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what does "STRONG FEMALE CHARACTER" mean?

Anonymous Sun 07 Oct 23:25:46 2018 No.103423556 View Reply Original Report

is it a girl that posesses above average strengh ?

is it a girl with superhuman mental resistance ?

I don't get it

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Anonymous Sun 07 Oct 2018 23:30:18 No.103423633 Report

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It means she can cook and clean really, really well.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Oct 2018 23:31:47 No.103423653 Report

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>>103423556
ideally it's "she's a female character who actually has agency in the story"

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Oct 2018 23:32:10 No.103423661 Report

Quoted By: >>103432476 >>103435853 >>103442546

>>103423556
It’s supposed to mean “well developed female character” but hacks read it as “female character who is really good at everything>>

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Anonymous Sun 07 Oct 2018 23:32:23 No.103423662 Report

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>>103423556
a strong superhero just means anyone who can deal with the mental trauma and responsibility that comes with the job. male or female doesn't matter.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Oct 2018 23:35:26 No.103423716 Report

Quoted By: >>103424338 >>103432527

>>103423556
a female character that has strengths and isn't flawless, is not designed around being a mary sue, and is not just a male character genderbent

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Oct 2018 23:43:52 No.103423881 Report

Quoted By: >>103440628

>>103423556
Strong refers to mental/emotional tenacity. A strong person is someone who is courageous, determined, & independent.

But strength isn't really a personality trait. It's more of a state of mind. Sometimes a character can be strong, other times can be weak. It's just misunderstandings all around.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Oct 2018 23:46:17 No.103423916 Report

Quoted By: >>103427623 >>103443936

>>103423556
One who has actual human characteristics and reasonable abilities, instead of being a shameless self insert.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Oct 2018 23:48:08 No.103423954 Report

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>>103423556
When critics negatively refer to a "STRONG FEMALE CHARACTER" it's because the character is powerful but not actually a good character.
Ellen Ripley is a strong female character (unironic sense).
Natasha Romanov in the MCU is a STRONG FEMALE CHARACTER (ironic sense).

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Anonymous Mon 08 Oct 2018 00:03:27 No.103424259 Report

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>>103423556
No matter the gender, race, or any other important identifyin trait, they can all share the same traits that can be seen as strong and positive. I never liked the strong female thing cause there's nothin in it that makes a strong female different from a strong male. The background might be different, but what's important is they're developed.

I will say to anyone readin, a big don't in portrayin a strong character that happens to be a girl - don't give em that phoenix-from-the-ashes stuff where they get beaten up or raped or both. It's been done too often, especially in 80s B movies that exploited it, or worse, shot it in such a way that it came across as sexualized. Showin those same characters comin back to get their revenge ain't flatterin, especially to those who have been through it.

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Anonymous Mon 08 Oct 2018 00:06:50 No.103424338 Report

Quoted By: >>103424500 >>103427623 >>103429446 >>103438353 >>103440879 >>103441784

>>103423716
So Korra and Rose Quartz.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 08 Oct 2018 00:13:57 No.103424500 Report

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>>103424338
The only problem with those two is that they still win / get what they want which make it feel undeserved.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 08 Oct 2018 00:24:28 No.103424736 Report

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a character generally not defined by being a woman, but the experience informing her character.

believable internal psychology, attempts to avoid previous stereotypes (not just an ass-kicker or just 'one of the boys') of strength.

Generally you can have a conversation about her character that lasts more than two minutes.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 08 Oct 2018 00:33:04 No.103424907 Report

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Well what it's mostly used for is a woman who's inexplicably able to easily overpower somebody twice her size despite being at most slightly muscular (and probably not even that)

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Anonymous Mon 08 Oct 2018 00:37:16 No.103425005 Report

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>>103423556
Pic related.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 08 Oct 2018 01:43:23 No.103426512 Report

Quoted By: >>103429691

>>103423556
The ones with huge muscles and abs

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 08 Oct 2018 01:55:58 No.103426722 Report

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>>103423556
Ideally, it would be a girl presented with hardships that she overcomes through strength of will (determination, perseverance, mental fortitude to stick to her guns)
However, most writers take is as meaning a 'stronk womyn' instead. A 'stronk womyn rages against male characters because they are male and is always right even when she is wrong. And adversity she faces isn't the "time to re-evaluate my life' kind, but the 'HAHA, I AM A MAN AND THINK WOMEN ARE NOT AS GOOD AS MEN' kind.
I don't know why modern writers view feminine traits as weak and refuse to write women who are strong instead of what they produce, but there ya go.

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Anonymous Mon 08 Oct 2018 01:57:21 No.103426744 Report

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Female or meme gender that is good at everything while smashing the patriarchy and impeaching drumpf.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 08 Oct 2018 02:01:15 No.103426812 Report

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>>103423556
it means bad character, because if you're approaching character building from that motivation, it's doomed to be facile pandering trash

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 08 Oct 2018 02:01:24 No.103426818 Report

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>>103423556
You want the actual definition or the definition according to SJWs that make crappy "strong female characters"?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 08 Oct 2018 02:38:54 No.103427476 Report

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225 bench is pretty strong for a woman.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 08 Oct 2018 02:44:26 No.103427573 Report

Quoted By: >>103429433

https://www.deviantart.com/murrlogic1/gallery/

Memes aside do drawings and depictions of women like these technically fit the definition of what Tumblr is looking for or is it like all things Tumblr hates is it also imaginary

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Anonymous Mon 08 Oct 2018 02:47:08 No.103427619 Report

Quoted By: >>103429584 >>103435261 >>103436222 >>103444918

>>103423556

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 08 Oct 2018 02:47:17 No.103427623 Report

Quoted By: >>103435323 >>103435357

>>103424338
>>103423916
>>103423556

I would say a good example would be Diane from Bojack Horseman

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Anonymous Mon 08 Oct 2018 02:50:13 No.103427682 Report

Quoted By: >>103429475 >>103443123

Never not applicable.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 08 Oct 2018 02:52:48 No.103427718 Report

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She has enough performance enhancing drugs in her system that a single drop of her blood could explode the hearts of a hundred Zyzzes

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 08 Oct 2018 03:13:01 No.103428103 Report

Quoted By: >>103428944 >>103434580

>>103423556
It means a female character that isn't weak. It's idiotic and overused by feminists who don't realize that by constant reinforcing that distinction--STRONG female character vs. the alternative--they're insinuating that females are, by default, weak. This is why you never see men identify male characters as "strong male characters", because of what it implies of every other male character.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 08 Oct 2018 03:55:27 No.103428944 Report

Quoted By: >>103429346 >>103432487

>>103428103
The distinction is useful because most male main characters have agency: they do things that cause the story to flow.
Most female main characters in in media do not have agency: the story happens to them.
Most female leads in television and film ARE weak, and most male leads are strong. Thus, it is notable when a piece of media subverts these norms.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 08 Oct 2018 04:19:21 No.103429346 Report

Quoted By: >>103429831

>>103428944
You say that most female characters have no agency. I say that's nonsense and the status quo changed long, long ago. I can't even think of the last action film I saw where the male lead made all the decisions that affected the story and the female co-leads simply tagged along, and the action genre is supposed to be notoriously misogynistic. When every female lead is classified as "strong" it's no longer notable, it's cliched.

Meanwhile, in the real world, men and women alike are strong *and* weak. There are times when you have agency in a situation and there are times when the stories really does just happen to you, and the latter category does not only apply to female characters in films.

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Anonymous Mon 08 Oct 2018 04:25:07 No.103429433 Report

Quoted By: >>103430482

>>103427573
>Its a parallel on how normally society identifies negative stereotypes but they only ever stereotype it in a certain way that fits their narrative Lemee explain it like this. How often do you watch Cartoons or Animation of any variety where they decide to do an episode where the theme of the episode is about spreading either an environmental message or they create a character for the sole purpose of helping to spread an environmental message When people, animators/writers whatever feel the need to make plots like this their archetype of choice on how they write the episode is "Lets draw a White, Tall, Shady looking (sometimes fat really depends upon how cartoonish the show in question is) Billionaire 1-Dimensional Character who doesn't care or think about the long term consequences for his actions because as long as it continues to make money he doesn't give a shit" They have been making this one type of character in the industry for YEARS! I am so sick of seeing characters like this not because its a bad character type but because its demonized to where people start to think "Man why would they ever draw a female equivalent to a character like this it just doesn't exist." And yeah its hard how in the real world you need to really think about if such a character like this could ever exist in the real world which is probably why its so easy to make a character like they have been making for what feels like forever now in the Cartoon world because that one character can represent either one type of person that fits that narrative or a whole group of people that could fit that narrative. I'm just saying we live in a world where a female equivalent of this character I am describing is very rarely seen so I wanted to bring more attention to this fact by making more of them
holy fuck he posted an explanation for his weird fetish

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 08 Oct 2018 04:26:15 No.103429446 Report

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>>103424338
Yeah. Honestly Korra’s a good character, the story just never lets her learn from her actions.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 08 Oct 2018 04:28:07 No.103429475 Report

Quoted By: >>103429838

>>103427682
I want to FUCK the strong female characters.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 08 Oct 2018 04:28:25 No.103429479 Report

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>>103423556
>what does "STRONG FEMALE CHARACTER" mean?
It's whatever the women want it to be at any given time and can be applied to any character whether or not they actually fit that description

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 08 Oct 2018 04:34:24 No.103429575 Report

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>>103423556
What it should mean:
>Three-dimensional female character that has a stake in the plot and takes action to achieve her goals.
What it does mean:
>Whatever farms the most outrage for them sweet sweet clicks.

