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“If THEY be worthy”

Anonymous Thu 27 Jun 06:22:25 2019 No.108384613 View Reply Original Report

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Does this mean that only multiple people working together can lift Mjolnir at a given time? ¯\_(?)_/¯

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 27 Jun 2019 06:23:11 No.108384619 Report

Quoted By: >>108384655

>>108384613
If one or more of them are worthy, you faggot

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 27 Jun 2019 06:26:46 No.108384655 Report

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>>108384619
They isn’t a singular pronoun.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 27 Jun 2019 06:27:07 No.108384659 Report

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"They" is gender neutral. Learn 2 English.

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Anonymous Thu 27 Jun 2019 06:27:37 No.108384667 Report

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>>108384613
The inscription isn't even facing the right direction. Aaron can't even get something so simply right.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 27 Jun 2019 06:28:24 No.108384674 Report

Quoted By: >>108384785

"They" has been used as a singular pronoun for antecedents of unknown gender since at least 1375, so OP, you are a faggot.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 27 Jun 2019 06:28:37 No.108384677 Report

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>>108384667
Magic adjustable writing

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 27 Jun 2019 06:31:06 No.108384703 Report

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OP's shitposting aside, a big crowd of people desperately trying to lift the hammer and drag it over to a depowered and helpless Thor would make for a pretty sweet page.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 27 Jun 2019 06:32:25 No.108384720 Report

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>>108384703
And that would see precedent in Norse mythology, since after Ragnarok, Thor's sons had to carry Mjolnir jointly.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 27 Jun 2019 06:38:34 No.108384785 Report

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>>108384674
Makes me recall a stupid debate over linguistic purity in German.
A lot of purists are of the opinion that the phrase "Sinn machen" - "to make sense" is clearly an anglicism that should be avoided because the construction is an artificial parallel to English phrasing that sprang out of media translations.
However, there are clearly examples of that phrase, or similar, used in the 18th century. And if it historically fell out of favor, it's clearly back now.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 27 Jun 2019 06:39:59 No.108384795 Report

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>>108384655
This isn't the 1800's faggot. Language changes. They is most certainly used as a singular pronoun.

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Anonymous Thu 27 Jun 2019 06:44:02 No.108384839 Report

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>>108384795
The many prohibitions Victorian grammarians imposed on English (i.e. strictly plural "they, them, their" and prohibitions on sentence-terminal prepositions and split infinitives) came about because they were Latin cock chuggers and were evidently practiced prior. Language does change, but sometimes that change is a return to normalcy.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 27 Jun 2019 06:48:39 No.108384884 Report

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>>108384795
>This isn't the 1800's faggot. Language changes.
So then why the fuck does it use "whosoever" and subjunctive "be"? This isn't modern language, this is archaic language that they added anachronistic political correctness to.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 27 Jun 2019 06:53:56 No.108384946 Report

Quoted By: >>108385151 >>108386315

To all of those saying that language change, that’s true to an extent. Though in this case it’s flat false and has only gotten pushed because of PC nonsense. If you think it should be used because people use the word incorrectly, I suppose every common mistake ought to be made acceptable. Or we can maintain the rules that make the most sense in conjunction with correct usages.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 27 Jun 2019 06:57:03 No.108384972 Report

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>>108384613
It takes uo less space than “he or she”. Roll with it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 27 Jun 2019 07:19:45 No.108385151 Report

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>>108384946
I would argue there is a difference between a doctrinal shift from generic he to singular they, and canonising a genuine mistake.
Namely intent and reasoning. Nobody argues for an ignorant error.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 27 Jun 2019 07:38:03 No.108385299 Report

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>>108384613
just liberals ruining more things with their identity politics

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 27 Jun 2019 07:46:58 No.108385371 Report

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>>108384613
I use singular they a lot because I’m a paranoid fuck and use the vaguest language possible in every situation

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 27 Jun 2019 07:53:19 No.108385425 Report

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>>108384655
Every major dictionary disagrees. It has been a singular pronoun for a while.
The resistance to singular ‘they’ has nothing to do with rules about language usage and changes, it stems exclusively from conservative butthurt

