkien meets the last surviving hobbits who gift it to him. The Silmarillion is similarly and english translation of Bilbos translation of Elvish stories, thus mimicking the "telephone" game that is the King James Bible.

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Anonymous Mon 23 Sep 2019 08:33:27 No.110234102 Report

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>>110228288
I loved this movie so much as a kid. This and The Last Unicorn. And Nausicaa.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Sep 2019 08:46:07 No.110234292 Report

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>>110229269

Isn't it because Hobbits prefer to avoid trouble and are good at hiding themselves?

Mental state does have something to do with it though. Both Smeagol and Bilbo were focused on escaping while they were first using the Ring and Fredo grew up seeing Bilbo use it to make himself invisible.

Sam, on the other hand, was tempted to use it to conquer Mordor by calling others to his aid (the Fellowship on a grand scale) and raising a garden to replace the devastation left by Sauron and his armies.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Sep 2019 08:48:36 No.110234314 Report

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>>110234292

Also the animated interpretation of Sam's temptation was something that has to be seen to be believed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=am-piARxy4U

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Sep 2019 08:49:38 No.110234321 Report

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>>110234292
And then there's Galadriel's whole thing. She clearly didn't plan on turning invisible. Judging by what she was saying I don't think there'd be a soul left that couldn't see her even if they were blind.

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