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Anonymous Mon 08 Oct 2018 04:34:48 No.103429584 Report

Quoted By: >>103429613 >>103435261 >>103436373

>>103427619
This is a good summary of at least one kind, though I do feel it's a bit more focused on the action, sci-fi, and fantasy genre. In general it's the lady version of the "badass" cool guy who nobody thinks is cool and everyone rolls their eyes at. Pic related are two shining examples in film from the 2000's.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 08 Oct 2018 04:36:34 No.103429613 Report

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>>103429584
But those are actually fun movies with entertainingly one dimensional characters, nobody thinks the same about something like Rey

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Anonymous Mon 08 Oct 2018 04:38:17 No.103429640 Report

Quoted By: >>103433412

>>103423556
Very smelly armpits.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 08 Oct 2018 04:39:14 No.103429660 Report

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>>103423556
Good video on the subject:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ky4MIftjUDE

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 08 Oct 2018 04:41:27 No.103429691 Report

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>>103426512
Abs are muscles, retard.

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Anonymous Mon 08 Oct 2018 04:44:01 No.103429736 Report

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>>103424259
>don't give em that phoenix-from-the-ashes stuff where they get beaten up or raped or both

Using kids gloves like that sounds a sure way to make a female character inferior to and less popular than a male one. The best "strong" characters, male or female, are made to struggle.

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Anonymous Mon 08 Oct 2018 04:50:46 No.103429831 Report

Quoted By: >>103430798 >>103438276

>>103429346
I agree that this is sort of the problem with the term more than anything. I think it's not meant to be about physical strength but more about agency and good characterization, though in the action genre there is a bit of "is able to do cool stuff just like the guys, if not better." That said it winds up being used so often for "character I like," that it became meaningless, and by now the female part should really be dropped except for in cases where that may not be the expectation.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 08 Oct 2018 04:51:09 No.103429838 Report

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>>103429475
I don't.
They're obviously incredibly annoying people to spend time around.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 08 Oct 2018 05:15:27 No.103430142 Report

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>>103423556
It means being in the kitchen for reasons other than "cuz society demands it".

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 08 Oct 2018 05:44:28 No.103430482 Report

Quoted By: >>103430982

>>103429433
Isn't it pretty obvious why the "rich old white man" archetype exists? Because the overwhelming majority of corporate and industrial founders and CEOs are (or have historically been) white dudes? If there was an archetype for benevolent business leaders preaching community and environmentalism, that role would also be played by old white dudes. It's realistic.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 08 Oct 2018 06:10:39 No.103430768 Report

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>>103423556
It means big muscular futa Amazon that can pin me down and fuck me
0w0

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 08 Oct 2018 06:12:49 No.103430798 Report

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>>103429831
>that pic
I lol'd

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 08 Oct 2018 06:24:46 No.103430904 Report

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>>103423556
It's a term made to psych-out and intimidate writers from writing compelling female characters freely, and because of that both male and female writers are compensating and stressing so hard on creating a decent female character that always end up being:
>This female character is literally strong and that's it
>This female character is smarter and more insightful and that's it
>This female character is an equivalent to a pop feminist and that's it
and the infamous
>This female character is a good character because she's been raped, is depressed, has anxiety, and went through many other past traumatic events only to hammer in the point that she's no a Mary Sue or one-dimensional

A "strong female character" is an overall well-written character that fits into the universe and it's rules, the character must go through a well grounded struggle within that universe that makes the audience anxious and certain for the female character's choices or the indirect realization that the universe doesn't completely revolve around them regardless of the characters short term failures and success, basically an actual interesting character.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 08 Oct 2018 06:33:25 No.103430975 Report

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>>103423556
It's a girl with the attributes of a boy, ie She-Ra.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 08 Oct 2018 06:34:01 No.103430982 Report

Quoted By: >>103432320

>>103430482
>Isn't it pretty obvious why the "rich old white man" archetype exists?
Because making them Jews would get you blacklisted from Hollywood in a heartbeat?

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Anonymous Mon 08 Oct 2018 09:28:35 No.103432314 Report

Quoted By: >>103432381 >>103439602

This is.

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Anonymous Mon 08 Oct 2018 09:29:46 No.103432320 Report

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>>103430982
>Because making them Jews would get you blacklisted from Hollywood in a heartbeat?
You are aware than most of the wealthy people in the US ae WASP, right?

Fuck, most of the top fortune in the world aren't even jews.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 08 Oct 2018 09:39:59 No.103432381 Report

Quoted By: >>103439602

>>103432314
Her whole story here:
http://pl123.pairlitesite.com/veneida/Veneida.pdf

Also, she smoke cigar.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 08 Oct 2018 10:01:09 No.103432476 Report

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>>103423661
3rd post got it right. The term Strong female character started because female characters were mostly one dimensional add-ons, either love interests, damsels, diversity quotas or props. Well developed female characters were then called Strong female characters.

Strong male character term doesn't exist, and it doesn't mean physically or mentally strong.

The major problem with current ideal of making strong female character is by abandoning their femininity and justifying bad writing with Mary Sue moments.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 08 Oct 2018 10:02:44 No.103432487 Report

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>>103428944
>Most female leads in television and film ARE weak

Yeah, no I don't buy it.

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Anonymous Mon 08 Oct 2018 10:10:35 No.103432527 Report

Quoted By: >>103434211

>>103423716
Panty and Stocking.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 08 Oct 2018 12:33:37 No.103433412 Report

Quoted By: >>103441055

>>103429640
Is Susan Strong a STRONG FEMALE CHARACTER?

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Anonymous Mon 08 Oct 2018 13:10:20 No.103433724 Report

Quoted By: >>103433800

>>103424259
>"If you're gonna write for females, don't do THIS!!!"

Just sounds like you're limiting options for girl characters while being OK for any trope or cliche for a man character.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 08 Oct 2018 13:19:45 No.103433800 Report

Quoted By: >>103433832 >>103440983

>>103433724
The morale is don't listen to feminists when comes to making women characters. Hell, Ripley was originally written as man and she's one of the best female characters still.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 08 Oct 2018 13:20:07 No.103433804 Report

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It means "boring character"

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 08 Oct 2018 13:23:58 No.103433832 Report

Quoted By: >>103434809

>>103433800
>she's one of the best female characters still
ehhh...

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Anonymous Mon 08 Oct 2018 13:24:26 No.103433838 Report

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>>103423556
That it's a bad show

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 08 Oct 2018 13:56:07 No.103434173 Report

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>>103423556
In modern media it just means "girl who backtalks men and is sassy and always right"

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 08 Oct 2018 14:01:15 No.103434211 Report

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>>103432527
...yes, actually. Fuck.

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Anonymous Mon 08 Oct 2018 14:06:11 No.103434253 Report

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>>103423556

Ideally, "strong female characters" are women who can stand as their own protagonists, but most of the time it's self-inserts to push hack politics.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 08 Oct 2018 14:14:33 No.103434344 Report

Quoted By: >>103434403 >>103438353

>>103424259
What if I lull people into thinking that she's some innocent victim of other people, to reveal that she's a pretty shitty person herself all her psychological trauma is self-inflicted?

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Anonymous Mon 08 Oct 2018 14:20:58 No.103434403 Report

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>>103434344
mite b kewl

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Anonymous Mon 08 Oct 2018 14:22:26 No.103434422 Report

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>>103424907
Nah, the assumption that a "strong female character" means a literally, physically strong character who kicks ass in fights and easily defeats opponents who should be much stronger is a wrong, mistaken interpretation. Common, but false. "Strong character" means a well-developed, mentally strong character with a full personality and flaws, as opposed to a shit cardboard one-note character.

In the past, female characters often were sort of non-persons cut out of cardboard, "the princess to be saved", "the hottie the hero is rewarded with for saving the day", "the bitch" etc. The demand for strong female characters just means wanting female chars who'd have personalities that are as nuanced and developed as what the male characters have.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 08 Oct 2018 14:35:01 No.103434580 Report

Quoted By: >>103435170

>>103428103
Nah. There's not as much calling for "strong male characters" because there's already so much of them around. Usually every single story has at least a few of them around, and if there's just 1 "strong" (well-written) character they're usually the protagonist or the antagonist, usually male. It's very rare to find stories where you'd have well written female characters but every single male is there just to be personality -less eye candy the heroine gets rewarded with at the end. Hell, even in romcoms the men tend to have some personality and agency.

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Anonymous Mon 08 Oct 2018 14:37:24 No.103434610 Report

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hacks will tell you otherwise, the truth is that the strong lead hates men and kicks them in the groin. Its rude.

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Anonymous Mon 08 Oct 2018 14:46:26 No.103434759 Report

Quoted By: >>103435196

The real fact of the matter is that the west will never be able to truly write a "strong female character" without injecting some social issue bullshit into it. Strong Independent Woman who don't need no mans telling her what to do is the absolute extent of the characteristics of strong females in western animation/comics.
The EAST on the other hand.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 08 Oct 2018 14:49:44 No.103434809 Report

Quoted By: >>103434911

>>103433832
We don't talk about Alien Resurrection.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 08 Oct 2018 14:55:22 No.103434911 Report

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>>103434809
4 is a pretty fun movie and has some neat characters and visuals, but it does fall flat compared to the first 2.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 08 Oct 2018 14:56:55 No.103434944 Report

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Man I just want cute looking muscle girls

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 08 Oct 2018 14:57:49 No.103434964 Report

Quoted By: >>103435003

>>103423556
The opposite of a damsel in distress.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 08 Oct 2018 14:59:48 No.103435003 Report

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>>103434964
But a damsel can also be a strong character

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 08 Oct 2018 15:10:41 No.103435170 Report

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>>103434580
I've only read a dozen romance novels (all from the 20s-60s), but in most of them the female leads are fleshed out and interesting characters, the "antagonist" is really a personality flaw they have to change within themselves, and their suitors are flatter than the paper they're printed on.
Example: Jeanne Judson's Prelude to Spring. What's Arthur's deal? He teaches at a college, plays tennis, and has a beard. He has no other traits. He performs no function within the story other than being the protagonist's designated love interest. He is by far the worst character in the story, rivaled only by the other male "leads".