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Anonymous Thu 27 Jun 2019 08:19:45 No.108385616 Report

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There needs to be a real gender-neutral term for people. "They" sounds like some hivemind whenever I hear it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 27 Jun 2019 08:40:34 No.108385750 Report

Quoted By: >>108386062

Language only changes because it is improperly mantained. With advent of internet laguage changes should be stoped

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 27 Jun 2019 08:44:16 No.108385779 Report

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>>108384613
>>108384655
You are breathtakingly unintelligent

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 27 Jun 2019 08:54:07 No.108385849 Report

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>>108385779
No, you are breathtaking!

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 27 Jun 2019 08:58:00 No.108385883 Report

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>>108384613
I mean, it didn't make sense to keep it as "he" now that we know that women can lift it too.
Kind of like how Star Trek changed from "Where no man has gone before" to "Where no one has gone before". It's an extremely minor change really.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 27 Jun 2019 09:21:19 No.108386025 Report

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>>108384613
Pretty sure the What-If with Thor Rogue did it first.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 27 Jun 2019 09:28:08 No.108386062 Report

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>>108385750
>Language only changes because it is improperly maintained.
Or to fill gaps in denotation and/or connotation for a particular language.

That line even includes an example. And/or is a modern substitute for or in an inclusive context to differentiate it from an exclusive or.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 27 Jun 2019 09:36:58 No.108386107 Report

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>Does this mean that only multiple people working together can lift Mjolnir at a given time?
"holds" is singular which means whosoever is either singular or nonspecific.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 27 Jun 2019 09:45:48 No.108386152 Report

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>>108384613
The only thing that bothers me is that handle. What a weak ass and awkward looking handle.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 27 Jun 2019 10:12:46 No.108386307 Report

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>>108384884
They didn't. The singular pronoun "they" is as old as anything else in the inscription.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 27 Jun 2019 10:14:16 No.108386315 Report

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>>108384946
This prescriptive framing of language (any language) is boorish. Usage is the only thing that dictates anything approaching rules, and as such, we can say quite definitively that "they" has always been used in the singular.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 27 Jun 2019 10:20:19 No.108386352 Report

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>>108384884
The English subjunctive mood isn't obsolete. Neither is "whosoever," but it's fairly plain you're arguing from the political instead of the scientific.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 27 Jun 2019 10:25:47 No.108386378 Report

Quoted By: >>108386593

>>108384884
"They" as singular gender neutral was used in Shakespeare's work you uneducated cretin.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 27 Jun 2019 10:25:50 No.108386379 Report

Quoted By: >>108387066

>>108385616
Xer, Xir and Zyzz

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 27 Jun 2019 10:27:36 No.108386393 Report

Quoted By: >>108386593

>>108384884
>subjunctive
That clause isn't even in the subjunctive; it's conditional you retard.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 27 Jun 2019 10:29:00 No.108386401 Report

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>>108386152
thats fairly faithful to the myth. Loki fucked with the dwarf who was forging it which caused the handle to end up too short and uncomfortably shaped

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 27 Jun 2019 10:31:22 No.108386419 Report

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>>108384720
>"You ready Móði?"
>"Not really!"
>They both get dragged off by Mjolnir into the sunset.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 27 Jun 2019 10:32:24 No.108386433 Report

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>>108384613
>>108384655
Damn, you are dumb. Not that much of a surprise since you made a thread like this.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 27 Jun 2019 10:35:40 No.108386453 Report

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>>108385849
It's so good to know people can tell when Thrud is shitposting on 4chan.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 27 Jun 2019 10:37:35 No.108386464 Report

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>>108384655
>The singular they had emerged by the 14th century, about a century after plural they.
The world isn't what you want it to be anon. Denying facts doesn't make them untrue, it makes you a retarded cum guzzling faggot who cannot cope with a perfectly valid if uncommon word.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 27 Jun 2019 10:40:08 No.108386481 Report