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 08 Oct 2018 15:12:12 No.103435196 Report

Quoted By: >>103435304 >>103435809 >>103441038 >>103444299

>>103434759
the easy has a hat labelled " the 6 generic female character stereotypes"
and pulls one from it every time they have a female character

therefore the water doesn't have to have development or personality, since you can just look at the character, know which type they're trying to be, and inject everything that's missing because it's going to be right

weebs always forget that 90% of Eastern Co is shovelled out shlock just like the West. we only hear about the rare work that's worth coming our way

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 08 Oct 2018 15:12:41 No.103435206 Report

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>>103423653

/thread

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 08 Oct 2018 15:14:22 No.103435228 Report

Quoted By: >>103435644

Is it wrong that, as a writer, I usually write out a character and then flip a coin for gender unless some plot-relevant purpose says otherwise?

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Anonymous Mon 08 Oct 2018 15:17:19 No.103435261 Report

Quoted By: >>103440088

>>103427619
>>103429584
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmV1-Z8xvcE

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 08 Oct 2018 15:21:06 No.103435304 Report

Quoted By: >>103435411

>>103435196
Beserk existed before most “strong female character” stereotypes were even a thing my guy. I’m not saying ALL of the east > west, or that eastern fremale characters are revolutionary or special, but relatively to the ones we see now in western media are better generally.

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Anonymous Mon 08 Oct 2018 15:22:40 No.103435323 Report

Quoted By: >>103435459 >>103443343

>>103427623
>praising the writer's shitty self insert that gets away with every shitty thing she does and is portrayed as the only intelligent human being while everyone else is a stupid animal
yikes

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Anonymous Mon 08 Oct 2018 15:25:14 No.103435357 Report

Quoted By: >>103435459 >>103443343

>>103427623
>mary sue mouthpiece
>good
Pick one

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Anonymous Mon 08 Oct 2018 15:29:12 No.103435411 Report

Quoted By: >>103435479 >>103435572

>>103435304
No fuck it let's say it
>ALL of the east > west
Because the Manga industry has been investing in talented woman authors who actually sold books and weren't put in those positions fill a quota or as "virtue signal" to a specific social movement.

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Anonymous Mon 08 Oct 2018 15:31:46 No.103435459 Report

Quoted By: >>103435519

>>103435323
>>103435357
>such a shitty person that even her own therapist dumped her for being such a self-absorbed monster
>perfect

okay then

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Anonymous Mon 08 Oct 2018 15:33:16 No.103435479 Report

Quoted By: >>103435546 >>103435572

>>103435411
>ALL of the east > west
This is objectively untrue and you know it.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 08 Oct 2018 15:35:52 No.103435519 Report

Quoted By: >>103435601

>>103435459
The entire point of her being a Mary Sue isn’t attributed to the fact she’s “mentally unstable”, but the fact that NOBODY opposes her. She’s a MS mouthpiece because nobody puts her in her place, or really puts up a argument against her. She’s literally just an existence for the writers to use to project themselves into the show with their individual opinions.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 08 Oct 2018 15:37:30 No.103435546 Report

Quoted By: >>103435593 >>103435673

>>103435479
Regarding the role of women in the industry? Yes it's objectively true.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 08 Oct 2018 15:39:21 No.103435572 Report

Quoted By: >>103435583 >>103435673 >>103437229

>>103435479
>>103435411
Daily reminder that some EU feminist wanted to take down Hentai because sexism and actually female mangaka came forward to protest because they would lose their jobs.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 08 Oct 2018 15:40:26 No.103435583 Report

Quoted By: >>103437229

>>103435572
Not the EU, but the UN. That makes it better.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 08 Oct 2018 15:40:57 No.103435593 Report

Quoted By: >>103435648 >>103435668 >>103435696 >>103435867

>>103435546
Quick, name more than three female mangaka who don't work for CLAMP.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 08 Oct 2018 15:41:45 No.103435601 Report

Quoted By: >>103435757 >>103435777 >>103443477

>>103435519
Diane is opposed constantly. Her entire life in season 5 is a shitty wreck because the people in her life are no longer putting up with her bullshit. It's important that this happen to her because it drives home the point that despite everything she pretends to be, she really is just as bad as BoJack and sets up her death in season 6.

The person you're thinking of is Todd. He's the mouthpiece who no one opposes and who never suffers consequences for his actions, ever, because he's the character everyone in the show inexplicably loves.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 08 Oct 2018 15:45:20 No.103435644 Report

Quoted By:

>>103435228
Possibly. Men and women have differences and face different challenges. There's no such thing as a person who is unaffected by their sex. However for a story sometimes it's fine for sex to be irrelevant since the reader may only see a small fraction of their life.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 08 Oct 2018 15:45:26 No.103435648 Report

Quoted By: >>103435687

>>103435593

Rumiko Takahashi
Naoko Takeuchi
Kaouru Mori
Hiromi Arakawa

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 08 Oct 2018 15:47:02 No.103435668 Report

Quoted By:

>>103435593
Rumiko Takahashi and Naoko Takeuchi aren't CLAMP. Also Hiromu Arakawa and Kaoru Mori.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 08 Oct 2018 15:47:12 No.103435673 Report

Quoted By: >>103435725 >>103437229 >>103439818

>>103435572
The UN was a mistake
>>103435546
I’ll agree with you on a middle ground that most iconic eastern media female characters are better than western, but I draw the line at “most”. You can’t possibly convince me that absolute shit - tiers like main girls of a Battle - School harem are better than Babs, or the axe bitch I can’t remember the name of from New Outlaws.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 08 Oct 2018 15:48:18 No.103435687 Report

Quoted By:

>>103435648
Shit, I forgot about Kaouru Mori.

Yeah, alright. Point taken.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 08 Oct 2018 15:48:57 No.103435696 Report

Quoted By:

>>103435593
Arakawa
Takeuchi
Shinobu

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 08 Oct 2018 15:50:53 No.103435725 Report

Quoted By: >>103435755

>>103435673
You don't understand I am not talking about characters, because what makes a positive female character is a subjective opinion. I am talking about the position occupied by female artist in the industry, which for Japan has been organic since it's international export boom in the second half of the '70.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 08 Oct 2018 15:53:18 No.103435755 Report

Quoted By:

>>103435725
If you’re talking about female writers in general, then you’re absolutely right. Nevermind me best buddi

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 08 Oct 2018 15:53:21 No.103435757 Report

Quoted By: >>103435777

>>103435601
>getting the obvious comedy relief character Todd mixed with the mouthpiece self insert
Okay you clearly lack a grasp of the correct terminology.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 08 Oct 2018 15:54:59 No.103435777 Report

Quoted By:

>>103435601
>>103435757
In all fairness, the writers of Bojack Horseman have no sense whatsoever of comedic timing. Shits like watching Bleach again but WORSE.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 08 Oct 2018 15:57:41 No.103435809 Report

Quoted By:

>>103435196
There's more than 6, there's 10
The overly affectionate one
The cold one
The tomboy
The angry bitch
The crazy bitch
The innocent one
The jaded one
The perfect-but-easily-rattled one
The motherly one
The granny

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 08 Oct 2018 16:01:01 No.103435853 Report

Quoted By:

>>103423661
You forgot that she faces no obstacles and everybody loves her.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 08 Oct 2018 16:01:46 No.103435867 Report

Quoted By: >>103435987

>>103435593
Is Dungeon Meishi in Clamp?
I'm pretty sure the author's female

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 08 Oct 2018 16:12:54 No.103435987 Report

Quoted By:

>>103435867
No. She's not in Clamp.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 08 Oct 2018 16:32:59 No.103436222 Report

Quoted By: >>103444945

>>103427619
But if the she has no explanation whatsoever they're cool with it huh?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 08 Oct 2018 16:43:50 No.103436373 Report

Quoted By:

>>103429584
But people loved Selene. She existed before these one dimensional action heroes were being pushed as deep and powerful representations of anything, and as such was loved for being little more than hot and a badass

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 08 Oct 2018 17:48:21 No.103437229 Report

Quoted By: >>103438156 >>103438365

>>103435572
>>103435583
>>103435673

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 08 Oct 2018 18:47:26 No.103438156 Report

Quoted By:

>>103437229
beautiful

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 08 Oct 2018 18:48:37 No.103438180 Report

Quoted By:

>>103423556
Write a female as you would a man.
There you go.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 08 Oct 2018 18:54:33 No.103438276 Report

Quoted By: >>103439276

>>103429831
never watched sonic
did he really say all that stuff in the show?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 08 Oct 2018 18:58:30 No.103438353 Report

Quoted By:

>>103434344
This is the kind of twist I was expecting in Life is Strange during the last episode's dream sequence.

Then it just backtracks completly and falls flat.

>>103424338
Both these characters are bad but they don't work mostly due being on bad stories rather than being bad characetrs. Altho I'd say them both are bad anyway.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 08 Oct 2018 18:59:02 No.103438365 Report

Quoted By: >>103438419 >>103440028

>>103437229
I find it weirder feminists are not pushing this anymore

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 08 Oct 2018 19:01:42 No.103438419 Report

Quoted By: >>103439037

>>103438365
because it's stupid to attack on two fronts (east and the west)
You have to decimate one front(west) first to boost your ranks and go for the other front(east)
Asians will be the next white male, mark my words

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 08 Oct 2018 19:34:47 No.103438935 Report

Quoted By: >>103439870

>>103423556
>What Does "STRONG FEMALE CHARACTER" Mean?
An insufferable, temperamental cunt who thinks every word she spews out is correct, truthful, and just.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 08 Oct 2018 19:37:58 No.103438971 Report

Quoted By:

>>103423556
It means:
>ambiguously brown female
>fluid sexuality
>colorful awful haircut
>degree in female studies/african studies/queer studies/liberal arts
>has more importance in the story than men
>doesn't need men
>still gets all men
>cucks men
>is actually just a self insert to appease the inner feelings of inferiority the author harbors towards men
So, in sum, a fuck you to men from someone who can't be loved/overcome men
What it should mean is:
>A female character
>With a personality deep enough to engage the viewers attention
>Has a somewhat significant impact on the lives of other characters
>May be the main character

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 08 Oct 2018 19:39:38 No.103439004 Report

Quoted By: >>103439073

>>103423556
Any maingirl from a Miyazaki movie

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 08 Oct 2018 19:41:40 No.103439037 Report

Quoted By:

>>103438419
Will we need to bomb the fucking islamic countries so they start the cycle of non-androphobic media?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 08 Oct 2018 19:43:41 No.103439073 Report

Quoted By: >>103439135

>>103439004
Miyazaki is the perfect example of how you gotta separate the art from the artist, or your art from your ideologies.

His movies are more often than not great, but the man itself is one big asshole.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 08 Oct 2018 19:46:56 No.103439117 Report

Quoted By:

>>103423556
a 'strong character' in general can have a lot of definitions.

From a narrative stand point, the character need not have even mental fortitude, they simply have to be 'written well'. For example, just because the drug addict gets clean and then suffers a relapse does not necessarily mean they're not 'strong' from a writing stand point. Their character is weak, but a weak character can be done well or their weaknesses are hinted at as well as the difficulties that drove them to drugs. And the most important thing about a 'strong' character from a narrative point is that their story is compelling, maybe even emotional. The audience all but DEMANDS to know what happens to them next.

From a character stand point, it could mean 'strong willed' and that they have strength of character. This could mean leaning to not relapse into drugs despite facing the hardships that drove them to it again after getting clean, or having the fortitude to say 'no' to begin with.

Lastly, there's just 'powerful' character who could have done the hard drugs with no ill effect and then turns the dealer into a pretzel with their bare hands.

in the end, it's possible for a character to be all three of these things, though part of the formermost is to show their journey and growth from a broken drug addict desperately trying to cope with stress, to a realized person who has overcome their addictions and trained their body and mind to surpass their old limits.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 08 Oct 2018 19:48:10 No.103439135 Report

Quoted By: >>103439178

>>103439073
It helps that his masterpiece is basically "Dune by Moebius". I don't know why people even pay attention to any aspects of artists outside of their trade... you don't usually care about the worldviews of your mechanic, you just care about his ability to fix your car.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 08 Oct 2018 19:51:31 No.103439178 Report

Quoted By: >>103439323 >>103439326 >>103439441 >>103439893

>>103439135
It's bound to happen with artistic disciplines since they are more about emotion and expression than anything else.
Still, unless your work is of political or critical intentions, adding politics and ideologies is a bad thing to do with art, since that means taking sides and that allienates a big chunk of your audience right off the bat.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 08 Oct 2018 19:58:52 No.103439276 Report

Quoted By:

>>103438276
Yes, there was a lot of meta humor in it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 08 Oct 2018 20:02:15 No.103439323 Report

Quoted By:

>>103439178
i find that politics are crutches when dealing with art. They help noobs express their feelings if they're more politically inclined, but many lose themselves in it and aren't able to come out and evolve their technique to express anything but propaganda.
Politics can stir the medio loco of humans, but they're only the spoon, not the soup.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 08 Oct 2018 20:02:23 No.103439326 Report

Quoted By: >>103439354

>>103439178
Sometimes going hard enough into one side that it becomes parody can attract both sides as your audience. A great example of this is 1997's Starship Troopers. To a lefty it's clear that Earth's government and culture are fucked, but to a neocon it's clear that everything is as it should be.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 08 Oct 2018 20:04:42 No.103439354 Report

Quoted By:

>>103439326
holly fuck man. I literally watched that movie this weekend and though that all the way.
I wasn't sure if the movie was trying to be a satire or a regular patriotic action movie bud damn it was enjoyable.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 08 Oct 2018 20:07:58 No.103439399 Report

Quoted By:

"Strong female character" means you take a male character, slap an ugly sidecut on him, give him whatever retarded moronic political beliefs you, the creator personally have, and then call him a woman.

Done.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 08 Oct 2018 20:10:56 No.103439441 Report

Quoted By: >>103439903

>>103439178
But all of miyazaki's movies are political

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 08 Oct 2018 20:14:52 No.103439502 Report

Quoted By: >>103439564 >>103439619

A strong female character is meant to be a character which combines natural femininity with an ability to succeed in the face of adversity. Take Ellen Ripley from Alien as an example. She looks good, she's naturally feminine, she doesn't hide the fact that she's a woman but she doesn't obsess about it either. She's not strong "in spite of" being a woman, she's strong because she's simply a woman who does what needs to be done to survive.

What SJW's THINK "strong female character" means is a rude, aggressive creature which is barely identifiable as female, which needlessly and pointlessly rebel against what they consider "traditional femininity" by being ugly, crass, stupid and loud. At its core, it's just a dull soapbox for their idiotic, cancerous ideology, shallow as a salt lake and utterly disgusting.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 08 Oct 2018 20:16:34 No.103439524 Report

Quoted By:

>>103423556
A woman who can provide for herself. An independent woman who can solve her own problems. Lots of Miyazaki characters are seen as strong female characters.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 08 Oct 2018 20:19:47 No.103439564 Report

Quoted By: >>103440962

>>103439502
I don't think I've ever seen SJWs say that about female characters. Beyond Rippley's costume, she's seen as universally positive to SJWs. The last five Disney movies contain feminism approved strong female characters who are distinctly feminine and SJW approved.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 08 Oct 2018 20:22:32 No.103439602 Report

Quoted By:

>>103432314
>>103432381
A real life main character.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 08 Oct 2018 20:23:46 No.103439619 Report

Quoted By: >>103439758

>>103439502
Ripley's pretty masculine tho. She is pretty rude, aggressive and generally a forceful person, fitting all the typical tough as nails tropes, she's just also pretty

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 08 Oct 2018 20:29:45 No.103439716 Report

Quoted By:

A strong female character can handle not being the equivalent to a man in some areas of life, and don't get upset about the fact that men and women are genetically different, which usually gives men greater strength (or the capacity for greater strength) than most women.

If the writer has to bend the rules of reality to make her female character compete (and beat) men in areas where women are typically no match for men, it is a very shitty character made for all the wrong reasons.

Girls should be taught that there's nothing wrong with being women, and that they're not expected to match men in any areas of life. Of course, if they WANT TO be matched, they should also accept the increased fatality rate, the lower life expectancy, the higher workloads and all the other shit which makes being a man no fucking fun.

Can't have that "I'm as good as any man" cake and eat it, too.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 08 Oct 2018 20:32:24 No.103439758 Report

Quoted By: >>103439792

>>103439619
>She is pretty rude, aggressive and generally a forceful person
That's more a case of her adapting to the workplace tone. She's scared of the alien, but doesn't let her fear control her.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 08 Oct 2018 20:34:38 No.103439792 Report

Quoted By: >>103440985

>>103439758
So she's pretty much a man with tits

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 08 Oct 2018 20:36:47 No.103439818 Report

Quoted By:

>>103435673
>The UN was a mistake
No, quite on the contrary, it allowed for them to speak out.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 08 Oct 2018 20:40:25 No.103439870 Report

Quoted By:

>>103438935
Jashin-chan?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 08 Oct 2018 20:41:41 No.103439893 Report

Quoted By: >>103439938

>>103439178

>"None of the political messages in this media speak to me, therefor it is apolitical"

Idem stercum, quatum diei.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 08 Oct 2018 20:42:32 No.103439903 Report

Quoted By: >>103439932 >>103444070

>>103439441
And that's usually the weakest aspect of each movie. Though I think what anon means by Miyazaki's worldviews is that he hates weebs.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 08 Oct 2018 20:43:52 No.103439932 Report

Quoted By: >>103444070

>>103439903

The vast majority of artists working within the anime industry hate weebs. Anno was INCENSED when he found out that everyone's favorite was Rei.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 08 Oct 2018 20:44:13 No.103439938 Report

Quoted By: >>103440115

>>103439893
There's a trench between "This show has political ideologies that fit the narrative and are cohesive to the world and societies while may or may not be making a critique of the real world" and "My agenda is the only tue viewpoint of this world"

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 08 Oct 2018 20:44:46 No.103439951 Report

Quoted By: >>103440178

I will never understand how people like Ripley or Miyazaki's characters or Sara Connor. They're so damn boring.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 08 Oct 2018 20:48:45 No.103440028 Report