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Who puts dots on a hammer

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 27 Jun 2019 10:49:06 No.108386529 Report

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>>108385616
they is the only nonstupid gender neutral term. before that it was weird stuff like hir/hirself

>>108384613
>it's not whomsoever
it's not that accurate anyway

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Anonymous Thu 27 Jun 2019 11:00:38 No.108386593 Report

Quoted By: >>108386632

>>108386307
>>108386378
Just because singular "they" existed doesn't mean it was common or used in all the same contexts as it is now. Even today it's informal.
>>108386352
>The English subjunctive mood isn't obsolete.
"If they be" sure as fuck is.
>Neither is "whosoever,"
It's archaic and limited to VERY formal language. The sort of formal language that doesn't use singular "they".
>>108386393
>That clause isn't even in the subjunctive; it's conditional you retard.
All the literature I've read calls it subjunctive. Pic related.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 27 Jun 2019 11:07:04 No.108386625 Report

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>>108384655
They is legit to designate "one or more".

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 27 Jun 2019 11:08:07 No.108386632 Report

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>>108386593
>Just because singular "they" existed do
Irrelevant. They is still legit to designate "one or more".

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 27 Jun 2019 11:20:52 No.108386698 Report

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>>108384613

No, from the context it sounds more like there are (or at least could be) more than one person worthy to wield mjolnir.

I suppose if those people wanted to work together to lift it for some reason they could, but IIRC it weighs no more than a mundane hammer - possibly less - to such a hero which would make it seem kinda pointless

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Anonymous Thu 27 Jun 2019 11:22:08 No.108386711 Report

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>>108384655
You better be pretending or ESL.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 27 Jun 2019 11:25:35 No.108386728 Report

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>>108384655
Are you non-white by any chance?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 27 Jun 2019 11:31:49 No.108386760 Report

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>>108384655
Someone runs you off the road and then approaches the wreckage. They have a knife. They come up close and say "Everything in this post is grammatically sound."

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Anonymous Thu 27 Jun 2019 11:39:11 No.108386801 Report

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>>108384720
Well the whole thing about the mythology version was that the hammer wasn't a matter of actual WORTH so much as it was about needing to be retardly strong to even tough the thing without dying. Even Thor wore iron gauntlets and had a magical belt that doubled his already beefy strength.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 27 Jun 2019 11:41:52 No.108386827 Report

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>>108385849
Flattery won't get you anywhere

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 27 Jun 2019 12:06:44 No.108387011 Report

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>>108386801
pretty sure it's about worth. it's obviously ripped from the sword in the stone mythology

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Anonymous Thu 27 Jun 2019 12:08:24 No.108387021 Report

Quoted By: >>108387053

Nice

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Anonymous Thu 27 Jun 2019 12:12:40 No.108387053 Report

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>>108387021
Solid

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 27 Jun 2019 12:14:31 No.108387066 Report

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>>108386379
We're all gonna make it, brahs

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 27 Jun 2019 13:05:44 No.108387463 Report

Quoted By: >>108387799

"They" is plural.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 27 Jun 2019 13:36:12 No.108387799 Report

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>>108387463
And singular.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 27 Jun 2019 15:21:14 No.108388993 Report

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>>108385616
Xe.
If Xe be worthy shall possess the power of Thor.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 27 Jun 2019 15:23:50 No.108389013 Report

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>>108384613
"They" can also be used for the singular, anon.
Come on, aren't conservatives tired by now of having no cultural relevance?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 27 Jun 2019 15:24:15 No.108389019 Report

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>>108384613
No, it's setting up the future Thor storyline where a trans person with They/Them/Zir/Zim/Buttermilk pronouns becomes the new Thor.

He goes by Thar though, that's them's preferred name in the future comic.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 27 Jun 2019 15:27:36 No.108389053 Report

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>>108386401
Goddammit Loki

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 27 Jun 2019 15:28:32 No.108389061 Report

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>>108384655
why is this board so fucking retarded?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 27 Jun 2019 15:32:26 No.108389096 Report

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>>108385616
It and they

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