Quoted By: >>103440097

>>103438365
because most nu-feminists are just corporate whores providing a friendly politically correct PR face to better market ___ product.
The point was never to defend women's rights, it was to sell whatever product they had to sell. even if that means telling everyone who doesnt buy it that they are a bad person and their personal politics dictated their decision to not buy the product rather than the actual quality of said product

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 08 Oct 2018 20:53:02 No.103440088 Report

Quoted By: >>103443692 >>103443887

>>103435261
holy shit
mike=eeyore
jay=piglet
rich=pooh
jack=tigger
beardfat=owl
canadians=gopher and rabbit

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 08 Oct 2018 20:53:37 No.103440097 Report

Quoted By: >>103440204 >>103440326

>>103440028
>telling everyone who doesnt buy it that they are a bad person and their personal politics dictated their decision to not buy the product rather than the actual quality of said product
Source?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 08 Oct 2018 20:54:33 No.103440115 Report

Quoted By: >>103440144

>>103439938

You're either asking for good writing or for people to agree with you (or, I suppose, both). One of these is fair and has nothing to do with politics. The other is an insertion of your own politics.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 08 Oct 2018 20:56:13 No.103440144 Report

Quoted By: >>103440198

>>103440115
Geez anon, I wonder which one I may be asking for given what I said regarding politics.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 08 Oct 2018 20:58:00 No.103440178 Report

Quoted By: >>103440308 >>103440457

>>103439951
I'm curious what female characters do you like?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 08 Oct 2018 20:58:51 No.103440198 Report

Quoted By:

>>103440144

Then your point about political messaging is completely irrelevant. A red herring, at best. Ham-fisted ideology is no more an issue in cartoons than any other poor characterization or exposition.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 08 Oct 2018 20:59:03 No.103440204 Report

Quoted By:

>>103440097
ghostbusters 2016 marketing

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 08 Oct 2018 21:04:24 No.103440308 Report

Quoted By:

>>103440178
I can't even remember one that I like off the top of my head. Most I can recall have personalities so dull I couldn't care less if they live or die.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 08 Oct 2018 21:05:18 No.103440326 Report

Quoted By: >>103440367 >>103440610

>>103440097
Consider "America" by gabby rivera. consider nuGhostbusters, consider the backlash to the backlash of The Last Jedi. Tho to be fair that last one has some really vitriolic fuckfaces on both sides so its less of an ideal example.
Consider the onslaught of "...And That's a Good Thing" articles relating to feminism, but the absence of people in politics or lobbying congress about women's rights.

If the point was women's rights, why are all these nufeminists in media/hollywood and not politics or lobbying? Because the point isnt actual rights, the point is to market a product. The feminist angle is just a different coat paint on the product

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 08 Oct 2018 21:07:35 No.103440367 Report

Quoted By: >>103440415 >>103443957 >>103444566

>>103440326

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 08 Oct 2018 21:10:04 No.103440415 Report

Quoted By:

>>103440367
And that's just related to Star Wars. Try looking for similar shit with nuShe-Ra and Steven Universe. Its there, but without the Disney-level budget to swamp the internet.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 08 Oct 2018 21:12:05 No.103440457 Report

Quoted By:

>>103440178
Actually, wait. I kind of remember liking pic related. Granted she was a total bitch, but maybe that's why I liked her. I'm not sure.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 08 Oct 2018 21:19:09 No.103440610 Report

Quoted By: >>103440749

>>103440326
Your roping together pop culture feminist critique with feminist political action while treating all feminists as some hivemind that's way into defending Ghostbusters in 2018. Even with alll six of my liberal feminist Facebook friends, no one is sharing these clickbait articles because they are unimportant. They'd rather share about trending authors, ironic meme page shit, and articles about how to help a woman in a toxic relationship. Star Wars articles mostly exist for us to argue about because they know that gets clicks.

Either it's clickbait or it's the marketing department pulling string to get people talking, either way it's vaguely feminism and the implication isn't that you need to watch this or be labeled sexist it's closer to "hey wanna trigger some incels?"

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 08 Oct 2018 21:20:04 No.103440628 Report

Quoted By:

>>103423881
>Strong refers to mental/emotional tenacity. A strong person is someone who is courageous, determined, & independent.

In that case there are well written female characters who don't necessarily need fit in that description.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 08 Oct 2018 21:25:10 No.103440749 Report

Quoted By: >>103440818

>>103440610
Still just a part of marketing. The whole idea of "there's no such thing as bad press" comes from marketing/advertising, so being a bunch of trolls helps.
But I'm not suggesting that every last one of them use the phrase "and that's a good thing" as some sorta secret code phrase, or that they are all directly paid by ___ company to help with marketing. SJW culture within media/hollywood is just that obsessive and incapable of coming up with their own ideas and arguments for or against something. Just as much personal ego is going into their movement as corporate image managing

come at it from the other angle. How many of these SJW nufeminists are working just as hard to get say... the ERA passed thru congress? If they genuinely wanted change and equal rights...shouldnt they try to get the ERA moved forward? Even if they think current congress would never pass it, its helpful to get them on the record about it so they could vote the nay-voters out. .....But they dont, do they?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 08 Oct 2018 21:27:24 No.103440809 Report

Quoted By: >>103440846

The "strong female" trite can be summed to that its a ploy not of solely ideological means, but a capital one.
To sell the idea that women are just as good as men comes first, then where it goes from there speaks for itself to whom is behind the wheel.
Then on the reciever end of the message, it can be read as an empowering figurehead, a symbol for a cause and relatable, but to what qualities do the writers, creators and directors show with those characters that are idealic to be "strong and independent"?
I believe personally hardship and breaking down a character across the board is what shapes them. This way of thinking scares most of the big shows and whatnot that pushes this shitty distilled passing version of "strong", and isn't developed.

If you want true equality, just treat the character without gloves.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 08 Oct 2018 21:27:45 No.103440818 Report

Quoted By: >>103440892

>>103440749
It's almost as if... clickbaiters aren't really politically minded people and are just trying to get attention with misleading headlines and flawed ideas...

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 08 Oct 2018 21:29:06 No.103440846 Report

Quoted By: >>103440924 >>103440927

>>103440809
so in other words, writers should be the personal Sithrak to their characters
hate them all equally. Everyone gets a kick in the teeth

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 08 Oct 2018 21:31:04 No.103440879 Report

Quoted By: >>103440936 >>103441010

>>103424338
Really good characters, especially Korra. Liked her much more than Aang, shame the quality of her show was much shakier then post s1 atla

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 08 Oct 2018 21:31:37 No.103440892 Report

Quoted By: >>103440941

>>103440818
not just them. the writers of say... Steven Universe, nuShe-Ra, Ghostbusters 2016 (or at least the director since he primarily just had the actresses adlib thru their scenes until he laughed). The clickbaiters are just a part of that marketing angle that begins with the actual show runners

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 08 Oct 2018 21:33:27 No.103440924 Report

Quoted By:

>>103440846
Sort of. Less plot armor, actually face some reprecaution, tackle mistakes and become accountable, don't get their way, less cookiecutter and all that jazz. That is a consumer desire from one individual, but I've longed to see some female characters get the end of the stick and not pass with flying colors.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 08 Oct 2018 21:33:39 No.103440927 Report

Quoted By:

>>103440846
I don't hate my characters but I like making them suffer. Especially when a bad thing that happens is partly (or completely) their fault.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 08 Oct 2018 21:34:07 No.103440936 Report

Quoted By:

>>103440879
2/10 see me after class

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 08 Oct 2018 21:34:16 No.103440941 Report

Quoted By: >>103441025 >>103441099

>>103440892
But they aren't saying "watch this or you're a bad person".

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 08 Oct 2018 21:35:19 No.103440962 Report

Quoted By:

>>103439564
>The last five Disney movies contain feminism approved strong female characters who are distinctly feminine and SJW approved.

Because they are soapboxes

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 08 Oct 2018 21:36:15 No.103440983 Report

Quoted By: >>103441062

>>103433800
>ripley one of the best character
You are completly retarded kys

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 08 Oct 2018 21:36:28 No.103440985 Report

Quoted By:

>>103439792
Faggot. The whole conflict between her and the alien queen is about two mothers fighting for the sake of their children.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 08 Oct 2018 21:37:53 No.103441010 Report

Quoted By:

>>103440879
> good characters
> Korra

Now I truly know what it feels to browse /co/mblr.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 08 Oct 2018 21:38:40 No.103441025 Report

Quoted By: >>103441070 >>103441078 >>103444975 >>103444998

>>103440941
There was a Youtuber that refused to watch Ghostbusters and journalists literally wrote articles that said "watch this or you're a bad person".

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 08 Oct 2018 21:39:10 No.103441038 Report

Quoted By:

>>103435196
This, I feel eastern media stetotypes characters MUCH much more than the west, though this does apply to male chars aswell

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 08 Oct 2018 21:39:35 No.103441055 Report

Quoted By:

>>103433412
Of course she is, she felt guilty and made up with her lesbian waifu.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 08 Oct 2018 21:40:10 No.103441062 Report

Quoted By:

>>103440983
how does it feel to have shit taste

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 08 Oct 2018 21:40:37 No.103441070 Report

Quoted By: >>103441103

>>103441025
Source please. Shouldn't be too hard.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 08 Oct 2018 21:40:57 No.103441078 Report

Quoted By:

>>103441025
I like how AVGN wasn't even using his usual asshole facade and instead calmly and politely gave his reasons why he wouldn't review the movie, yet still got shit on.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 08 Oct 2018 21:42:04 No.103441099 Report

Quoted By:

>>103440941
Less so SU, but every other show I listed has literally said something along those lines on twitter or in an interview. Which in turn encourages other mouthpieces for the show to continue that line of argument. SU just has a lot of vomitous fans who like to get into arguments with non-fans.
None of these showrunners attempt to stop their fanbase from regurgitating this argument of "you could be a very bad person for not liking ___".
Maybe they're just a bunch of 'hands off' types when it comes to dealing with fanbases... in the 21st century... on twitter and facebook. yeah I'm sure its them being hands-off that keeps them from just writing once "we dont need you to protect our interests nor our ideology "

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 08 Oct 2018 21:42:09 No.103441103 Report

Quoted By: >>103441184 >>103441203 >>103441230 >>103444335

>>103441070

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 08 Oct 2018 21:46:52 No.103441184 Report

Quoted By: >>103441240

>>103441103
>Hillary Clinton looks to Ghostbusters cast to boost feminist cred
I just... there are no words to how twisted and tone deaf this is. When I thought my opinion of her couldnt get any lower, she breaks out a hammer and busts in the floor

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 08 Oct 2018 21:47:47 No.103441203 Report

Quoted By: >>103441271

>>103441103
Nowhere does it say "watch this or you're bad". Most of it is trying to get AVGN's fans to click and argue in the comments box.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 08 Oct 2018 21:48:54 No.103441230 Report

Quoted By: >>103441300

>>103441103
Father Ted one hurts the most.
I know, separate the creator from the creation yadda yadda yadda, but FUCK.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 08 Oct 2018 21:49:27 No.103441240 Report

Quoted By:

>>103441184
It's clickbait, so take it with a grain of salt. She could have tweeted something braindead like "I like it!" and the people at polygon could spin it into a story.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 08 Oct 2018 21:51:04 No.103441271 Report

Quoted By: >>103441369

>>103441203
now you're just nitpicking that it wasnt exactly that phrase. Present a counter argument with your own proof that this is wholly overblown and entirely unrelated to marketing/advertising/PR for a big company.
or you know, fuck off

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 08 Oct 2018 21:52:24 No.103441300 Report

Quoted By: >>103441360

>>103441230
>Father Ted one hurts the most.
What makes it great tho is that now he's the victim of this shit!

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 08 Oct 2018 21:55:34 No.103441360 Report

Quoted By: >>103441401

>>103441300
What happened?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 08 Oct 2018 21:55:56 No.103441369 Report

Quoted By: >>103441479

>>103441271
>There was a Youtuber that refused to watch Ghostbusters and journalists literally wrote articles that said "watch this or you're a bad person".
You literally make shit up based on your feelings.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 08 Oct 2018 21:57:30 No.103441401 Report

Quoted By:

>>103441360
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/father-ted-creator-twitter-transphobia-row-graham-linehan-stephanie-hayden-a8573451.html

He called a transgender by wrong pronoun so they called the cops.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 08 Oct 2018 22:01:17 No.103441479 Report

Quoted By: >>103441531 >>103441686 >>103443099

>>103441369
Did you even read those articles? All those tweets from journalists?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 08 Oct 2018 22:03:07 No.103441523 Report

Quoted By:

What about 5 strong female characters?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 08 Oct 2018 22:03:40 No.103441531 Report

Quoted By:

>>103441479
I think he read them about as much as those journalists actually watched the fucking video.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 08 Oct 2018 22:13:03 No.103441686 Report

Quoted By: >>103442456

>>103441479
I'm looking at one right there in your image that says "It's okay to dislike it, I'm not excited about it, but..." And I gave a fucking click to "The Soft Sexism of Hating on Ghostbusters" and it stats off with "You don't have to be sexist to dislike this movie... but it helps!"
So yeah, even when it says something somewhere in the realm of "watch this or you're sexist" it really isn't because they are trying to get us to click.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 08 Oct 2018 22:17:55 No.103441784 Report

Quoted By:

>>103424338
Both of those dodge consequences from their actions like Bill Clinton dodges sexual assault accusations.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 08 Oct 2018 22:58:50 No.103442456 Report

Quoted By: >>103442589

>>103441686
so what you're saying is its okay to make any disingenuous claim someone wants so long as its just for 'the clicks'. And I'm sure these articles had zero impact on how their respective fandoms dealt with criticizers personally. After all, it was just for duh clickz

what a pathetic no true scotsman argument to make

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 08 Oct 2018 23:01:42 No.103442511 Report

Quoted By:

>>103425005
unironically correct.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 08 Oct 2018 23:04:09 No.103442546 Report

Quoted By: >>103444596

>>103423661
Then is just a good character, not a "strong female character".

People should just stop with this "Strong [Put a group here] character" and just worry if they are good characters in the first place.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 08 Oct 2018 23:06:41 No.103442589 Report

Quoted By: >>103442895

>>103442456
I'm not saying it's okay. You seem to have made a habit of functioning off assumptions to the point that content doesn't matter. I didn't say any of this is okay. They didn't say "watch this or you're sexist". There's a lot of shitty opinions out there and there are shittier, leading headlines meant to provoke us into having these conversations and giving them clicks as we try to decipher what they mean. Or we can just present our uneducated guesses on what these articles are really saying and even getting that wrong because there's this narrative you're clinging to in the face of proof that it's all echo chamber bullshit.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 08 Oct 2018 23:25:07 No.103442895 Report

Quoted By: >>103443267

>>103442589
Those articles make the assumption that those who don't want to watch the movie are sexists. All you are left with is grasping at that anon inappropriate use of the word "literally" many posts ago. How do one person becomes like you, so entrenched into your position that you can't change your world view even when the evidence yourself asked for is presented in front of you?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 08 Oct 2018 23:30:11 No.103442980 Report

Quoted By: >>103443063 >>103443075 >>103443124

Women are worthless

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 08 Oct 2018 23:33:40 No.103443048 Report

Quoted By:

>>103423556
Well I know what I hope for.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 08 Oct 2018 23:34:43 No.103443063 Report

Quoted By: >>103443075 >>103443083

>>103442980
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xS2S1s716R8

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 08 Oct 2018 23:35:28 No.103443075 Report

Quoted By:

>>103442980
based

>>103443063
sòyboy

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 08 Oct 2018 23:35:59 No.103443083 Report

Quoted By:

>>103443063
Sorry the truth hurts you
Also
>TTGo

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 08 Oct 2018 23:36:46 No.103443099 Report

Quoted By:

>>103441479
>giving clicks to shit articles with clickbait titles
Anon, how can you be this dumb?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 08 Oct 2018 23:38:28 No.103443123 Report

Quoted By:

>>103427682
Someone explain the daddy issues one, it just don't make no sense.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 08 Oct 2018 23:38:33 No.103443124 Report

Quoted By:

>>103442980
artificial womb when

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 08 Oct 2018 23:45:05 No.103443234 Report

Quoted By: >>103443295

If anyone here read throne of glass when they were younger, Celeana comes off as strong from the start. For those that don't know, she's this assassin that's brought into a competition to fight for her freedom The problem is she seemingly solves every conflict with ease, never meets her match unless she's purposefully weakened (drugged) or fighting an interdimensional monster (she kills it two pages later), and has the attention of multiple powerful guys that she courts. It comes off at times as wish fulfilment

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 08 Oct 2018 23:46:41 No.103443267 Report

Quoted By: >>103443346

>>103442895
They don't make those assumptions, you do. I actually did reading, clicking, giving them what they want because you see a headline and assume "lol people are mad!" as "watch this or you're sexist". At worst it's "loudly whine about our piece of shit movie and youre a manbaby! click here to find out how!" and at worst "be a culture warrior and support this movie!"
These articles are telling you its okay to dislike the movie and disliking it doesn't make you sexist, but that doesn't matter because you are bent on being a culture warrior yourself.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 08 Oct 2018 23:48:53 No.103443295 Report

Quoted By:

>>103443234
I'm getting Dexter flashbacks just from reading that description. No idea why it's important, but still..

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 08 Oct 2018 23:52:16 No.103443343 Report

Quoted By: >>103443364 >>103443399

>>103435323
>>103435357
Diane is a good character and you idiots literally, unironically only hate her because she is a feminist

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 08 Oct 2018 23:52:32 No.103443346 Report

Quoted By: >>103443502

>>103443267
A couple lines saying the reader to form his own opinions after spending the entire article telling what opinion they should have don't mean anything. Those quickly written lines are there just to give leverage to people like you. It's so sad that you are to them like a sheep to the slaughter, so trustful of its shepard.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 08 Oct 2018 23:53:56 No.103443364 Report

Quoted By: >>103443409 >>103443462

>>103443343
Yes I hate her because I'm sexist, not because she is the writer's pet.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 08 Oct 2018 23:55:50 No.103443399 Report

Quoted By: >>103443530

>>103443343
Is there a character in the main cast who isn't to some degree a feminist?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 08 Oct 2018 23:56:25 No.103443409 Report

Quoted By: >>103443477

>>103443364
I thought Todd and PB were the writer's Peterson if anyone.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 08 Oct 2018 23:59:08 No.103443462 Report

Quoted By:

>>103443364
This but unironically

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 09 Oct 2018 00:00:03 No.103443477 Report

Quoted By: >>103443538

>>103443409
Oh my god it's you>>103435601 again!
Todd is clearly the Comedy Relief, even a blind man could see it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 09 Oct 2018 00:01:24 No.103443502 Report

Quoted By: >>103443573

>>103443346
Those are actually the first lines in those articles. You don't even know what you're mad about.

>like sheep to the slaughter
Oh thank god, you're a troll and not actually retarded.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 09 Oct 2018 00:03:02 No.103443530 Report

Quoted By: >>103443566

>>103443399
Princess Carolyn only does feminist shit if it makes her money

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 09 Oct 2018 00:03:44 No.103443538 Report

Quoted By:

>>103443477
Not that guy, but we share similar opinions. Diane is the straightman. I thought it was PB and Todd because the writers seem to enjoy them the most, but I guess I misunderstood what you meant by pet.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 09 Oct 2018 00:05:26 No.103443566 Report

Quoted By: >>103444071

>>103443530
Not really, when they banned guns and Diane makes that crack about "I thought they wouldn't hate women more than they love guns" PC was there to say "no" with a condescending tone.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 09 Oct 2018 00:05:43 No.103443573 Report

Quoted By: >>103443736 >>103443842

>>103443502
Again you are grasping at the some grammar inaccuracy (not even error). You are sad to me but I can guarantee that to them, the people that push those ideology into articles, you are less than cattle. And maybe they aren't wrong, they spell it out what you should think and you still defend them.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 09 Oct 2018 00:12:00 No.103443692 Report

Quoted By:

>>103440088
Triple dubs confirm, that actually fits suprisingly well.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 09 Oct 2018 00:14:09 No.103443736 Report

Quoted By: >>103443842 >>103443961

>>103443573

He unironically thinks James Rolfe is sexist for making a video telling his fans that he won't see Ghostbusters 2016 because of the delays, dissapointments and how the trailer looked off. Do you honestly think he'll admit those journalists are at fault? SJWs won't admit their mistakes, and neither will Anti SJWs. They just want to win their culture war, no matter the cost. Hell, Devin Faraci was defended because of his "contribution to feminism" DESPITE being a sexual abuser.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 09 Oct 2018 00:20:23 No.103443842 Report

Quoted By: >>103443918

>>103443573
Correcting you isn't a defense of anything. If someone calls Trump a nazi and tell them he's not a nazi, I'm not defending Trump, I'm defending reason.

>>103443736
I don't think James Rolfe is sexist. Where did I even imply that?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 09 Oct 2018 00:23:33 No.103443887 Report

Quoted By:

>>103440088
I like this

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 09 Oct 2018 00:23:57 No.103443898 Report

Quoted By: >>103443945 >>103443973 >>103443994 >>103444117

>>103423556
A "strong female character" possesses those traits, that were she a male, would be praised to the highest degree. Instead, she's usually referred to as "pushy", "bossy", a "bitch", or a "cunt".

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 09 Oct 2018 00:24:45 No.103443918 Report

Quoted By: >>103443946 >>103443998

>>103443842
Correcting me is a distraction from the fact you don't have arguments or proof, just like namedropping "nazi" and "Trump" thinking I'm gonna take that obvious bait. You are defending shills, no good journalists.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 09 Oct 2018 00:26:04 No.103443936 Report

Quoted By:

>>103423916
Oh, just don't.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 09 Oct 2018 00:26:25 No.103443945 Report

Quoted By:

>>103443898
Why women automatically assume men like assholes?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 09 Oct 2018 00:26:27 No.103443946 Report

Quoted By:

>>103443918
>centrist has no helpful feedback to offer, just his inflated and loud ego
Color me surprised.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 09 Oct 2018 00:27:10 No.103443957 Report

Quoted By:

>>103440367
jesus of fucking christland

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 09 Oct 2018 00:27:21 No.103443961 Report

Quoted By:

>>103443736

Forgit to add, Devin Faraci was a journalist/movie critic who practically STARTED the crusade agaisnt James Rolfe because he made that video. Pratically making James the face of sexism. Now try and tell me these guys aren't out to get you if you don't watch their movies?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 09 Oct 2018 00:28:11 No.103443973 Report

Quoted By:

>>103443898
Booooo. Get better material.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 09 Oct 2018 00:29:47 No.103443994 Report

Quoted By: >>103444020

>>103443898
Feminists are always the first to bitch about "toxic masculinity", then throw praise when a woman acts in the same toxicly masculine they denouce when a man does it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 09 Oct 2018 00:30:14 No.103443998 Report

Quoted By: >>103444036

>>103443918
I proved that they aren't telling people "like this or you're sexist" and provided proof where they say the opposite and it isn't good enough for you. I'm even telling you that they're bad and using misleading headline intentionally.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 09 Oct 2018 00:31:40 No.103444020 Report

Quoted By: >>103444060

>>103443994
Examples of praise?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 09 Oct 2018 00:32:44 No.103444036 Report

Quoted By: >>103444133

>>103443998
You only proved the word "literally" was misused.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 09 Oct 2018 00:34:18 No.103444060 Report

Quoted By: >>103444152

>>103444020
The Captain Marvel movie.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 09 Oct 2018 00:34:28 No.103444065 Report

Quoted By:

>>103423556
draw a man
dye his hair
draw boobs
make him wear girl clothes

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 09 Oct 2018 00:34:35 No.103444070 Report

Quoted By:

>>103439903
>>103439932
The vast majority of people in the industry have never heard of the word, which didn't even exist in the days of Evangelion. Anime's American breakthrough was also still a few years away from starting.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 09 Oct 2018 00:34:47 No.103444071 Report

Quoted By:

>>103443566
PC acknowledges shit's tough for women but she literally wants Vance Waggoner to be on Philbert without issue until he backs out of the contract

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 09 Oct 2018 00:37:53 No.103444117 Report

Quoted By: >>103444179 >>103444204

>>103443898
This. There really is something that goes off in some men's brains, mine included, that makes women seem bitchy when the same behavior from a man is authoritative and appropriate. It's worse in my openly sexist who complains when our female manager tells us to do shit or how he hated Hillary for "screaming her lungs out" about pepe. I mean yeah, she fucking sucks, but hate her for things she actually did.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 09 Oct 2018 00:39:02 No.103444133 Report

Quoted By: >>103444193

>>103444036
... and that they say "disliking this movie doesn't make you sexist".

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 09 Oct 2018 00:40:03 No.103444152 Report

Quoted By:

>>103444060
What toxic masculinity is in it? What did they say about it?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 09 Oct 2018 00:41:48 No.103444179 Report

Quoted By:

>>103444117
Your female boss didn't like Hillary?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 09 Oct 2018 00:41:50 No.103444180 Report

Quoted By: >>103444219

>>103423556
>Make female character.
>Make her strong willed.
>Make her feminine.
>Make her objectively beautiful and cute.
There, done.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 09 Oct 2018 00:42:35 No.103444193 Report

Quoted By: >>103444335

>>103444133
All of those articles? No they don't. I'm not sure even one actually say that, can you post the source?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 09 Oct 2018 00:43:09 No.103444204 Report

Quoted By: >>103444224

>>103444117

Therr was a study that changes Trump and Hillary's gender. The only thing they kept was their personalities.

The result? Male Hillary's even more hated while people liked Fem Trump more.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 09 Oct 2018 00:43:39 No.103444219 Report

Quoted By: >>103444361

>>103444180
>Make her objectively beautiful and cute
OVER THE FUCKING LINE CIS MALE SCUM

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 09 Oct 2018 00:43:52 No.103444224 Report

Quoted By: >>103444295 >>103444302

>>103444204
source or bullshit

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 09 Oct 2018 00:47:49 No.103444295 Report

Quoted By:

>>103444224

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jan/29/clinton-trump-gender-swap-play-her-opponent

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 09 Oct 2018 00:48:09 No.103444299 Report

Quoted By:

>>103435196
>the east has a hat labelled " the 6 generic female character stereotypes"
Archetypes are a normal part of fiction. People single out Japan because their archetypes are different from ours and stand out more. The West also places most of the emphasis on originality rather than quality and assumes this is normal.

>weebs always forget that 90% of Eastern Co is shovelled out shlock just like the West. we only hear about the rare work that's worth coming our way
People hear about shows like One Punch Man and Attack on Titan because they're on Toonami and because they are easily digestible by the average person who doesn't really watch anime, not because they are the rare few anime that are any good. Everyone goes around obsessively repeating this line about 90% of anime being bad, but have never actually left their Toonami safe space. There was for example a very high quality shows last season called ShoujoKageki Revue Starlight, but how many people have even heard of it? It's been completed only 5,700 times on MAL.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 09 Oct 2018 00:48:20 No.103444302 Report

Quoted By: >>103444380

>>103444224
Why do people have so little trust for each other?
https://www.nyu.edu/about/news-publications/news/2017/march/trump-clinton-debates-gender-reversal.html

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 09 Oct 2018 00:49:45 No.103444335 Report

Quoted By: >>103444555

>>103444193
You already did. Read under "Devin Faraci Absolutely Nailed the Ghostbusters Bullshit" and "The Soft Sexism of Hating on Ghostbusters".
>>103441103

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 09 Oct 2018 00:50:49 No.103444361 Report

Quoted By:

>>103444219
No one wants to read stories about obese and manly landwhales. They want cute girls doing cute things, or being heroes.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 09 Oct 2018 00:51:59 No.103444380 Report

Quoted By: >>103444417

>>103444302
Because even the article is critical of the study.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 09 Oct 2018 00:53:57 No.103444417 Report

Quoted By: >>103444477

>>103444380
>article is critical of the study after it doesn't give the desired result

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 09 Oct 2018 00:56:38 No.103444477 Report

Quoted By:

>>103444417
She's walking around and being charismatic and he's standing their stiff and poorly rehearsed. Then they have a popularity contest.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 09 Oct 2018 01:00:47 No.103444555 Report

Quoted By: >>103444809

>>103444335
The Devin Faraci backpedal from sexist accusation only to present an even worse grotesque image of the youtuber as some raging extremist. Which if you watched the boycott video know is false since if anything he was calm and composed.
The second does call the boycott sexist in a rhetorical form: "You don't have to be sexist to dislike this movie... BUT IT HELPS!"
Do you want to bring your other sources instead of picking from that image?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 09 Oct 2018 01:01:34 No.103444566 Report

Quoted By:

>>103440367
It's going to get really hard not to slap a bitch, if I hear this sentence irl.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 09 Oct 2018 01:03:08 No.103444596 Report

Quoted By: >>103444739

>>103442546
That's what it was like until somebody noticed they tended to be white and male

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 09 Oct 2018 01:10:23 No.103444715 Report

Quoted By: >>103445367

>>103423556
>male character is sitting in a cafeteria eating lunch
>in the distance a battle cry can be heard
>before the male character can react, a STRONG FEMALE CHARACTER snacks his food off the table and all over his lap
>while the male character begins the lengthy process of tripping over his own feet, the STRONG FEMALE CHARACTER executes a triple axel spin whole wearing a blindfold and firing a machine gun into a pinata with the word "patriarchy" painted on it
>The male character lands in a pile of his own dirty diapers and starts scrambling to get out while fighting back tears
>Meanwhile, the STRONG FEMALE CHARACTER vanquishes evil with a bitch slap, flicks her hair and says "hey boys" to no one in particular
>The male characters early adult onset dementia kicks in, rendering him clueless as he poos himself
>Rolling her eyes, STRONG FEMALE CHARACTER helps the male character to his feet but immediately pushes him away, lest she be seen as nurturing or empathetic.
>The male character burbles something which sounds akin to "dumb girl I could have done that myself you stupid vagina I hate and fear your strong independence"
>The STRONG FEMALE CHARACTER doesn't need to prove herself to this gibbering idiot, but she does anyway with a sick ollie and then she gives an hour long speech on why she doesn't even care what he thinks
>The male character, blown away by her eloquence, begrudgingly admits that girls are pretty cool too whole trying not to explode from the sheer pain of doing so
>STRONG FEMALE CHARACTER pushes the male character back into his diapers to assert dominance and winks at the audience
>"You're perfect in every way and never let anyone tell you any different."

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 09 Oct 2018 01:12:02 No.103444739 Report

Quoted By: >>103444828

>>103444596
What happens when someone starts noticing that Hollywood directors are mostly Jewish?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 09 Oct 2018 01:16:07 No.103444809 Report

Quoted By: >>103444857 >>103444975 >>103444998

>>103444555
Nice double sequential trips!

But the first isn't a backpedal because they had only pedaled in your mind with the narrative that you bring into reading the article. "You don't have to be sexist to dislike this movie, but it helps!" is pointing out the obvious. Is it mind blowing that racists hate Black Panther? That athiests hate God's Not Dead? Certain things reflexively draw ire and it isn't political to state the obvious.

Here's one from Huffpost's "Is Hating the Ghostbusters Trailer Sexist?"

>But most people railing against the trailers deny it has anything to do with gender. And maybe it doesn’t. But it’s odd that a movie trailer that isn’t especially unfunny would become the most disliked YouTube trailer of all time. Of course, people care more because it’s a remake of a classic movie, but plenty of great movies have been the basis of botched remakes, and none registered even close to Ghostbusters on the Richter Outrage Scale.

Wondering why it is remarkably hated isn't saying disliking it makes you sexist.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 09 Oct 2018 01:17:09 No.103444828 Report

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>>103444739
We're not allowed to point that out anon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 09 Oct 2018 01:18:55 No.103444857 Report

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>>103444809

Then explain why James Rolfe was attacked by every feminist under the sun after reading said articles?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 09 Oct 2018 01:20:43 No.103444885 Report

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Daily reminder that Devin Faraci got his just desserts for his crusade. Defend him all you want for his attack on James. He lost.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 09 Oct 2018 01:22:46 No.103444918 Report

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>>103423556
Came here to make sure this was posted: >>103427619

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 09 Oct 2018 01:24:09 No.103444945 Report

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>>103436222

The implication is that the stuff he listed is stupid no matter what excuses you tack on it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 09 Oct 2018 01:26:02 No.103444975 Report

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>>103444809
Do you honestly reading comprehensions? The paragraph you just posted goes from a rhetorical questions and the conclusion the conclusion that is in fact a case of sexism.

The Faraci one as I said detaches itself from the sexism narrative but comes forward with an even worse attack. I want to remind you that that image is a collage about all the moves to push the narrative that if you don't watch this you're a bad person as it was posted in response to this>>103441025 The sexism angle is only one facet of a coordinated smear campaign.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 09 Oct 2018 01:27:30 No.103444998 Report

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>>103444809
>>103444809
Do you honestly reading comprehensions? The paragraph you just posted goes from a rhetorical questions to the conclusion that is in fact a case of sexism.

The Faraci one as I said detaches itself from the sexism narrative but comes forward with an even worse attack. I want to remind you that that image is a collage about all the moves to push the narrative that if you don't watch this you're a bad person as it was posted in response to this>>103441025 (You) The sexism angle is only one facet of a coordinated smear campaign.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 09 Oct 2018 01:29:26 No.103445029 Report

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>>103444857
That's not every feminist, it was twitter idiots looking for some social justice to warrior and articles meant for idiots to wonder what could possibly be different about this movie that made him announce his action against the movie and inflammatory smear pieces that bring in clicks. Some pop culture twitter feminists and people who were just looking to shit on someone for being "sexist" were being shitty while others had no fucking idea who this guy was and others still just didn't care. Where the actual feminist ideals begin and the cynical clickbait farmer end, there's no telling, but they want to provoke his fans to argue in the comments section. That's their bread and butter.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 09 Oct 2018 01:33:59 No.103445106 Report

Quoted By: >>103445227 >>103445432

Idk. It's a feminist gripe so it's for feminists to explicitly define it, and it'd certainly be helpful if they'd actually write some themselves or, at the very least, be able to give concrete examples that satisfy their demands. So tired of these fat whiny burdens.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 09 Oct 2018 01:40:50 No.103445227 Report

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>>103445106
>Idk. It's a feminist gripe so it's for feminists to explicitly define it, and it'd certainly be helpful if they'd actually write some themselves or, at the very least, be able to give concrete examples that satisfy their demands.

But if they did that, they'd run the risk of having to stop complaining one day and you know they can't let that happen. That's why the criteria has to be kept vague enough that nothing ever really qualifies.

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Anonymous Tue 09 Oct 2018 01:48:14 No.103445367 Report

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>>103444715

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Anonymous Tue 09 Oct 2018 01:49:24 No.103445389 Report

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>>103444998
There's no question in that paragraph. Talk about reading comprehension. And it doesn't conclude it's all sexism, just postulates that maybe it's a factor that made it the most hated trailer of all time. Same thing about the Faraci article: Asking what makes this trailer so hated isn't calling everyone sexist. I hated the change because it was a classic "guy movie" that isn't the same with an all female cast. I'll admit that it isn't marketed at me so I don't like that. This isn't what they're writing articles about as Faraci calls out those who want to die on this hill and are getting angry.

The narrative that these push is closer to "make this movie a success to trigger manbabies" and "both sides click here to participate in culture war".

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 09 Oct 2018 01:51:40 No.103445432 Report

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>>103445106
>>103445227
There's a Wikipedia article with sources and you're in a thread where people are telling you what it is. I don't think there's some president of feminism that can give you a state of the uterous address to clear up what a strong female character is if that's what you're looking for.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 09 Oct 2018 01:55:51 No.103445491 Report

Quoted By: >>103445631 >>103445804

>>103445389
Wait you really are changing your position now. You are now admit that there are articles calling the people who don't want to watch the movie sexist. And your new position is to demonstrate that the articles are right and those people are in fact sexist and generally bad. I don't need to respond to that, I don't care.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 09 Oct 2018 02:03:45 No.103445631 Report

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>>103445491
What position am I changing? Did you think because I point out bullshit misinformstion and misinterpretation of ideas drawn from clickbait headlines that not only was I defending the clickbait (I wasn't), I like the movie (I don't).

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 09 Oct 2018 02:08:11 No.103445725 Report

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>>103445029

It warms my heart that the Ringleader behind the attacks at least got hit by sexual assault accusations that he himself didn't defend. It seems that the only way to diffuse an angry hate campaign is with ANOTHER hate campaign.

Almost reminds me of what happened to Kate Leith when she started a hate campaign the guy who made that webcomic starring the Justice League as kids. It only ended when she got into hot water regarding another issue altogether

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 09 Oct 2018 02:09:13 No.103445748 Report

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>>103423653
Now anon, we know this is not what comic book companies actually believe. This is a logical position and therefore has absolutely no place in any capitalist industry. Now take your sassy black racelift and go.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 09 Oct 2018 02:12:12 No.103445804 Report

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>>103445491
>And it doesn't conclude it's all sexism

>I'll admit that it isn't marketed at me so I don't like that. This isn't what they're writing articles about as Faraci calls out those who want to die on this hill and are getting angry.
I'm not calling myself sexist and I'm displaying why I agree with them that disliking it doesn't make you sexist. It's still garbage "journalism".

a stupid modern writer

a stupid modern writer Tue 09 Oct 2018 02:16:14 No.103445871 Report

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>>103423556
it means being uncomfortable with femininity and adopting a "masculine" style.
wait a second...

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